Che is an evill Villain!!!!!

[Jesus Sanchez]

In 2000, the Melbourne Herald Sun released a serise of "magazines" called "Images of the 20th century". Each magazine was on a diffeant topic; milestones, heroes, movies, cars, sport... you get the idea. And do you know where our hero was put? In Villains! On the same page as another hero: Pancho Villa. These great men where on the same double page as the evil Musolini and Augusto Pinochet. They also mention Castro as liberating Cuba then inslaving it. Else where in the Villains magazine the have Chairman Mao, which isn't that hard to beleive but still not right.

[Ian]

It's Murdoch media mate, it's always going to talk shit about Che and Fidel and socialism.

The Herald Scum is always most in touch with the bosses ideas.

[ComradeRed]

what a bunch of nazis!! :angry:

[Hiero]

Originally posted by El Grande of [email protected] 25 2004, 04:04 AM
In 2000, the Melbourne Herald Sun released a serise of "magazines" called "Images of the 20th century".
In 2000, what made you only remember this now.

[RED FIRE]

Che is an is an evill Villain :lol:

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

I'm not surprised they did that. Che did kill alotta ppl, and despite justification, the media will always think that's wrong, even though Amreica's leader now has ordered deaths of thousands in Iraq...The media'll portray this horrible leader as a great man...

Sad, but true. Any rebel that uses violence as a means to prove their point will almost always be looked down upon. Even if they defend their land, like some natives did when imperialists came and took their land, muchlike Emiliano Zapata.

However, what Castro's done to that country is horrible. I'm not fan of Castro, he's done alotta horrible things to that country and the people of the country. He is and always will be in opposition to American rule, which is good, but that cannot sanitize the blatant evil he has done in Cuba.

[Wiesty]

well first of all don't say that Castro was an evil man. He and Che both saved cuba. And who the hell if u are american gives u the right to say that they are doing stuff that is wrong in the U.S......ITS A TOTALY DIFFERENT COUNTRY MY FRIEND. god and u wonder why americans always are fighting, no offence but u guys seem to act like u are the best in the world from mine and alotta people oppinions. anyways if it wasnt for Castro....those people would of had another 20-30 years of torture with Batista. Ive seen the cuban documentry film everone seems to be happy, and if there not its normal because lots of countrys have vagabonds. They all seem to love castro. the people there are not shot down when they go to get groceries like this video of a american soldier i saw who shot down a lady in iraq that was out for a walk, after it he said he had great pride in doin so. So dont be saying that its a bad country, in fact cuba has one of the best economys in the western hempishphere.

tahts ma 2 cents

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

K, lets do some research before we shoot our mouths off Wiesty...

1.) No, I'm not American. I'm West Indian, and reside in Toronto, Ontario. Nice assumption however. ;).

2.) I was never defending Fulgencio Batista. He was an evil dictator backed by America. Similarly like what America's done in other countries, especially south america and latin america.

3.) Castro HAS DONE horrible things. As did Guevara. Castro not only took power, but also killed anyone who was in his way. I talked before about Castro knowing of Guevara's death and did nothing about it. They were brothers of the same cause yes, but Castro knew Guevara was a bigger threat to America than he.

Dont assume my friend. Do some more research on Castro, you'll see what i'm talking about.

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by Knowledge 6 6 [email protected] 26 2004, 12:06 AM
I talked before about Castro knowing of Guevara's death and did nothing about it. They were brothers of the same cause yes, but Castro knew Guevara was a bigger threat to America than he.

Dont assume my friend. Do some more research on Castro, you'll see what i'm talking about.
I agree, don't make assumptions. This last comment is a massive one, which greatly lacks evidence.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB5/

Scroll down to "The Death of Che Guevara : A Chronology"

Castro read a farewell speech Guevara wrote, but was not intended to be made public.

Castro knew Guevara was gonna die...

There's alot more on this topic. Pretty much a debate really. I dunno, I havent gathered ALL my facts yet, but Castro reading Guevara's farewell speech seems kinda 'iffy', if u ask me.

