Eminem, Korn, & Ice Cube Release Video w/ Anonymous, Call For; `Global Revolution'

[NGNM85]

From Alternet;

`The word "epic" long ago lost all its linguistic potency when Burger King and Hot Topic began to use it in the advertisement of their products. Yet if ever if there was an occasion to resurrect the term, it would be to describe the music video released today by elements of Anonymous along with Ice Cube, Eminem, and Korn.

They team up to splice together a nuance-eschewing, face-melting, testosterone-charged collaboration meant to incept a massive wave of action against the seemingly indomitable power of corporatist-totalitarianism within the world's leading liberal republics.

The video features some hilarious spots of Rob Ford--perhaps the Western world's most flamboyant symbol of transparent corpo-political stoogism--as well as the mainstream media's two favorite tools of distraction, Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus. There are also a number of clips of Obama acting especially bourgeois while surrounded by animated cameras, implying that the spying-industrial-complex is an apolitical institution supported and grown by whichevever political party is in office.

Ice Cube, Eminem and Korn hit the peak of their musical careers within the mainstream musical establishment over a decade ago, which probably engenders them with a degree of freedom to partake in such an overtly political project.

It might be the most insane music video you've seen in a long time--and for some, it may inspire the visceral outrage necessary to orient toward a path of action. Others will just roll their eyes.'

http://www.alternet.org/video-eminem-ice-cube-and-korn-team-anonymous-call-global-revolution

Those who have not already seen the video can check it out at the link, above.

Discuss. (Or don't.)

[Sea]

From Alternet;

`The word "epic" long ago lost all its linguistic potency when Burger King and Hot Topic began to use it in the advertisement of their products. Yet if ever if there was an occasion to resurrect the term, it would be to describe the music video released today by elements of Anonymous along with Ice Cube, Eminem, and Korn. Honestly, the washed-out, commercialized "epic" can be just left as is and it would still be perfectly accurate in this scenario.

[bricolage]

ha! this is awful!

but a more serious point, I had no idea korn even still existed. this song is terrible but beyond that do any of these artists even really have any appeal to young people anymore? they are overwhelmingly washed up and increasingly irrelevant.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

The song itself was like a confused mixture of three songs mashed together by a music producer with rudimentary knowledge of the idea of dubstep but no actual clue of what it sounds like. The idea of eminem, korn and ice cube being the leaders of a revolution is hilarious though.

[Sinister Intents]

The music is terrible IMHO. Interesting I guess, but I can't stand Korn.... Too many kids think Korn is metal and they're not...

[Os Cangaceiros]

Korn has been trying to reinvent itself as a quasi-dubstep outfit lately. (Korn's earlier nu-metal shit has always been a guilty pleasure of mine haha)

[#FF0000]

Damn dude that is a jarring and unpleasant mashup

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Well, I fucking liked it you wet blankets. Fucking insane, you serious, Ems verse? I'm not even a huge fan of his but FUCK. Say what you will but you can not deny this. And I love Korn, it's pretty neat their still goin despite Jesus, divorces, meth and carbohydrates.


Damn dude that is a jarring and unpleasant mashup

Thas why I like it. Pretty good on a pop noise level.

[NGNM85]

Here's an official overview of what Anonymous is, allegedly, planning for April 14th;

https://waveofaction.org/job/worldwide-wave-launch-gatherings/

You can find more info, and the latest updates, here;

https://waveofaction.org

[NGNM85]

I was sort of hoping this would stimulate more interesting responses besides; `Korn sucks azz. LOL.' (For what it's worth, I concur, wholeheartedly.) For example, what can we expect will actually happen? How many people will actually turn out for this? Should radicals react to this, or take advantage of it? If so, how? Also, what are the socio-cultural implications of this?

[Sinister Intents]

I was sort of hoping this would stimulate more interesting responses besides; `Korn sucks azz. LOL.' (For what it's worth, I concur, wholeheartedly.) For example, what can we expect will actually happen? How many people will actually turn out for this? Should radicals react to this, or take advantage of it? If so, how? Also, what are the socio-cultural implications of this?

