Cop who killed Kelly Thomas spotted and restaurant and forced to leave

[Leftsolidarity]

http://filmingcops.com/cop-who-killed-kelly-thomas-seen-in-restaurant-americans-force-him-to-leave/



CALIFORNIA — Manuel Ramos, the cop seen on video beating Kelly Thomas to death, had to leave a place of business last weekend.

Ramos guzzles a drink before leaving the establishment. "Killer cops aren't welcome here," read the caption.

Nationwide outrage was sparked when Ramos and his partner Jay Cicinelli were found “not guilty” of murder, despite beating the mentally ill homeless man to death as he begged for his life.

Last weekend, Ramos had the nerve to show his face in public.

It happened when families and patrons were enjoying their dinner at Denny’s in California.

The last thing they expected was to be interrupted by Ramos waddling inside with a “So Cal” shirt stretched around his stomach.

They were immediately uncomfortable with his presence and began complaining.

As the complaints were made Ramos “got up and left,” according to a patron who snapped a photo of him guzzling his drink before leaving

“Killer cops aren’t welcome here,” was captioned with the photo, which is going viral online.

The patron explained what happened as follows in a report sent to We Copwatch:

“So last night at Denny’s we saw this “cop” (the one that killed Kelly Thomas) his ass SHOULD be in jail.. & thank fully the people next to him complained and he got up and left .. I hope it is like that the rest of your life going places, Kelly Thomas has no choice of doing anything he wants to do cause of you .. Enjoy your “freedom”"‘


The action has been met with strong support from thousands across the country.

As a documented murderer and coward, Ramos will certainly face this situation over and over again.

He will be forced to leave establishments, businesses will refuse him service and kick him out, and American citizens will shame him in public.

Many officers commit suicide due to intense stress levels.

“Domestic terrorist.” remarked one commenter.

Another commenter suggested “Maybe he’ll get jumped leaving a place like this someday.”

Any American who enacts justice upon Ramos would surely be hailed as a hero and honored for generations.

Before beating Kelly Thomas to death, Ramos can be heard on video saying “See these fists? They’re about to fuck you up.”

As Kelly pleaded for his life and begged for help, Ramos showed him no mercy and continued pummeling him until he died.

Watch the video here (WARNING: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC)

Picture and video can be found in link.

[Tenka]

Sucks he had to leave of his own accord rather than the establishment kicking him out, but the cappies will have anyone's business really (unless doing so would prove bad for business in general).

edit: of course the way things went is good for my faith in humanity.

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

That article is inaccurate. Thomas died a day or two after he was brought to the hospital as a result of his injuries, not while Ramos assaulted him.

I must also register my discomfort at the level of vitriol contained in the piece; it openly advocates a witchhunt against the officer. While Ramos is my opinion guilty of murder, it is the prosecution that failed here. They only relied on the videotape for evidence, and worked entirely within the interpretative guidelines of the defense. They even failed to bring all those involved to trial! That this article chooses to focus only upon the cops individually and relies on cheap emotional appeals to make its "case" is nothing short of a shameful misdirection tactic.

This is a vile piece of yellow journalism.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I'm never sure how shocked I should be by these things, but that was really beyond belief.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

http://filmingcops.com/cop-who-killed-kelly-thomas-seen-in-restaurant-americans-force-him-to-leave/

[A Revolutionary Tool]

That article is inaccurate. Thomas died a day or two after he was brought to the hospital as a result of his injuries, not while Ramos assaulted him.

I must also register my discomfort at the level of vitriol contained in the piece; it openly advocates a witchhunt against the officer. While Ramos is my opinion guilty of murder, it is the prosecution that failed here. They only relied on the videotape for evidence, and worked entirely within the interpretative guidelines of the defense. They even failed to bring all those involved to trial! That this article chooses to focus only upon the cops individually and relies on cheap emotional appeals to make its "case" is nothing short of a shameful misdirection tactic.