It&#39;s like me reading your will while your still living... <_<

[Wiesty]

Well he may have killed people who were in his way during the revolution as well as che. But thats what it takes to free a country under someone like batistsa. What were they supposte to do go and ask for the country? Of coarse not. Maybe they are evil to american standards but maybe america is evil to American standards. And i have no idea why they focus on Cuba so much when China has a hundred times worse Communist Union. There are much worst countries. And as soon as a country steps out of Americas rules or what they think is right its a form of terrorism or etc. America should think about there own country instead of thinking they own the world

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Knowlege, I never knew you were such a bourgois lackey.

Obviously he had to kill people&#33;
When it comes to revolution, capitalists will not come down from their thrones of oppression and subjugation untill it is shown that the working class will not tolerate that their political opponents derrive power from the fruits of their own labour to secure power over them. When lives are taken, it is those of the people who have interests other than those of freedom. If the proletariat truly looses the chains of subjugation to the bourgeoisie it will not tolerate oppression, at any costs. The bourgeoisie will not give up power peacefully.

Castro and Che lead a success full peoples&#39; revolution.

Castro liberated the poeple of Cuba from an evil dictator and gave them socialism. They have more power over their society now than anyone else in Latin America, thanks to Castro&#39;s couarge to stand up to American imperialism for over 40 years.

Good site where you can find loads of TRUE information about life and Government in Cuba (http://www.newhumanist.com/ca.html)

American vs. Cuban Democracy (http://www.newhumanist.com/geiser.html)

[Red Army]

Everytbody who sais Che is a villan is just a stupid nazi :blink:

[FistFullOfSteel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 11:18 PM
Knowlege, I never knew you were such a bourgois lackey.

Obviously he had to kill people&#33;
When it comes to revolution, capitalists will not come down from their thrones of oppression and subjugation untill it is shown that the working class will not tolerate that their political opponents derrive power from the fruits of their own labour to secure power over them. When lives are taken, it is those of the people who have interests other than those of freedom. If the proletariat truly looses the chains of subjugation to the bourgeoisie it will not tolerate oppression, at any costs. The bourgeoisie will not give up power peacefully.

Castro and Che lead a success full peoples&#39; revolution.

Castro liberated the poeple of Cuba from an evil dictator and gave them socialism. They have more power over their society now than anyone else in Latin America, thanks to Castro&#39;s couarge to stand up to American imperialism for over 40 years.

Good site where you can find loads of TRUE information about life and Government in Cuba (http://www.newhumanist.com/ca.html)

American vs. Cuban Democracy (http://www.newhumanist.com/geiser.html)
Those sites is very good,thanks ;)

[redsmurfratm]

Well it all depends upon who is writeing the article because im sure that someone has written something saying that some US official was a villian and im sure that the nationalists didnt like that very much.You cant hold anything against that person for what their opinion is.But I do not find it at all unuasual that Pancho Villa is under the villians because unlike Che Pancho Villa took unnecessary lives and was not know as a good man.Che was liked by the common people because he treated them well but Pancho Villa would burn villages and do many other needless things.They were totally different men with totally different attitudes.

[che's long lost daughter]

Before anything else, is there such a thing as a good villain?

Well, it isn&#39;t new to for the ears to hear of people saying the Che was a villain or that he doesn&#39;t deserve the adulation that many people offer him. There has always been Che/ Fidel detractors everywhere but never have i believed in any of them so don&#39;t let these things bother you. They are just a plot to degrade the image of our hero which is plainly stupidity and ignorance.

[dark fairy]

" you need people like me so you can point your fucken fingers, and say that&#39;s the bad guy"-tony montana

[Thunk]

This notion that Cuba is "evil" and Castro has some how wrecked the country is mostly rubbish chucked around by the bourgois media. Although the issue is not that simple. As many of us have learnt from history, isolating a nation can cause all kinds of economic, political and humantarian issues. Obvious examples are, Nazi Germany and Stalin&#39;s Russia.

But Cuba has done remarkedly well despite the USA&#39;s "secret" war against Cuba that has been going on since the revolution. It has a lower infant mortality rate than the US, and great education and health services. But unfortunatly due to US intervention against Cuba (support of Terrorism, the Bay of Pigs, economic sanctions - the list goes on), problems have arose. Its a style of propaganda that the US uses all around the world - try to destroy a country, then blame its problems on its system of government (an obvious route to discrediting socialism).