Personally I think this does have good implications, it could increase people's interest in left politics. I personally don't know what I'd do about this, or what others should do, but I definitely think it'll bring Anonymous to a wider audience. I really don't know a whole lot about Anonymous tbch.

[Sabot Cat]

I don't see the lulz motive or a clear target akin to the Church of Scientology. Nor does this seem very spontaneous, and it seems as though this is largely a vehicle of self-aggrandizement for these three (fading?) stars. It's entirely inconsistent with Anonymous' modus operandi. It just seems completely astroturfed. Maybe if there were more memes they usually utilize, or chatter on 4chan that preempted this (there was none from what I can tell), I could buy it. I just don't, especially not if you compare it with pretty much any of their previous operations. This is probably not going to amount to much.

EDIT: Checking AnonNews (http://anonnews.org/) I can't find anything about this video, actually.

[NGNM85]

Personally I think this does have good implications, it could increase people's interest in left politics. I personally don't know what I'd do about this, or what others should do, but I definitely think it'll bring Anonymous to a wider audience. I really don't know a whole lot about Anonymous tbch.

I think the; `Million Mask March';

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/06/protesters-gather-million-mask-march

this November is a pretty good template for what we can expect. I haven't seen any comprehensive numbers as to how big the turnout was, but, admittedly, I didn't look very hard.

[AnarchoZack]

All of these are mashed together songs made already......ALL of the Eminem verses are from "Rap God"....I don't listen to KoRn or Cube much, but these are also songs they've already done. To call this a collaboration is COMPLETELY inaccurate. This is just someone throwing videos together.

[SHORAS]

Pretty naff recuperation.

[argeiphontes]

People with opinions across the political spectrum are invited to unite and find common ground against corruption. We will overcome divide and conquer propaganda by forming communities of support and compassion. Together we will fight for freedom and begin engaging in a relentless campaign of nonviolent civil disobedience. People will pledge to take part in whatever tactics they are interested in throughout a sustained three-month cycle. Here’s a basic list of tactics…
> Mass gatherings, demonstrations;
> Marches, parades;
> Flash mobs, swarms;

> Shutdown harmful corporate and governmental operations;

> Worker Strikes;

> Hunger strikes;

> Sit-ins;


... etc ...




Is the problem "corruption"? How will civil disobedience eliminate corruption? What are the demands going to be? Isn't hunger striking to end corruption kind of like hunger striking to end crime?


That list of tactics includes some important stuff, so if this is going to be a summit of various groups that want to join together and occupy public space, maybe there's some value in that. If there was some sort of movement for alternative social systems pushing some kind of green anarchy, that would probably be more effective. But otherwise, I don't really see a clear statement of the problem or a vision of a solution. Blaming "corruption" itself implies there's no real analysis going on. Heh, the usual way to fight corruption is law enforcement, but I don't think that's what they want. It's a stand-in for something deeper.

Maybe they need an umbrella group that could incorporate all of these things into a coherent call to action? Lots of that list of tactics are things everybody should do anyway, but if your goal is to change (or bring down) the system you need concerted effort that'll be integrated into people's lives and that will spread. But then you're talking about a membership organization, raising money, etc.

Maybe I've spent too much time on this site, or I'm very jaded, but I think it's all too free-form. Unclear denouncing, and little announcing. A flash-mob strategy can only take you so far. Not that there is any strategy, except to indefinitely occupy some public space. They will probably succeed at occupying some public space, at the cost of arrests and what not, just like last time.

[BIXX]

I think the; `Million Mask March';



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/06/protesters-gather-million-mask-march



this November is a pretty good template for what we can expect. I haven't seen any comprehensive numbers as to how big the turnout was, but, admittedly, I didn't look very hard.