This is a vile piece of yellow journalism.The cops beat a man to death, why in the world would the article even be mentioning the defense made in court? The cops should have this vitriol thrown at them because they just got away with murder. I mean really you expect people here to be more angry at the defense than the cops that actually beat a homeless man to death, where are we being misdirected from? Let's go protest bad defenses?

[PhoenixAsh]

That article is inaccurate. Thomas died a day or two after he was brought to the hospital as a result of his injuries, not while Ramos assaulted him.

I must also register my discomfort at the level of vitriol contained in the piece; it openly advocates a witchhunt against the officer. While Ramos is my opinion guilty of murder, it is the prosecution that failed here. They only relied on the videotape for evidence, and worked entirely within the interpretative guidelines of the defense. They even failed to bring all those involved to trial! That this article chooses to focus only upon the cops individually and relies on cheap emotional appeals to make its "case" is nothing short of a shameful misdirection tactic.

This is a vile piece of yellow journalism.

Sorry?

The prosecutor did not fail.

This is exactly what the establishment has been doing for decades. Police brutality is structurally ignored or punished by a slap on the wrist with a stern but insincere "tsk tsk" or, worse, condoned outright. Police violence is encouraged and it is known world wide that US cops belong to the ones who are seriously prone to very quickly resort to violence in comparison with other countries.

Cops are NOT out friends. EVER.. They are willing tools of the elite and there to protect them. Everything else is incidental and for show...and we do not defend them. Period.

This officer is a murderer with a badge protected by the system. Fuck him.

That said...after these cops lives are made a well deserved mess...the system is next and needs to be held accountable. But the fact that they operated within legal boundaries does not absolve them from their personal responsibility.

[Slavic]

That article is inaccurate. Thomas died a day or two after he was brought to the hospital as a result of his injuries, not while Ramos assaulted him.

I must also register my discomfort at the level of vitriol contained in the piece; it openly advocates a witchhunt against the officer. While Ramos is my opinion guilty of murder, it is the prosecution that failed here. They only relied on the videotape for evidence, and worked entirely within the interpretative guidelines of the defense. They even failed to bring all those involved to trial! That this article chooses to focus only upon the cops individually and relies on cheap emotional appeals to make its "case" is nothing short of a shameful misdirection tactic.

This is a vile piece of yellow journalism.

Although I understand that the prosecution failed to deliver on this case, that does not mean that the legal system is working as intended and that we should ignore this outcome. Whether he was rendered guilty or not guilty, that does not negate the fact that this armed man beat an unarmed man to death and is able to walk free. Of course I am going to blame him as an individual because "He fucking beat an unarmed man to death".

Don't white wash this shit.

[PhoenixAsh]

Don't ever ever forget you can not defend yourself from a cop. Doing so will make you criminally punishable. Self defense is not an option without facing serious charges.

Cops are the enforcers of the system.

[Leftsolidarity]

That article is inaccurate. Thomas died a day or two after he was brought to the hospital as a result of his injuries, not while Ramos assaulted him.

I must also register my discomfort at the level of vitriol contained in the piece; it openly advocates a witchhunt against the officer. While Ramos is my opinion guilty of murder, it is the prosecution that failed here. They only relied on the videotape for evidence, and worked entirely within the interpretative guidelines of the defense. They even failed to bring all those involved to trial! That this article chooses to focus only upon the cops individually and relies on cheap emotional appeals to make its "case" is nothing short of a shameful misdirection tactic.

This is a vile piece of yellow journalism.

What's shameful is your discomfort at those who hate killer cops and what seems like a shy-defense of him. You, not the article, are using a misdirection tactic by putting this somehow on the fault of the prosecution. This is a murdering pig and you don't want us to "advocate a witchhunt"? I'm totally down with witchhunts.

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

What's shameful is your discomfort at those who hate killer cops and what seems like a shy-defense of him. You, not the article, are using a misdirection tactic by putting this somehow on the fault of the prosecution. This is a murdering pig and you don't want us to "advocate a witchhunt"? I'm totally down with witchhunts.


