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boiler
22nd February 2014, 01:04
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Part 1: General Programme

The Páirtí Poblachtach Dearg bases its guiding ideological principles on Socialist Republicanism and Revolutionary Marxism.
P.P.D's immediate aim is to unite all anti-imperialist and socialist forces in a unitedfront against all imperialist influence in Ireland with the definitive goals of establishing national liberation and creating a revolutionary worker's state.

P.P.D also holds high, proletarian internationalism. We support and look to establish unity with all oppressed people around the globe who are struggling to establish a communist society. Importantly, we do not determine our enemy based on their religion or nationality; we determine our enemies on the basis of their wealth, greed and exploitation of the working class.
The Socialism we propose includes everyone and is not a ruled by a tiny clique of people. It is a system under which the State will provide free healthcare and free education. In addition, everyone has a right to a home; and we call for all empty houses to be put under state control and given to the people who need them. Everyone also has a right to work and if the State cannot provide a job, then it should make sure the unemployed have a decent living.

Moreover, we believe all natural resources, major industries and banks should be nationalized and democratically controlled by the people. But such progress cannot occur under the present system because the ruling class uses the state as a weapon to keep power. A good example of this is the way the Free State government betrayed the people to support the banks, engaging in savage budget cuts, selling state-owned resources and property, and selling off our natural resources.

Do not be deceived into thinking these were altruistic measures designed to help the people get through the recession. Quite the opposite: these methods were devised to ensure that the mistakes and greed of the ruling class would be paid for with the blood and the toil of the people.

Likewise, do not be deceived into thinking that voting in a "more fairer government" will alleviate the problems of the working class. Such a concept is not possible as long as we are under parliamentary bodies comprised with members of the ruling class. To understand this, one only has to look at the "Celtic Tiger" years: There was plenty of wealth in the state. However, instead of putting the wealth towards creating a better healthcare system or providing a better social-housing scheme for the people, the government wasted a lot of the collateral, pumping it into projects that failed.

In essence, we believe that for the betterment of the people of Ireland, as well as internationally, changes cannot occur through a reformist route. There is no reforming the capitalist system because it is inherently corrupt and fixed in such a way that a tiny percentage stand above society, reaping the benefits from the country’s natural resources and basking in the wealth that is created from the labor of the worker.

Therefore, the only solution is to create a new, all-inclusive system under which every single person benefits and reaps the rewards of production and where everyone who so desires can take part in the government. Ultimately, the workers have to take over the means of production and exchange so they can be run democratically. This in turn, will bring an end to the ruling class and its system of exploitation and oppression.

Part 2: The Party and Objectives

1. Name: Páirtí Poblachtach Dearg

2. Ideology: Socialist Republicanism and Revolutionary Marxism

3. Aims and Objectives: The P.P.D aims to establish an anti-imperialist united front. Our objectives are to a) help the people overthrow capitalism and imperialist influence within the Free State government and aid with the struggle for national liberation against British imperialism in the occupied six counties.

4. Ultimate Goals: The P.P.D strives to establish a 32-County Democratic Socialist Republic as well as a worldwide communist system.

5. Support: The Party will promote proletarian internationalism and work to unite Marxist forces internationally.

Part 3: Duties and rights of members

1. Members must study Party documents and material.

2. Members shall study and apply Marxism in practice.

3. Members shall defend and try to further develop the ideological and political basis of the Party.

4. Members must follow Party line, programme, polices, directives and decisions.

5. Everybody must be ready to participate and play a role in the class struggle; and they must be willing to work with other groups and people.

6. Everybody must seek to establish a united front with all anti-imperialist and revolutionary forces in Ireland.

7. Members will refrain from speaking slanderously against other Party members as well as against members of other solidarity groups.

8. Each member must subordinate his/her personal interests to the Party and the people. Members must fight for the interests of the people.

9. All members must fight relentlessly with a proletarian class outlook against discrimination based on gender, nationality, religion, race and sexuality.

10. Every member has the right to send criticism against any other Party member.

11. Every member has the right to partake in Party discussions and contribute; everyone has an equal say.

12. Every member has the right to stand for election in any of the Party positions.

13. Every member has both the right to vote members into positions and the right to recall.

14. Every member voted into a position can be recalled if Party members collectively see the need to do so.

crazyirish93
22nd February 2014, 01:41
While the party's objectives manifesto is good i cant help but think "Great another party to fragment the already small leftist scene here."

boiler
22nd February 2014, 01:48
While the party's objectives manifesto is good i cant help but think "Great another party to fragment the already small leftist scene here."