I heard (but don't know for sure) that the turnout was kinda shit.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Damn I was expecting a actual collaboration between the three which I thought would be badass but it's just a mash up of three different songs. Ice Cube and Eminems songs I like, that Korn one was meh. I also don't know what people mean by fading stars, at least not Eminem who recently has been stepping his game back up. The video was horrible though if it was meant to make me want to take some action, Ice Cubes song/video Everythang's Corrupt(which was the song of Ice Cube in that video) by itself was a lot better than that mash up and actually names capitalism itself as a problem.

As for the action this video wants to mobilize people for...First time I've heard about it, I'm going to look more into it.

[Ele'ill]

:glare:

[blake 3:17]

I like it. Seems made for remixes.

Ford Nation 4 neva

[L.A.P.]

(Korn's earlier nu-metal shit has always been a guilty pleasure of mine haha)

no one fucks with their first album. it's a shame, because its sludgy funk metal that sounds like a cross between Melvins and Primus

[La Guaneña]

This is just not revolutionary music

[Sea]

I was sort of hoping this would stimulate more interesting responses besides; `Korn sucks azz. LOL.' (For what it's worth, I concur, wholeheartedly.) For example, what can we expect will actually happen? How many people will actually turn out for this? Should radicals react to this, or take advantage of it? If so, how? Also, what are the socio-cultural implications of this?I do apologize, but as communists, we can not not tell the truth.
:glare:It was that bad?

[#FF0000]

Thas why I like it. Pretty good on a pop noise level.

yeah i dunno i like a lot of harsh and noisy music and i was not feeling this.


For example, what can we expect will actually happen? How many people will actually turn out for this? Should radicals react to this, or take advantage of it? If so, how? Also, what are the socio-cultural implications of this?

Nothing will come of this or any other bizarre attempt to resurrect "Occupy" -- especially from a group as lame and politically impotent and disconnected as "Anonymous". I mean, that's the entire issue with this kind of thing. Totally disconnected from anyone who isn't a tremendous dork that self-affiliates with a do-nothing politically muddled internet thing.

So expect to see a lot of dummies with masks, talking about The Fed and GMO and making no attempt to learn anything about or from what happened in Occupy.

[Zukunftsmusik]

For example, what can we expect will actually happen? How many people will actually turn out for this? Should radicals react to this, or take advantage of it? If so, how? Also, what are the socio-cultural implications of this?

:lol:

Korn sucks azz, btw.

[NGNM85]

I do apologize, but as communists, we can not not tell the truth.


:lol:

Korn sucks azz, btw.

Again; I do not dispute the fact that Korn is terrible.

[NGNM85]

Nothing will come of this or any other bizarre attempt to resurrect "Occupy" -- especially from a group as lame and politically impotent and disconnected as "Anonymous". I mean, that's the entire issue with this kind of thing. Totally disconnected from anyone who isn't a tremendous dork that self-affiliates with a do-nothing politically muddled internet thing.

So expect to see a lot of dummies with masks, talking about The Fed and GMO and making no attempt to learn anything about or from what happened in Occupy.

I don't think that they are trying to resurrect occupy, but, rather, trying to imitate it.

I'm similarly unimpressed by this groups' rhetoric. However, it's not as if occupy didn't have many of the same problems. It may have been a bigger, more diverse happening, but it wasn't that much more class conscious than these nimrods.

For the aforementioned reasons, I don't think these people are capable of acheiving much of anything, on their own. But, it's sort of a given that in order to actualize the potential of things like this radicals, as the most class conscious members of the class, need to be at the forefront. This brings me back to my earlier question; what should radicals be doing in response to things like this?

[Zukunftsmusik]

For the aforementioned reasons, I don't think these people are capable of acheiving much of anything, on their own. But, it's sort of a given that in order to actualize the potential of things like this radicals, as the most class conscious members of the class, need to be at the forefront. This brings me back to my earlier question; what should radicals be doing in response to things like this?

This thing has nothing to do with radical activity or class struggle. It's sensationalism, a media event. If radicals should be at the forefront, this isn't the place to be.

IMO.

[Art Vandelay]

Man Ice Cube what the fuck happened? Dude wrote practically all the great old NWA hits and now he's doing shit like this and 'are we there yet.' Another childhood legend down the drain.

