Communism and Extraterrestrials

[RedCornFlakes]

One of the main tenants of communism is proletarian internationalism. Nationalism by definition means devotion and loyalty to one's own country, and as such Internationalism devotion and loyalty to one's own planet. Socialism is a global system.

So what about extraterrestrials? Will aliens be allowed to migrate to a future would-be communist Earth? I'm kind of reluctant to allow it, I don't any of them gray people stealing our jobs and mixing with our human genes.

Are socialists obligated to assist the impoverished, not just overseas, but from other planets?

[Slavic]

I'm kind of reluctant to allow it, I don't any of them gray people stealing our jobs and mixing with our human genes.

Replace gray people with black people and you'll fit right in with Jim Crow America. What does that say about your attitude toward extraterrestrials?

[RedCornFlakes]

I'm kind of reluctant to allow it, I don't any of them gray people stealing our jobs and mixing with our human genes.Replace gray people with black people and you'll fit right in with Jim Crow America. What does that say about your attitude toward extraterrestrials?

Karl Marx did say "Workers for the World Unite", not universe or solar system. But I think after we implement socialism on Earth we need to reach for the stars, just like the capitalist are doing now.

[Sentinel]

Are socialists obligated to assist the impoverished, not just overseas, but from other planets?


Well, it has traditionally been seen the other way around, by marxist theorists who have engaged with the issue:

"We must call upon beings from other planets when they come to intervene, to collaborate with the inhabitants of the Earth to overcome misery. We must launch a call on them to use their resources to help us.” - J. Posadas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Posadas).

[rylasasin]

Karl Marx did say "Workers for the World Unite", not galaxy.

He was running on the assumption that ETs either don't exist or are too far away to be of any importance. Science Fiction wasn't as popular of a genre as it is now if it existed at all.

Try reversing this question: Assume you are a spacefaring race of communist aliens, would you help the earth liberate itself from the shackles of capitalism?

[RedCornFlakes]

He was running on the assumption that ETs either don't exist or are too far away to be of any importance. Science Fiction wasn't as popular of a genre as it is now if it existed at all.

Try reversing this question: Assume you are a spacefaring race of communist aliens, would you help the earth liberate itself from the shackles of capitalism?
Any weapons that aliens will carry will be far more dangerous and lethal than anything on Earth, and would function a lot differently. But to answer your question, of course I would!
Interstellar Socialism!

[The Intransigent Faction]

This thread reminds me of this:

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See y'all later, I'm off to watch Star Trek. :) (I started from Voyager, so I guess I'm going backwards?).

My point? I hope we never achieve interstellar travel in our current sexist, racist, etc. society and lousy socioeconomic setup. Better we stay stranded on Earth until extinction rather than spread that garbage across the universe.

[RedCornFlakes]

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"Material needs no longer exist"
"The challenge is to improve yourself"
I thought communism was a materialist ideology, and anti-individualist/collectivist.

[The Intransigent Faction]

"Material needs no longer exist"
"The challenge is to improve yourself"
I thought communism was a materialist ideology, and anti-individualist/collectivist.

Lol, it was just another way of saying they "eliminated hunger, want, the need for possessions".

Nothing in communism precludes individuality, in fact individuality through creative labour is (along of course with the change in purpose with the end of the profit motive) what distinguishes it from alienating capitalist labour, even according to Marx.


In bourgeois society capital is independent and has individuality, while the living person is dependent and has no individuality.

Communism is neither individualist nor collectivist. That is a liberal false dichotomy.