I understand completely what your saying. The people involved had the same discussing. They are looking to unite the fragmented left. They see the only way for the left to actually achieve anything and have some type of impact is by uniting.

crazyirish93
22nd February 2014, 02:15
Well i wish them luck hope they get a website or newsletter up.

La Guaneña
22nd February 2014, 03:58
Is the creation of the party a front between relevant existing organizations? Because that is what the text lead me to believe.

boiler
22nd February 2014, 12:36
Is the creation of the party a front between relevant existing organizations? Because that is what the text lead me to believe.

In sort the answer is no it is not a front between relevant existing organizations. We have some members that are also members of other groups. Our aim is to use our Party to bring the other groups together, unite them for the same struggle. We hope to create a Congress where ever group can take part and still have their own structures.

Brutus
22nd February 2014, 13:03
The first section of your manifesto seems a tad jumpy- i.e. it could 'flow' better.

Good luck. Is there any way non-Irish people could help this new initiative (by writing, distributing, etc)?

boiler
22nd February 2014, 13:38
Thank you. We already have number of people internationally that help us and contribute.

The Lizard King
22nd February 2014, 14:47
It is a system under which the State will provide free healthcare and free education. In addition, everyone has a right to a home; and we call for all empty houses to be put under state control and given to the people who need them. Everyone also has a right to work and if the State cannot provide a job, then it should make sure the unemployed have a decent living.

What happened to the withering away of the state and the abolishment of money?

Anti-Traditional
22nd February 2014, 15:21
Well that's all the Irish working class need, another party to divert them down the road of nationalism.

boiler
22nd February 2014, 16:35
What happened to the withering away of the state and the abolishment of money?

There will be more added in the future. But for now it was voted by Party members to just keep the constitution as basic as possible for people understand.

Brutus
22nd February 2014, 16:43
You should probably mention the working class seizing political power, just so people don't think you're run of the mill social democrats.

Leftsolidarity
22nd February 2014, 16:48
Well that's all the Irish working class need, another party to divert them down the road of nationalism.

Coming from someone in England it sure shows the arrogance and true nationalism from the oppressor nation against the oppressed who seek to destroy that relationship. How about you, in England, don't tell those in Ireland to not fight the English bosses and soldiers? You are the best friend of those in power.

boiler
22nd February 2014, 16:49
Also, do you have a site or a blog perhaps?

We hope to have a site up and running soon. But we have two facebook pages.

Cumann Seain Mhic Eachaidh. This is or prisoners department

https://www.facebook.com/sean.maceachaidh.5?fref=ts

Comhairle Uladh (Pairtí Poblachtach Dearg). This our branch in Ulster

https://www.facebook.com/cumannsean.maceachaidh?fref=ts

Devrim
22nd February 2014, 16:56
Coming from someone in England it sure shows the arrogance and true nationalism from the oppressor nation against the oppressed who seek to destroy that relationship. How about you, in England, don't tell those in Ireland to not fight the English bosses and soldiers? You are the best friend of those in power.

I don't come from England and I hold exactly the same opinion.

Devrim

boiler
22nd February 2014, 16:59
You should probably mention the working class seizing political power, just so people don't think you're run of the mill social democrats.

Yes this is a very good point, we will have to make this point more clear. There is one part where we tried to say this:

".... the only solution is to create a new, all-inclusive system under which every single person benefits and reaps the rewards of production and where everyone who so desires can take part in the government. Ultimately, the workers have to take over the means of production and exchange so they can be run democratically."

Brutus
22nd February 2014, 17:06
Coming from someone in England it sure shows the arrogance and true nationalism from the oppressor nation against the oppressed who seek to destroy that relationship. How about you, in England, don't tell those in Ireland to not fight the English bosses and soldiers? You are the best friend of those in power.

Or, alternatively, he thinks all bosses should be fought regardless of nationality and that English bosses being swapped for Irish bosses wouldn't really change anything.

boiler
22nd February 2014, 17:14
Well that's all the Irish working class need, another party to divert them down the road of nationalism.

There is a difference between nationalism and Republican Socialism. Republican Socialism has an internationalist outlook and it wants to achieve social and economic liberation for every single person in Ireland regardless of religion or back ground or what ever.

Just about 90% of Republican Socialists are working class people. And they have more support from the working class than any of the other socialist groups.

Anti-Traditional
23rd February 2014, 03:50
Coming from someone in England it sure shows the arrogance and true nationalism from the oppressor nation against the oppressed who seek to destroy that relationship. How about you, in England, don't tell those in Ireland to not fight the English bosses and soldiers? You are the best friend of those in power.