[Red Banana]

I saw the title and thought "oh, this might be interesting" and clicked on the link before reading any comments.

I was disappointed, I'd like my 4 minutes and 45 seconds back.

[Loony Le Fist]

I appreciate the art here, including the reference to Max Headroom. Could it be a reference to the Max Headroom Signal Injection Incident of 1987 in Chicago? I suppose this might be considered an allusion to a possible method to get the word out. Or maybe people might be too propagandized to even notice. After all, after the aforementioned signal intrusion event, much of the reaction was anger at the station and the hacker (never identified or captured) for interrupting their show. No one (save for a few) appreciated the statement being made at all.

As far as the players involved. Can we trust these mainstream players like Eminem, Ice Cube and Korn to actually represent the people? Haven't they already become tools of the elite?

EDIT: I understand it's a mash up of these artists. I just mean it's ironic that those are tools of the elite are speaking out against the elite. Can they be trusted.

[#FF0000]

I appreciate the art here, including the reference to Max Headroom. Could it be a reference to the Max Headroom Signal Injection Incident of 1987 in Chicago? I suppose this might be considered an allusion to a possible method to get the word out. Or maybe people might be too propagandized to even notice. After all, after the aforementioned signal intrusion event, much of the reaction was anger at the station and the hacker (never identified or captured) for interrupting their show. No one (save for a few) appreciated the statement being made at all.

As far as the players involved. Can we trust these mainstream players like Eminem, Ice Cube and Korn to actually represent the people? Haven't they already become tools of the elite?

EDIT: I understand it's a mash up of these artists. I just mean it's ironic that those are tools of the elite are speaking out against the elite. Can they be trusted.

I think the dumb and self-satisfied talk about "TOOLS OF THE ELITES" and people being "TOO PROPAGANDIZED" or brainwashed to care about things is indicative of a really dumb and really useless attitude. one that's often held by idiot babies who associate with anonymous as well as too many people who associate with the left.

also lol @ "no one appreciated the statement" in regard to the signal intrusion incident.

oqgeM6rWSkw

such profound statements woah

[Os Cangaceiros]

no one fucks with their first album. it's a shame, because its sludgy funk metal that sounds like a cross between Melvins and Primus

They were better than Slipknot IMO, LOL. Not better than Marilyn Manson but Manson was grouped more into industrial than nu-metal. Back in the day those seemed like the rock groups that parents were warned about, though, back in the good ol' 90's (I refuse to mention Limp Bizkit...oops, just did) :lol:

I like the songs they did which people love to hate, like "Freak On A Leash" and their hilarious rendition of Cameo's "Word Up!"

[Os Cangaceiros]

I also think it's funny that their bass player sank into the lowest pits of substance abuse that one can only reach with a mountain of cash & a peer group like, well, the other members of Korn LOL, and now he has a tattoo on his hand to prevent him from jerking off. Went from being high on meth/heroin/crack/human-adrenaline-gland to being high on the jesus juice.

[argeiphontes]

This brings me back to my earlier question; what should radicals be doing in response to things like this?

Figuring out a way to recruit these people, I would think. The disaffection they're feeling is real, it's just ahistorical and amorphous.

Point them towards IOPS ;)

[Loony Le Fist]

I think the dumb and self-satisfied talk about "TOOLS OF THE ELITES" and people being "TOO PROPAGANDIZED" or brainwashed to care about things is indicative of a really dumb and really useless attitude. one that's often held by idiot babies who associate with anonymous as well as too many people who associate with the left.

So you don't believe that people are brainwashed by the PR industry to be responsive to certain things? I'm just asking some questions. That's all. There is no need to be oblique in your insults either. If you want to make the claim I'm an idiot baby, there's no need to couch it in third-person. Though I would suggest you substantiate that claim, since I'm not going to take your word for it. Of course, I could speak of the self-satisfying talk of obliquely claiming that I have a "dumb and really useless attitude" and how I'm an "idiot babies who associate[s] with anonymous". Consider not throwing stones in a glass house.



also lol @ "no one appreciated the statement" in regard to the signal intrusion incident.

