Celebrities a revolutionary class?

[Thanatos]

Though rich and famous, they are wage slaves. So they may know the frustration of workers. And with their popularity, they can easily influence the masses.:)

In this context, is it fair to see them as a revolutionary class --- rather unique when compared with other classes?

[Anti-Traditional]

Though rich and famous, they are wage slaves. So they may know the frustration of workers. And with their popularity, they can easily influence the masses.:)

In this context, is it fair to see them as a revolutionary class --- rather unique when compared with other classes?

Most celebrities will probably own a bit of capital on the side (properties, clothing brands etc...). Even those who are only wage-slaves, if they're amassing millions and millions every year, I think a bit of common sense is necessary. They don't really have a material interest in the overthrow of Capitalism, but many might well join us on moral grounds such as Russell Brand.

[Criminalize Heterosexuality]

Brand "joined us"? Did he drop his lowest-common-denominator populism and liberalism while I wasn't looking, or...?

Celebrities, even those who do not own capital, are remunerated far above the labor value of their work; this superremuneration depends on the continuation of the capitalist system. The dictatorship of the proletariat would threaten highly-paid entertainers materially; their objective interest is on the side of the bourgeoisie. So, no, they aren't a revolutionary layer, let alone a class.

[cobrawolf_meiji]

Celebrities are as revolutionary as a sheep, as in many are not in the movement. Many may claim to be revolutionary, but that is to make themselves look good.

[Thanatos]

I meant left-leaning celebrities like Sean Penn, Brad Pitt, Clooney etc. They may have the money, that's for sure, but it's not the same as being a capitalist and deriving your surplus from the exploitation of workers.

[tachosomoza]

I meant left-leaning celebrities like Sean Penn, Brad Pitt, Clooney etc.

Those are feel good liberals and bourgeois socialists at best. They're not revolutionaries.

[BIXX]

I meant left-leaning celebrities like Sean Penn, Brad Pitt, Clooney etc. They may have the money, that's for sure, but it's not the same as being a capitalist and deriving your surplus from the exploitation of workers.


You know he's a huge piece of shit right?



Those are feel good liberals and bourgeois socialists at best. They're not revolutionaries.


And in the case of Sean Penn, wife beater at worst.

[RedPanda55]

No. The only time they feel like revolting is when they're being carted to jail by cops because of something stupid like drunk-driving. They might talk about politics and whatnot, they might be liberals at their best, but left-wing revolutionaries? Not even close. If we had a revolution today, these assholes would lose their fortunes because they depend on capitalism. They are capitalists, though they don't like to admit it. So no. They're not revolutionaries and should never be considered revolutionaries. They're just hypocritical douchebags and idiots trying to look smarter than they really are.

[PhoenixAsh]

Are you talking about those steadfast revolutionaries like Schwarzenegger, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Gloria Estefan, Norris, Eastwood, Willis? I mean...yeah...I can tots see that.

Or were you talking about those Obama supporters?

[RedHal]

I meant left-leaning celebrities like Sean Penn, Brad Pitt, Clooney etc. They may have the money, that's for sure, but it's not the same as being a capitalist and deriving your surplus from the exploitation of workers.

Clooney is the poster boy for Liberal Humanitarian Imperialism

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

celebrities are more like commodities than an actual social class. their existence as avatars make them more cultural commodities in the ideological state apparatus than a socio-economic class, given that they are merely arbitrary, superficial holograms which are the creation of a whole celebrity industry.

they are basically the creations of bourgeois institutions like the PR industry, marketing, production companies, cosmetic surgery companies, the fashion industry and whatever other groups are involved in the creation of these phantoms.

if anything, they are about as useful to revolution as any given bourgeois politician.

[synthesis]

I actually think that some (highly paid) professional sports players could be considered proletarian. They're not remunerated above the value of their labor if they're one of a tiny group of laborers who create huge profits for the actual owners of the enterprise. If someone gets paid a couple million dollars for a five-year contract - and will often suffer debilitating injuries in those five years that will make them unsuitable for other forms of work - but generates ten times that in ticket fares and advertising revenue, they're being exploited, just not to the extent that we should really give a shit about them.

I also think - not aimed at anyone in this thread, just a general observation - you should be suspicious of people who talk a lot about how sports players, actors and musicians are "overpaid." The subtext is that arts and athletics are overvalued in our society, as opposed to, say, owning a company that benefits from arts and athletics.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Clooney may as well be on NATO's payroll at this point. I've always wondered if people really fell for the shit he pushes, guess so

[adipocere]

Clooney may as well be on NATO's payroll at this point. I've always wondered if people really fell for the shit he pushes, guess so

Brad Pitt as well. He was busted smuggling guns (https://www.google.com/search?q=brad+pitt+guns+confiscated&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb) through his production company on the world war z set. Of course he blamed it on the prop guy - nevermind the storage unit filled with machine guns, sniper rifles and buckets of grenades. My guess is that they were headed for Syria.

And we have Angelina "G8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=brad+pitt+guns+confiscated&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#channel=sb&q=angelina+jolie+g8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official)" Jolie who goes around the third world like a fairy tale witch, snatching children for her human zoo.

[tachosomoza]

And we have Angelina "G8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=brad+pitt+guns+confiscated&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#channel=sb&q=angelina+jolie+g8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official)" Jolie who goes around the third world like a fairy tale witch, snatching children for her human zoo.

Don't you know? If we adopt the poor starving colored chirn, racism gone!

[Prometeo liberado]

I meant left-leaning celebrities like Sean Penn, Brad Pitt, Clooney etc. They may have the money, that's for sure, but it's not the same as being a capitalist and deriving your surplus from the exploitation of workers.

:laugh:Oh my. Petit-bourgeois at best. They are independent contractors who are often an entire industry unto themselves.
There is a clear red, bright red line separating us and them. Actually it's not a line at all, it's a bright red velvet rope. And they only allow us to watch. Sound like a comrade to you?