parapsychology

[mia wallace]

i'd like to know what do u think about parapsyhology? do u believe there r really things like telepathy, psyhokinetics and so, or do u think it is all rubbish? :huh:

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Well from a philosophical point of view there is too many flaws for it to ever be accepted.

Although never ignorant enough to deny the possibility of anything I would disregard it until you get some proof.

[Hegemonicretribution]

I have read about peoples that retain some of the above mentioned abilities, and am therefore inclined to believe it is possible. I would however say that if we do not all have the abilities it is because of centuries of redundancy.

I would however say that empathy is an abillity similar to those mentioned. Perhaps it is a western attempt at using this skill.

[Umoja]

I believe in lucid dreaming, infact believe isn't the right word. I've had two lucid dreams. The issue of Out-of-body experiences (Astral Projection), I'm slightly lukewarm too. I suspect I may have done it while younger, and a large amount of people claim it's possible with practice. Do I believe in an "astral plane"? I've never projected there, so I can't say.

[LSD]

Honestly, I severly doubt any of it exists.

It just seems to appealing and groundless at the same time.

Sort of like religion.


And don't you think that if there was a real psychic/telakenetic/whatever out there, he/she'd of proved it by now. I mean within a capitalist society, you could make a shit load of money showing that sort of stuff off (plus if you were the first to prove it you'd be in the history books, immortality and all that....)

[dannie]

don't know if this has anything to do with it but i think one can make changes in his live by manipulating energy with his own energy

but i feel to crappy and tired to explain right now but i will get back to this

[mia wallace]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 09:56 PM
but i feel to crappy and tired to explain right now but i will get back to this
i hope u'll do so :D

i read really a lot about this subject and i really believe it exists. i doubt that all those who clame to have special abilities really have them, but some do. e.g., in the past there were men who said some things which are so damn correct that u can't say it was coincidence (exsample: nostradamus, and he's also probobly the most popular one). if u want i can post some of those things i menchioned before.

[redstar2000]

Many have tried to "prove" that it exists...none have succeeded.

Therefore, there's no such thing.

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[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Many have tried and failed does not mean that something does not exist. Its possibility alone is incentive to keep trying.

If Kant had taken that opinion he would never have tried to give metaphysics a scientific basis thus depriving us of the foundations of modern philosophy.

I believe from a philosophical point of view we cannot dismiss anything though it is highly actually extremely unlikely anything of the sort exists.

[mia wallace]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 06:18 PM
Many have tried to "prove" that it exists...none have succeeded.
that isn't a good reason.
i could also say that many of them tried to prove that communism is not good only in theory, but in practice too and they mostly failed... that doesn't have to prove it can't work or that communism isn't good...

[Umoja]

What about Out of Body Experiences? And do Lucid Dreams have any other meaning besides controlling parts of your subconscious?

[BuyOurEverything]

What about Out of Body Experiences? And do Lucid Dreams have any other meaning besides controlling parts of your subconscious?

I've had quite a few lucid dreams and I have to say, no, there is no other 'meaning' to them.

[dannie]

so, my theory is that, everything contains energy, this energy can either stay in the body, be changed to an other form of energy, (like when you eat, your food is digested en the things like sugar and stuff are being turned into some sort of energy, this energy makes you possible to move forward changing the energy you got from the sugar in "movement" energy), or energy can leave the body, and when energy leaves the body, it will join these huge fields of it, but every energy has a different resonance, a different frequence of vibration.

by learning to control your own energy and sending it out on the right way, time, place, ... i believe it is possible to change things, other energyfields, but i'm not saying you are going to get a lot of money, or a girl/boyfriend at once but these small things in life. it is also possible to change another persons energy. by sending out yours you can be able to change the vibration of the other persons energy, therefore changing it making changes in his life

but this is just a theory based on what i read about wicca, chakras and auras

[Rasta Sapian]

I agree with jannez and his energy concepts!

I feel telethapy playing a much greater role in people's lives in the near future!
we are evolving, and in turn learning to use the earth's energy to communicate in a sub counscious or telepathic form.

If we want it to happen, it will!

[redstar2000]

Many have tried and failed does not mean that something does not exist. Its possibility alone is incentive to keep trying.

Well, go ahead and try then...in your spare time you can do some fresh work on alchemy and astrology.

I find the appeal of this kind of foolishness very difficult to understand. Surely the real world offers an enormous number of complex and fascinating phenomena to investigate.

Why then a preoccupation with palpable nonsense?


If Kant had taken that opinion he would never have tried to give metaphysics a scientific basis thus depriving us of the foundations of modern philosophy.