First off, you really did an excellent straw man of my position. So thanks for that.


After all, after the aforementioned signal intrusion event, much of the reaction was anger at the station and the hacker (never identified or captured) for interrupting their show. No one (save for a few) appreciated the statement being made at all.

See what I claimed was that based on the reactions of anger of having their show interrupted, that most people didn't see the anti-corporatist message being portrayed here. I'm saying it's sad they were too caught up in their show to care about it.



Ok, do you have any idea what was being alluded to in that video?


Well look at the characters portrayed here. Max Headroom which happens to be a character from a fictional future world where video piracy is punished by death. The attack on the stations manager, and the Chicago Tribune company that are parent companies of the station. Yes, there was an anti-corporate message in there, if you bothered to look. As well as the rather lame and obvious critique of Coca-Cola (Max Headroom was used to promote New Coke, and so the Max character in this video uses a Pepsi can).

To sum things up, don't be such an a**hole next time. Mmmmkay?

[liberlict]

Wonder why RATM didn't get in on the action.

[RedThinker]

I really liked the song. And I believe that chaos of the song is made, is part of its charm. I mean its like a book, where the author tries to give you the feeling that person feels, by writing in a more chaotic way.
Amazing song tho, I love the brutality Ice Cubes brings into it and never been a fan of Eminem or Korn, but som amazing points being thrown out in public by them!

[Orange Juche]

Is the problem "corruption"?

I'm so damn sick and tired of this tip-toeing around just saying "IT'S CAPITALISM. THAT'S THE PROBLEM." Whether it's Occupy, or this, or anything in between, it's always "corruption" and "the corporations" and "corporatism", with some vague, shadowy nonsense definition that's bland and doesn't really mean anything because everyone is so terrified of stepping on anyone's toes. It reminds me of this TED talk about how scientifically rich people are more likely to be crappy people, and it kept building to "let's not have a world where there's such a thing as rich", yet ended with "the solution is to encourage them to be nicer".

If people are so broadly pissed off at the vague other without ever giving a clear definition, how is there going to be any meaningful solutions? How is any action taken anything other than moralistic, ego-fulfilling posturing?

I'm glad "the 99% and the 1%" are part of the social lexicon now, that's huge in its own way - but it's meaningless unless we say "the status which the 1% live under is based on theft and should not exist as a social/economic status."

[#FF0000]

So you don't believe that people are brainwashed by the PR industry to be responsive to certain things?

Dominant ideology perpetuates itself organically and it's not as if your attitude is unique in any way. I know plenty of people who go on and on and on and on screaming about the media and how it brainwashes people and how people are "asleep" and they are the only enlightened independent thinkers and, surprise, they have no politics and are useless because even if they did have politics their rhetoric repels people who aren't assholes and attracts other, smug know-nothing idiots.


First off, you really did an excellent straw man of my position. So thanks for that.

See what I claimed was that based on the reactions of anger of having their show interrupted, that most people didn't see the anti-corporatist message being portrayed here. I'm saying it's sad they were too caught up in their show to care about it.


Whatever anyone could possibly be watching is infinitely more interesting than that dude's hamfisted and hackneyed attempt at "commentary". So yeah, I think folks are gonna be a lot more interested in Doctor Who than someone's half baked and poorly communicated 'anti-corporatist message'.


To sum things up, don't be such an a**hole next time. Mmmmkay?

Don't be dumb and I won't be.

[Loony Le Fist]

I know plenty of people who go on and on and on and on screaming about the media and how it brainwashes people and how people are "asleep" and they are the only enlightened independent thinkers and, surprise, they have no politics and are useless because even if they did have politics their rhetoric repels people who aren't assholes and attracts other, smug know-nothing idiots.