For example take Iraq (im not implying that Iraq is has ever been socialist), before the gulf war Iraq had a good infrastructure, and a solid currency, afterwards, after the bombing had stopped (mostly), the US pressured the UN into imposing atrocious sanctions against Iraq, thereby stopping it from rebuilding and keeping it in a constant state of humanitarian crisis. The US responce to this crisis? "Its Saddam&#39;s fault, hes making the masses live in squaler whislt his people starve and die". This was of course reflected in the mass media in the run up to 2003 war on Iraq, I can not stress the number of times it was pointed out that Saddam lived in "opulence" whislt Iraqis starved and died of all kinds of horrific ills, of course there was no mention of the fact that it was the gulf war that largely put them in that situation. Of course im not oppolgising for Saddam, hes scum, but the fact is that it was not he who forced Iraq into poverty it was the USA, thereby highlighting the fact that the US has a policy of blaming domestic troubles in a country that they dont like, on problems they have helped to create, thereby discrediting that nation.

So yes, due to similar tactics to those the US has used against Iraq, Cuba has been comprimised in ways that can be used to discredited Fidel and the revoution. But it is in no way "evil".

They cannot hold democratic elections, why?? Because the US will pour masses of resources into capitalist, or tyranical opposition, look at US intervention in Latin America, the US has influenced or destroyed free elections all over the place, resulting in "hell on earth" tyrannical situations like Guatamala after the1954 US supported coup.

Cuba puts some restraints on civil liberties, such as freedom of information etc. Why?? because the US is constantly trying to expose Cubans with bullshit and propaganda about Fidel and the government. Also the USA has supported terrorist attacks on Cuba in the past (Orlando Bosch anyone??), and even chemical and biological warfare (Cuban sugar exports were contaminated by the CIA to make it unpalatable). Therefore some civil restraints are imposed to deal with these kinds of things, its an obvious paradixical situation for a socialist government.

And dont believe any of the crap about torture or human rights abuses in Cuba, Amnesty international has failed to find any. And also that Armando Valladres guy who alot of people use as evidence for human rights abuses in Cuba later went on to be as US ambassador to the UN, and openly supported countries with terrible human writes records, such as El Salvador, and Guatamala (both countries where coups had been manufactured by the US), kinda damages his credibility doesent it??. If you want to start pointing your finger at human writes abuses in Cuba, point it at the US run camp X-ray.

So considering all the shit that Cuba and the revolution has had to put up with, i&#39;d say its done incredibly well. Even so that Amnesty International has called it the country with the best human rights record in Latin America. Cuba is a pretty good example of (an admitadly compromised) socialist system, and has succeeded very well despite the fact that a true socialist/communist movemnt is sopposed to be international. I can only hope it can continue down the soicalist path, and not fall into the right wing systems that many isolated countries do.

To summerise - DONT BELIEVE THE MEDIAS BULLSHIT ABOUT CUBA - use some real analysis.

[Stapler]

Well, you can make up your own mind. The official stand of the American government is Anti-Cuba, and americans follow their government like dogs looking for a treat. Revisionists have painted a man of ideals as evil, and that is a tragedy, however, that&#39;s just one source, and anyone who does not read that objectively is most definitely anti-communist anyway.

[Fidel Castro]

However, what Castro&#39;s done to that country is horrible. I&#39;m not fan of Castro, he&#39;s done alotta horrible things to that country and the people of the country. He is and always will be in opposition to American rule, which is good, but that cannot sanitize the blatant evil he has done in Cuba

Listen, I really get angry when foreigners sit and blab on about how evil this leader is etc etc.

FACT - The majority in Cuba adore Fidel and Che as liberators from the Batista dictatorship and revolutionaries.

FACT - Under Castro infant mortality is at an all time low, waiting times in hospitals is approx 10 mins, and education is at its very best.

FACT - Under Castro the United Nations has given overwhelming support against the US blockade.

FACT - The use of Cuban troops in Angola helped bring an end to apartheit in South Africa.

FACT - Cuba has more medical staff working in the third world than the WHO.