In the first place, hatred of the police does not really bother me. What I took issue with was the tone and style of the article, which fully advocated that Ramos be banned from any and all businesses that he may seek. Furthermore, the article made little or no attempt to critique the justice system itself, or why Ramos was acquitted at all. Instead it relied upon whipping up an atmosphere of rage and hysteria, at one point enthusiastically quoting somebody who implies that Ramos may be jumped the next time he went to, or left, a restaurant.

These methods and conclusions maybe commonplace in Hearst's press or the bourgeois media regarding sex scandals and the like, but it is thoroughly alien to the Marxist method.

Oh, and if you're an advocate of witch-hunts, you may want to brush up on your McCarthy.

EDIT NOTE: Since there were a lot of responses to my initial post, I'll have to wait until I have time later in the evening to respond to them all.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

His defense team, the DA, the judge, etc. are equally responsible yes but in so much as they are facilitating and perpetuating this sort of violence. The obviously did not commit this act of violence; that is on the heads of all those who carried out this act. The video evidence is all you need. In the recording you hear...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tuK66CK4p7w/Uth_EvCtuhI/AAAAAAAAD00/A8U1rBHEOpc/s1600/kelly+thomas'+pleas.jpg

That adds up to 102 crystal clear pleas for help. It's only through legal bullfuckery and esotericism can one arrive at the ludicrous conclusion that said cops in question weren't beating and bludgeoning a defenseless man to death presumably in the belief that his life is worthless and no one will care; "he's trash, look at him," mentality. I fully support the social ostracization being observed and think its wholly inaccurate to call it a "witch hunt." What is being witnessed is the social rejection of this man's behavior and the transfiguration of him from swine to pariah. How is this even remotely a "witch hunt," (which why were using such a horrific reference idk)?

Ideally this man should be institutionalized and receive treatment for his psychotic behavior because obviously there is something seriously wrong with him psychologically and he (and others like him) need to be in treatment. I also understand that these vengeful attitudes and so on can be very troubling to the individual and isn't very productive/constructive; I will not bat one eye lash to others rejecting him, harassing him, assaulting him or smokin this asshat. That's about as charitable and neutral I can be in this case.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Intense social ostracism leading to an early grave is the least this murderous shitfucker deserves. That may not be kind or rational but when it comes to power-tripping sadists who beat vulnerable people to death and then have their actions defended by the state I have zero sympathy.

[Leftsolidarity]

In the first place, hatred of the police does not really bother me.


It seems like it does if you say this:



What I took issue with was the tone and style of the article, which fully advocated that Ramos be banned from any and all businesses that he may seek.

That's a mild treatment for what he deserves. Murdering pigs should be locked up not in the streets and in society.



Furthermore, the article made little or no attempt to critique the justice system itself, or why Ramos was acquitted at all. Instead it relied upon whipping up an atmosphere of rage and hysteria, at one point enthusiastically quoting somebody who implies that Ramos may be jumped the next time he went to, or left, a restaurant.

This was from "filming cops" if I'm not mistaken. So I think they understood and think their readers already understand that the system sucks. Hysteria is not a good term to use, btw. Once again if you don't mind hatred of cops why would that bother you at all? Sounds great.



These methods and conclusions maybe commonplace in Hearst's press or the bourgeois media regarding sex scandals and the like, but it is thoroughly alien to the Marxist method.

Wasn't the bourgeois media. And what nonsense, hating cops and enjoying bashlash by the community has nothing to do with a "method". It's about hating cops and making them get what they deserve. They're enemies of the poor and oppressed and quite literally murderers.


Oh, and if you're an advocate of witch-hunts, you may want to brush up on your McCarthy.

If you didn't catch my sarcasm, I was saying your assertion of it being a "witchhunt" is ridiculous. This is bashlash against a murdering pig.