I'm afraid that's doesn't follow. Just because someone claims we are brainwashed by PR doesn't mean they are claiming (or believe) they are the only enlightened independent thinker or they are better than anyone else. That is quite a hefty charge, and your claims are pretty loaded there. Apparently you have a lot of baggage here. I don't blame you (completely), I'm sure there are lots of people that are trying to be smug and act better than everyone else. Despite giving you the benefit of the doubt, I think the way you jumped to conclusions here is ridiculous. You talk about "rhetoric that repels people", yet you hurl insults at me.



Whatever anyone could possibly be watching is infinitely more interesting than that dude's hamfisted and hackneyed attempt at "commentary". So yeah, I think folks are gonna be a lot more interested in Doctor Who than someone's half baked and poorly communicated 'anti-corporatist message'.


So you complain about useless people, then we have a person who makes an attempt at communicating and breaking through, and you scoff at it. Why don't you try accomplishing what this person did? Perhaps you could provide a better message for us--since you seem to be implying you could provide us with a far enlightened than anyone else based on your rhetoric. Then you accuse others of having a smug attitude. Okay.



Don't be dumb and I won't be.


That's some excuse for acting like you did. You call me dumb (always obliquely, however), yet according to you I'm the one that is acting smug and full of myself. You ought to quit throwing stones in that glass house of yours. I'm done derailing this conversation--it should be about this Eminem-Ice Cube video. I'll let you have the last word #FF0000, if you care to derail the conversation further.

[argeiphontes]

I'm so damn sick and tired of this tip-toeing around just saying "IT'S CAPITALISM. THAT'S THE PROBLEM." Whether it's Occupy, or this, or anything in between, it's always "corruption" and "the corporations" and "corporatism", with some vague, shadowy nonsense definition that's bland and doesn't really mean anything because everyone is so terrified of stepping on anyone's toes. It reminds me of this TED talk about how scientifically rich people are more likely to be crappy people, and it kept building to "let's not have a world where there's such a thing as rich", yet ended with "the solution is to encourage them to be nicer".

If people are so broadly pissed off at the vague other without ever giving a clear definition, how is there going to be any meaningful solutions? How is any action taken anything other than moralistic, ego-fulfilling posturing?

I'm glad "the 99% and the 1%" are part of the social lexicon now, that's huge in its own way - but it's meaningless unless we say "the status which the 1% live under is based on theft and should not exist as a social/economic status."

That's absolutely right.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Man Ice Cube what the fuck happened? Dude wrote practically all the great old NWA hits and now he's doing shit like this and 'are we there yet.' Another childhood legend down the drain.

Uh? Did you not hear that new john 'Sasquatch'? I rest my case, you is invalid.


yeah i dunno i like a lot of harsh and noisy music and i was not feeling this.

I just meant noise music like genre not noisey stuff, ew, no but the song was all like "shijbbvfdsfjiyrrbncseygherehggaaaaah," and stuff so yeah. Idk for weird reasons I liked it.

[Art Vandelay]

Uh? Did you not hear that new john 'Sasquatch'? I rest my case, you is invalid.

What you talking aboot?

:confused:

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

What you talking aboot?

:confused:

I already showed you this (!!) but ok.

D7lOmfQPHN0

[Art Vandelay]

I'll just reiterate what I said and say again, what the fuck happened to the cube. Were talking about this guy yo, the guy who wrote boyz in da hood.

e: put the wrong song....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4UqMyldS7Q

[L.A.P.]

They were better than Slipknot IMO, LOL. Not better than Marilyn Manson but Manson was grouped more into industrial than nu-metal. Back in the day those seemed like the rock groups that parents were warned about, though, back in the good ol' 90's (I refuse to mention Limp Bizkit...oops, just did) :lol:

I like the songs they did which people love to hate, like "Freak On A Leash" and their hilarious rendition of Cameo's "Word Up!"






yeah, I like songs like "Shoots and Ladders", "Faget", "Clown", "and "Ball Tongue". I think Marilyn Manson's Mechanical Animals with the more glam rock-orientated sound was actually the most interesting release out of all of those late 90s-early 00s MTV alt. metal bands.



Slipknot was the closest thing to a heavy metal boy band, ha








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