FACT - The Cuban economy continues recovery despite the blockade and US travel ban.

FACT - The USA continues it&#39;s illegal occupation of Guantanamo Bay.

FACT - The information the Western World recieves about Cuba is heavily influenced by the likes of the Miami exiles in partnership with the US government.

FACT - Democratic elections were held in Cuba in 1997/1998.

FACT - Castro has recieved support from figures such as Malcom X, The Pope and Nelson Mandela.

[Hiero]

Are you Cuban Genghis2003

[lostsoul]

che is a villian and a hero...just depends on what side your on.

[Stapler]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 13 2004, 04:03 AM
Are you Cuban Genghis2003
Just wondering - and i mean no offense by this - but, are you Cuban?

[Comrade BNS]

ok I haven&#39;t read all of the posts here, but Knowledge 666 definately knows what he is talking about....

so many of you who have posted here are being very ignorant and insula&#33;&#33;

ok yes maybe you&#39;re caught up in the nationalist movement of communism/socialism/che-ism etc... but look at this objectively. Castro and Che did a good thing in helping to liberate Cuba, however this does not immortalise them and give them divine status, free from criticism and wrongdoing....castro has done some amazing things for cubans, but in recent history as his grip on the country has been slipping he has become more extreme. Cubans are starving, and those who try and leave the country are subsequently shot, this is not something from "the bourgeois media" this is something from a good friend of mine who managed to escape cuba 5 years ago.

I admire the early era Castro, but the man has become an old, evil corrupt villian.....let this be a lesson to all of you as to how power can corrupt and make one corpulent&#33;

and yes the media may be somewhat controlled by "bourgeois liberalists" ( a favoured and misused/overused term on these boards......grow up people and stop using trendy, jingoistic buzz words&#33;) but it is not entirely free of scruples, and they do believe it or not report on alot of factual events with out the spin doctors fist getting to it.....but if you are really adverse to Mr. Murdoch, there are plenty of independant media sources, who themselves will say to you that life in Cuba is shithouse&#33; don&#39;t be so naive as to disregard the media reports becasue they are telling you what you don&#39;t want to hear.....if they aren&#39;t telling you what you want to hear, maybe it&#39;s time you really focused objectively on what you do want to hear and why?

use your brains, be independant, don&#39;t just repeat the same old shit from the ignorant fools at the top who are scared of loosing power&#33; (and yes this happens in the left more then anywhere else believe it or not&#33;)

Comrade BNS

[Fidel Castro]

Are you Cuban Genghis2003

Sorry, no I&#39;m not a Cuban. What I meant by what I wrote was that perhaps people are too quick to jump on the bandwagon and condemn someone, so to speak.

Fidel is by no means beyond criticism. The USA and their buddys are quick to suggest that human rights is all about how free a person is to oppose government, where Cuba has been criticised. However, is human rights also not about the right for everyone to recieve healthcare? Of everyone to receive a decent education? A home? A job?

It is a simple fact that Fidel still has the support of the huge majority of Cubans, those who do not support him usually flee to Miami.

[seen_che]

Yes Che was great for Cuba but he alsou killed &#33; but it is a nother question if it was worth it &#33; But Cuba REALLY needed Che




DAMN NAZI MAGAZINE&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[frizzbee]

Please be carefull with the word Nazi&#33;

The abrivation for "National-Sozialist" should only be used in referral to supporters and members of the german fascist reigning germany from 1933 to 1945&#33;

Comparing Murdoch to Hitler and his servants is naive…

[SittingBull47]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 09:35 AM
Yes Che was great for Cuba but he alsou killed &#33; but it is a nother question if it was worth it &#33; But Cuba REALLY needed Che
of course they needed Che. They also needed an efficient way to deter "chivatos", spies, traitors, etc. It is ignorant to think that Che was just a cold blooded killing machine, he had compassion but not any for people against the revolution. Fidel often wanted to execute more people, but Che prevented that.

It was worth it.