As it happens I'm Irish. I have immediate family members who were very actively involved in solidarity movements for the hunger strikers in the 80's. You are the best friend of the Irish Capitalists.

Socialism is a worldwide society without borders or money. To support so-called 'Republican Socialism' is to encourage the Irish working class to risk their lives to establish State Capitalism.

Even if we accept this group's version of socialism and they succeeded, there would be a Protestant version of the IRA, seeking to split the six counties from the evil imperialists in Dublin.

Danielle Ni Dhighe
23rd February 2014, 04:01
Coming from someone in England
Actually, I think it has more to do with tendency than geography in this case. Left Communists oppose all forms of nationalism, even progressive ones.

Danielle Ni Dhighe
23rd February 2014, 04:08
While the party's objectives manifesto is good i cant help but think "Great another party to fragment the already small leftist scene here."
Or think of it as another voice on the Left. As long as it's not sectarian toward other groupings, I don't see a problem.

Devrim
23rd February 2014, 09:21
Left Communists oppose all forms of nationalism, even progressive ones.

or to be more exact don't think that any form of nationalism is progressive.

Devrim

robbo203
23rd February 2014, 10:13
Spot the contradiction:

aid with the struggle for national liberation against British imperialism in the occupied six counties.

and

The Party will promote proletarian internationalism

This is just another run of the mill bourgeois-nationalist outfit posing as "socialist". Its conception of "socialism" is that of state run capitalism with a few pious and utopian platitudes thrown in as electoral bait

"The Socialism we propose includes everyone and is not a ruled by a tiny clique of people. It is a system under which the State will provide free healthcare and free education. In addition, everyone has a right to a home; and we call for all empty houses to be put under state control and given to the people who need them. Everyone also has a right to work and if the State cannot provide a job, then it should make sure the unemployed have a decent living"

As if a state cannot but be managed by a "tiny clique"...

It claims to be "Marxist" yet no Marxist would deny that the very existence of a state implies the existence of classes and hence the fact of an exploiting class (the capitalists) exploiting the exploited class (the workers). By pivoting its whole programme on a statist agenda, this group is inadvertently promoting capitalism - state capitalism - as the answer to the problems that afflict workers. It is offering a dead end "solution" that has histrocially proven to be a failure (the Soviet Union et al) and anti working class to its rotten core to boot (the Soviet Union et al)

Whatever else it is, this group has nothing to do with socialism and, again, no "Marxist" would consider socialism to be in any way compatible with the existence of a state and hence classes

I wouldnt touch it with a bargepole frankly...

boiler
23rd February 2014, 13:01
Spot the contradiction:

aid with the struggle for national liberation against British imperialism in the occupied six counties.

and

The Party will promote proletarian internationalism

This is just another run of the mill bourgeois-nationalist outfit posing as "socialist". Its conception of "socialism" is that of state run capitalism with a few pious and utopian platitudes thrown in as electoral bait

"The Socialism we propose includes everyone and is not a ruled by a tiny clique of people. It is a system under which the State will provide free healthcare and free education. In addition, everyone has a right to a home; and we call for all empty houses to be put under state control and given to the people who need them. Everyone also has a right to work and if the State cannot provide a job, then it should make sure the unemployed have a decent living"

As if a state cannot but be managed by a "tiny clique"...

It claims to be "Marxist" yet no Marxist would deny that the very existence of a state implies the existence of classes and hence the fact of an exploiting class (the capitalists) exploiting the exploited class (the workers). By pivoting its whole programme on a statist agenda, this group is inadvertently promoting capitalism - state capitalism - as the answer to the problems that afflict workers. It is offering a dead end "solution" that has histrocially proven to be a failure (the Soviet Union et al) and anti working class to its rotten core to boot (the Soviet Union et al)

Whatever else it is, this group has nothing to do with socialism and, again, no "Marxist" would consider socialism to be in any way compatible with the existence of a state and hence classes

I wouldnt touch it with a bargepole frankly...



I cant see how struggling to get rid of British imperialism is a contradiction to promoting proletarian internationalism.

We also want rid of all imperialism.

I assure you we are socialist. Our membership is made up of a few different Marxist tendency's. And we have not added in anything for electoral bait. We intend to add the withering away of the state and more in the future to our constitution.

We are not promoting state capitalism and we seek to establish the dictatorship of the proletariat with the workings class and a untied front of partys, movements, groups,etc. We want the workers to be in power and not an exploiting class as you say.