[Bea Arthur]

I can't believe all the disgusting nonsense I am seeing in this thread! Murderous pig is a redundancy. Police officers, by definition, are murderous. They are the foot soldiers of the patriarchal racist imperialist state. Killing people is what they are paid to do. ALL of them should be ostracized, their lives made miserably unlivable. Singling this particular sexist pig out implies that there are good police officers who fully deserve to be integrated with the rest of society as normal productive citizens providing a valuable service. Next thing I know, people will be expressing shock that police officers carry guns! Very liberal!!

[Leftsolidarity]

I can't believe all the disgusting nonsense I am seeing in this thread! Murderous pig is a redundancy. Police officers, by definition, are murderous. They are the foot soldiers of the patriarchal racist imperialist state. Killing people is what they are paid to do. ALL of them should be ostracized, their lives made miserably unlivable. Singling this particular sexist pig out implies that there are good police officers who fully deserve to be integrated with the rest of society as normal productive citizens providing a valuable service. Next thing I know, people will be expressing shock that police officers carry guns! Very liberal!!

Are you seriously that into the whole "I'm sooooooo much more revolutionary than everyone" thing? Did I ever say I that I have sympathy for particular pigs? Of course police are the foot soldiers of the imperialists. How does talking about and emphasizing such an extreme example of their brutality reject that? Come back to the real world for a minute.

[Bea Arthur]

Are you seriously that into the whole "I'm sooooooo much more revolutionary than everyone" thing? Did I ever say I that I have sympathy for particular pigs? Of course police are the foot soldiers of the imperialists. How does talking about and emphasizing such an extreme example of their brutality reject that? Come back to the real world for a minute.

I'm sorry you don't like being called out on your liberalism, Leftsolidarity! How else is somebody supposed to describe the view that this particular pig deserves special treatment, like what he did was a rare event. Police brutality happens everyday. Police kill innocent people everyday, in circumstances more sickening than this one. This pig deserves a fate no better and no worse than all the rest. Pretending that he deserves to be ostracized, but not all the other police, reveals a fundamentally liberal view of the police and the state they protect. If you don't like it, stop espousing liberal positions!!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I can't believe all the disgusting nonsense I am seeing in this thread! Murderous pig is a redundancy. Police officers, by definition, are murderous. They are the foot soldiers of the patriarchal racist imperialist state. Killing people is what they are paid to do.

Nope, plenty of cops, at least outside the US, can go through their careers without killing anyone. That doesn't mean there aren't plenty of other damn good reasons to consider them enemies.


ALL of them should be ostracized, their lives made miserably unlivable.

Well unfortunately for you there is a difference between what you want and what we get. For myself I'm just happy that more and more people are trusting the police less and less. It has to start somewhere.


Singling this particular sexist pig out implies that there are good police officers who fully deserve to be integrated with the rest of society as normal productive citizens providing a valuable service.

The implication is entirely in your head. The fact that there's a website in the OP concerned with filming cops pretty much establishes the fuckers can't be trusted even if they don't all murder people.


Next thing I know, people will be expressing shock that police officers carry guns! Very liberal!!

Because calling people liberals is a sure-fire way of getting them to understand the role of the police. :rolleyes:

[Leftsolidarity]

I'm sorry you don't like being called out on your liberalism, Leftsolidarity! How else is somebody supposed to describe the view that this particular pig deserves special treatment, like what he did was a rare event. Police brutality happens everyday. Police kill innocent people everyday, in circumstances more sickening than this one. This pig deserves a fate no better and no worse than all the rest. Pretending that he deserves to be ostracized, but not all the other police, reveals a fundamentally liberal view of the police and the state they protect. If you don't like it, stop espousing liberal positions!!

You're ridiculous. When did I say other pigs deserve better or that it didn't happen all the time. Do you just hate when a case actually gets attention?

[Bea Arthur]

Nope, plenty of cops, at least outside the US, can go through their careers without killing anyone. That doesn't mean there aren't plenty of other damn good reasons to consider them enemies.