He may have tried (it's not my field), but he certainly didn't succeed.


I could also say that many of them tried to prove that communism is not good only in theory, but in practice too and they mostly failed... that doesn't have to prove it can't work or that communism isn't good...

I'm unsure exactly what you mean by this. If your point is that communism hasn't been "proven" to work in practice, then it "must" be "impossible"...well, that's a common capitalist opinion.

There's at least some evidence that communism could work...weak though it might be. There's a good deal of very robust evidence that the communist critique of capitalism is probably accurate.

But there's no reliable evidence for parapsychology at all.

If some turns up someday...that would be different. But until that actually happens, it pretty much has to be hokum.

Sorry about that.

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[hazard]

its all true

I have first person accounts of all, well almost every part of parapsychology

be it esp, telekinetics, spirits and so on

or maybe I've just seen one two many episodes of the x-files

or read one two many issues of the x-men

u pick

[honest intellectual]

I'm inclined to believe in telekenisis and telepathy. I'm convinced that the potential of the human mind is enormous, if not infinite. By disciplining and controlling the subconcious, we could probably acheive some physical manifestation of the non-physical power of the mind.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by honest [email protected] 1 2004, 04:26 PM
I'm inclined to believe in telekenisis and telepathy. I'm convinced that the potential of the human mind is enormous, if not infinite. By disciplining and controlling the subconcious, we could probably acheive some physical manifestation of the non-physical power of the mind.
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[mia wallace]

There's at least some evidence that communism could work...weak though it might be.
i could say the same thing for parapsihology as you did for communism. :ph34r:
anyway, this is just a exampe - i'm not against communism! i like communism a lot and consider myself a communist. :hammer:

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

He may have tried (it's not my field), but he certainly didn't succeed.

You have completely ignored my point. My point was that by attempting he came across many truths and the basis for modern philosophy albeit inadvertantly.

So looking for parapsychology of whatever example you want is not a fruitless exercise, who cares if someone tries. You never know, some curiosity can be applied in psychology and philosophy as well as science you know.

Science is not the be all and end all of existence.

Also as stated before the ideal communist state has not yet existed so how do we know it can happen. Can you prove communism will succeed scientifically?

[bubbrubb]

i think it may be possible because we all use a very small percent of our brain and if we could concentrate enough to use it all the possibilities are endless. but i highly doubt we will evr be able to simply because we doubt ourselves and our abilities

[redstar2000]

Science is not the be all and end all of existence.

I assume you're being rhetorical again.

If there were any credible scientific evidence for parapsychology, it would be an "earth-shaking" event. The discoverer would certainly get a Nobel Prize, probably in medicine since it would have involved research into the brain.

When people have actually tried to look into this kind of stuff, they inevitably discover fraud...usually of the kind practiced by stage magicians for entertainment.

Naturally scientists no longer take it seriously and haven't, I believe, since sometime in the 1940s.

If you wish to disregard this and plunge into the elusive search for evidence of para-psychological phenomena, go right ahead.

In your spare time, look around for "the holy grail"...it is supposed to have some truly marvelous properties.

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[Rasta Sapian]

yes, de ja vu, does exist in one form or another, I have had it happen time to time.
Do you think that what we dream or experience in our subconcious state, can in-fact later happen in concious reality, giving rise to the de ja vu effect?

The subconcious is very illusive and unexplained. :blink:

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by Rasta [email protected] 4 2004, 07:01 PM

Do you think that what we dream or experience in our subconcious state, can in-fact later happen in concious reality, giving rise to the de ja vu effect?



I doubt it but it is possible considering there is no scientific or psychological explanation tey. I doubt we are somehow psychic I would think it may have to do with our perception and some kind of memory problem we experience or something.

[che's long lost daughter]

I believe in parapsychology and I am considering taking classes to learn more about it and maybe, put it into practice.

[mia wallace]

I believe in parapsychology and I am considering taking classes to learn more about it and maybe, put it into practice.
someone at last! :)
you rock :D

[redstar2000]

I believe in parapsychology and I am considering taking classes to learn more about it and maybe, put it into practice.

Whatever fees they charge you, I will lie to you for less!

Damn, I could have been one hell of a con-man! :o

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[che's long lost daughter]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 05:03 AM

I believe in parapsychology and I am considering taking classes to learn more about it and maybe, put it into practice.

Whatever fees they charge you, I will lie to you for less!

Damn, I could have been one hell of a con-man! :o

:redstar2000:

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After I finish the classes, I am going to hunt you via astral projection and make use of my telekenetic powers and have my broadsword fly and decapitate you ;)