[sociolismoomuerte]

It is true. the sad fact is, all rebelling forces will be looked down on unless they are allied with a super power. America was created by revolution and now the American hypocracy is trying to destroy revolutionary movements. America has actually supported most revolutionaries, such as Castro, but the American government will turn on the them if it doesn&#39;t get what it wants. And all an impierialistic capitalist country wants is money and power. So as long as the powerfull people in the world are greedy hypocrites, then there will be injustice done to those fighting for true freedom.


viva la revolution&#33;

[Stapler]

The only reason the americans invaded iraq was because of Saddam Hussein&#39;s anti-americanism. America has no problem supporting blood thirsty madmen, so long as they are pro-american. And America has no problem destroying the true revolutionary, if they are against american dominion of their lands.

[Kurai Tsuki]

It shouldn’t come as a surprise that the mainstream media in the Axis of Arrogance (USA-England-Australia) would portray Che and other revolutionaries as villains.

[Saint-Just]

ok yes maybe you&#39;re caught up in the nationalist movement of communism/socialism/che-ism etc... but look at this objectively. Castro and Che did a good thing in helping to liberate Cuba, however this does not immortalise them and give them divine status, free from criticism and wrongdoing....castro has done some amazing things for cubans, but in recent history as his grip on the country has been slipping he has become more extreme. Cubans are starving, and those who try and leave the country are subsequently shot, this is not something from "the bourgeois media" this is something from a good friend of mine who managed to escape cuba 5 years ago.

Cuba is a socialist country in a world dominated by imperialists and neo-liberal economic. As such it has a right to execute those who betray socialism by leaving the country for whatever vile reason. Cuba is not a rich country and people cannot expect it will be above problems such as a lack of food. You are spreading bourgeois ideas about socialism and Cuba.


and yes the media may be somewhat controlled by "bourgeois liberalists" ( a favoured and misused/overused term on these boards......grow up people and stop using trendy, jingoistic buzz words&#33;)

Bourgeois is not a &#39;buzz word&#39;, it is a word that Marxists use to describe a certain class. It is a key part of anyone&#39;s vocabulary in talking about class society.


use your brains, be independant, don&#39;t just repeat the same old shit from the ignorant fools at the top who are scared of loosing power&#33; (and yes this happens in the left more then anywhere else believe it or not&#33;)

Its easy to see where you are coming from.

[elbolao23]

who that hell told you there were democratic elections in Cuba in 1997/1998, votting for only one candidate for president (castro) is what you call democratic voting then you my "comrad" got some problems. There has never been and never will be any demicratic voting and freedom of speech, press and religion in Cuba. I lived there 15 years of my life

[Charles Xavier]

nice necromancy

[Merces]

I agree with mao being a villian, but there is little evidence of che being a villian.

[Brother No. 1]

Mao,Che, and Castro villians please their not villains Gerogre w. bush and are villians.

[GiantBear91]

I can understand Fidel being in the Villans. But as for Che being in the Villans... thats bullshit man. Che was a great man. The only reason he was put in the villans part of the paper was because of these two facts: he was a Communist and he killed some people. The media always takes those two things out of his entire life and just throw it in the face of the people so therefore they are pressured to believe that.

[Nakidana]

How do you judge if someone is a villain or not? Weigh out their good deeds and bad deeds? And what constitutes good deeds and bad deeds? I think Che's actions helped greatly improve the living conditions of the people of Cuba and therefore on the whole he was a "good man".

There is no doubt that he killed people, but unless you're a pacifist you have to see the killings in context. Che didn't kill those people out of pleasure, because he loved to kill people. He killed some of them in self defense and some because they wouldn't give up their power.

That's what happened during the Cuban revolution. The corrupt Batista regime refused to give up power and proceeded to attack Fidel and his men, fully intending to kill them off until they gave up. Now what do you do in a situation such as that? If you're a pacifist then you believe that Fidel and his men should simply throw down their weapons, take the beating and everything would be honky dory.

But that isn't how the world works. If you lie down, they beat you up to make sure you never rise again. If Fidel and Che had given up they would've been tortured and probably killed afterwards.

No, first you ask for power. If they refuse, then you take the struggle to the next level. I don't think you can blame Che for killing anyone during the revolutionary struggle in Cuba. It was a war, if you don't kill them then they'll kill you.

Now afterwards there were the executions at La Cabaña fortress where Che was appointed supreme prosecutor, oversaw the appeals of the convicted (Members of the Batista army) and decided on the punishment to be dealt out. Sometimes the penalty was death by firing squad. Although this process was supported by the vast majority of the population, I don't think it was a correct way of carrying out justice. At that point in time the guerillas had control of all of Cuba and should've been able to accomodate proper trials and prisoners.
AFAIK Che was the only one deciding the verdict and many of the trials only lasted a few hours. That can hardly be considered fair justice.
I also don't agree with the death penalty, but considering the lack of development of the Cuban society I can accept it. (The death penalty even still exists in the US, as modern and up-to-date as it's supposed to be)

On a philosophical note, I think there are two questions to be answered here: 1) What constitutes good and bad, does good and bad even exist? 2) Is killing ever justified? (I think everyone can agree that killing in itself is bad, but does the end justify the means?)

[Chambered Word]

In 2000, the Melbourne Herald Sun released a serise of "magazines" called "Images of the 20th century". Each magazine was on a diffeant topic; milestones, heroes, movies, cars, sport... you get the idea. And do you know where our hero was put? In Villains! On the same page as another hero: Pancho Villa. These great men where on the same double page as the evil Musolini and Augusto Pinochet. They also mention Castro as liberating Cuba then inslaving it. Else where in the Villains magazine the have Chairman Mao, which isn't that hard to beleive but still not right.

Apparently Che did kill a lot of people in the Batistan army if I remember correctly, but he wasn't a villian. He fought for everything good in the world.

Castro wasn't much better than he was worse and to be honest I think he would deserve to be a villian. Mao meant well and did fight off the colonial British and sticked their opium up their arses, but the Great Leap Forward and totalitarianism really screwed the country over. Big time. He's certainly a villian.

That's my opinion.

[pastradamus]

In 2000, the Melbourne Herald Sun released a serise of "magazines" called "Images of the 20th century". Each magazine was on a diffeant topic; milestones, heroes, movies, cars, sport... you get the idea. And do you know where our hero was put? In Villains! On the same page as another hero: Pancho Villa. These great men where on the same double page as the evil Musolini and Augusto Pinochet. They also mention Castro as liberating Cuba then inslaving it. Else where in the Villains magazine the have Chairman Mao, which isn't that hard to beleive but still not right.

Rupert Murdoch's Rotten-to-the-core and downright horrid political opinion is echoed throughout all the publications he owns. He is a sincere enemy of socialism, Democracy and independent-thought.

[Hoxhaist]

this is just part of the smear campaign to conflate socialism with fascism. I go crazy when I hear people try to say the Nazis were "left-wing" because part of the name of the party was National Socialist German Workers' Party. I could call myself the czar of Russia but that doesnt make it true!

[Nosotros]

what a bunch of nazis!! :angry:Nazis? Are they the ones denying the deaths and sufferings of millions of people at the hands of 'communism'?

[Gracchvs]

Considering his suppression of the Cuban Trotskyists, I can't say I am fond of him.
That said, he is a kind of Stalinoid Blaquist: He had balls of steel, knew what he wanted and was willing to go out and force the issue. He was just stupid about it, and his ends were stalinist.

[Il Medico]

Che is a hero. You may not like his methods, but he was as humane as possible, even releasing enemy soldiers if they were not wanted for war crimes. He did as all do in a time of war. At least he was doing it for something that he actually believed in, unlike American soldiers who kill in Iraq and come home to a hero's welcome. Why do they fight, money. Money= Hero, Good Cause= Villain. Wow! The republicans really got this one!:rolleyes: As for Castro, he had good intentions, but he messed up. Cuba will be better off when he dies and the revolution can continue.
P.S I like Castro I just feel that his paranoia is holding back the revolution.

[Brother No. 1]

As for Castro, he had good intentions, but he messed up.

When did Fidel Castro mess up on the Socialist goverment?



Cuba will be better off when he dies and the revolution can continue.

Sure....and the Revolution didnt end in the 1960s and Raul Fidels actions on Cub are a good thing.:rolleyes:

The Cuban Revolution ended and I dobut Raul Castro will make any contributions to the World Revolutionary movement.

[Oktyabr]

Ur mom is an evil villain.

[Il Medico]

When did Fidel Castro mess up on the Socialist goverment?
By not creating one.. Don't get me wrong though, it is the closest thing we got.





Sure....and the Revolution didnt end in the 1960s and Raul Fidels actions on Cub are a good thing.:rolleyes:
Communist revolutions never end until the whole world is communist. And I see your point, totalitarianism is great for a socialist country! Gold Standard!:rolleyes:


The Cuban Revolution ended and I dobut Raul Castro will make any contributions to the World Revolutionary movement.His contribution will be maintaining an example, as well as brightening up the image of communism, by not being so despotic. A habit that most socialist leaders have picked up from your hero Stalin!

[Brother No. 1]

By not creating one.. Don't get me wrong though, it is the closest thing we got


Cuba is surrounded by Capitalist/Imperialist nations, at that time and of course now, and only had the support of the CCCP. (Which Fidel Castro soon didnt like so well because of Nika) Plus with support of the CCCP China wouldnt offer any aids because of the Sino-Soviet spilt.



Communist revolutions never end until the whole world is communist.


The Revolution is the struggle against the Elite and the Cuban Revolutionaries destroyed the Capitalist elite. Che tried to spread the Revolution to South America but the heavy-CIA opperatives in South America, and due to bad luck, un-helping Revisionist Communist party, and poor supplies, Che sadly lost that battle. If you are reffering to by Communist Revolution by the World Revolution then your right for the World Revolution would make the whole world Socialist for we must go through Socialism first then Communist as stated in the Marxist theory.




totalitarianism is great for a socialist country! Gold Standard!

Oh and a Revisionist/Reformists as a "Socialist leader" is so good Socialism in that country cant fail.:rolleyes:

But this is no time for a Stalin discussion for this a thread about Che.





His contribution will be maintaining an example,

So hoping up to the US and the Elite there is an example? So slow and steady Reforms to the system is a example?




as well as brightening up the image of communism,

Now how can he do that if Communism hasnt been here? Also I am sure he is making the image brighter for the American Elite who are opening up with him.:rolleyes: But how can you make it brighter through a leader who the American public hate as much as Castro? How can you change their view by this leader? answer is: you can no matter how hard he tries he wont change the minds of the American public or the World public for that matter.




by not being so despotic. A habit that most socialist leaders have picked up from your hero Stalin!


Sure and I just hero-worship Stalin for I am nothing but a Stalinist-Cultists.:rolleyes:

Not everything you can blame is based on Joseph Stalin.



Why must you mention Stalin when this is not even the thread for him?

A changed quote from a trot who complaied, with good reason, when Trotsky was being slandered on a Non-Trotsky thread.

[LOLseph Stalin]

A habit that most socialist leaders have picked up from your hero Stalin!

Ok, wait. Since when did Stalin have anything to do with a Che thread? :rolleyes:

[Il Medico]

Ok, wait. Since when did Stalin have anything to do with a Che thread? :rolleyes:
Sorry got off topic, but me and Polish Soviet have an history regarding Stalin.:closedeyes:

[LOLseph Stalin]

Sorry got off topic, but me and Polish Soviet have an history regarding Stalin.http://www.revleft.com/vb/che-evill-villain-t18703/revleft/smilies2/closedeyes.gif

Well a Che thread isn't the place, hmm?

[Il Medico]

Well a Che thread isn't the place, hmm?
I agree, I'll try not to bring it up again.:)

[RedHal]

Considering his suppression of the Cuban Trotskyists, I can't say I am fond of him.
That said, he is a kind of Stalinoid Blaquist: He had balls of steel, knew what he wanted and was willing to go out and force the issue. He was just stupid about it, and his ends were stalinist.

yeah that stupid sonofa***** Stalinist, that bastard Che only helped in liberating the Cuban masses. Unlike the smart Trotskyists who have helped liberate.... oh wait....:(

[Communist Theory]

yeah that stupid sonofa***** Stalinist, that bastard Che only helped in liberating the Cuban masses. Unlike the smart Trotskyists who have helped liberate the kronstandt sailors.... oh wait....:(
Fixed.