So we should be easy on those pigs, and pretend they are good pigs? Yet you then pretend you are happy that people are trust the police less and less:


Well unfortunately for you there is a difference between what you want and what we get. For myself I'm just happy that more and more people are trusting the police less and less. It has to start somewhere.

Of course they are, but no thanks to people like you who want to do the pigs' work of playing good cop off vs bad cop.


The implication is entirely in your head. The fact that there's a website in the OP concerned with filming cops pretty much establishes the fuckers can't be trusted even if they don't all murder people.

Which is exactly why calling for this guy's head, but shutting up about the police who never kill anyone, is ridiculous. They all prop up a system that leads to these acts of violence although not all them might be the one to pull the trigger.


Because calling people liberals is a sure-fire way of getting them to understand the role of the police. :rolleyes:

I have explained twice why your position is liberal. At this point I am not sure any explanation can cure you of your police-loving liberalism masquerading as hipster selective outrage against only certain police officers.

[Bea Arthur]

You're ridiculous. When did I say other pigs deserve better or that it didn't happen all the time. Do you just hate when a case actually gets attention?

No. I hate the fact that all the other cases aren't getting attention, so that episodes like this become isolated and symbolic ways for you to morally position yourself as some kind of faux-revolutionary without doing the actual hard work of understanding the true nature of the scope of police violence as a step in effectively combating it. You're more interested in using the issue as a way to get good press for yourself and presumably whatever Leninist cult you belong to. It's disgusting, and you should be ashamed!!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

So we should be easy on those pigs, and pretend they are good pigs? Yet you then pretend you are happy that people are trust the police less and less:

I did not even mention any "good pigs", in fact I stated that are plenty of other reasons to consider them enemies. You are misrepresenting my argument because your own is crap.


Of course they are, but no thanks to people like you who want to do the pigs' work of playing good cop off vs bad cop.

What good cops? Quote me where I said there were any good cops. You can't because I didn't. Now grow the fuck up and admit that you were wrong.


Which is exactly why calling for this guy's head, but shutting up about the police who never kill anyone, is ridiculous.

This is me "shutting up" as you put it:


"That doesn't mean there aren't plenty of other damn good reasons to consider them enemies"




They all prop up a system that leads to these acts of violence although not all them might be the one to pull the trigger.

We all prop up the system to a greater or lesser degree. Cops do it to a greater degree than most, but not necessarily to the point of killing. Thank you for conceding the point.


I have explained twice why your position is liberal. At this point I am not sure any explanation can cure you of your police-loving liberalism masquerading as hipster selective outrage against only certain police officers.

You haven't explained shit. You've come in here full of bluster and misrepresenting the statements of other comrades and reacted in a stupid fashion when called on it.

Go on, sling yer hook!

[PhoenixAsh]

No. I hate the fact that all the other cases aren't getting attention, so that episodes like this become isolated and symbolic ways for you to morally position yourself as some kind of faux-revolutionary without doing the actual hard work of understanding the true nature of the scope of police violence as a step in effectively combating it. You're more interested in using the issue as a way to get good press for yourself and presumably whatever Leninist cult you belong to. It's disgusting, and you should be ashamed!!

I think you need to take your chill pill. The position of the forum on cops and the police is quite long established and discussed ad nauseam. We have discussed particular incidents when they were of particular interest.

You know WHY this specific case actually gets attention? Because it is one of the first times the general population ostracizes the cop. Which doesn't happen all that often.

Your hysteria is quite ridiculous.

[PhoenixAsh]

Also....this isn't a cop watch forum where we collect in full all crimes committed by cops. There are other places for that. And if there aren't...you should start one.

[Bea Arthur]

I did not even mention any "good pigs", in fact I stated that are plenty of other reasons to consider them enemies. You are misrepresenting my argument because your own is crap.



What good cops? Quote me where I said there were any good cops. You can't because I didn't. Now grow the fuck up and admit that you were wrong.



This is me "shutting up" as you put it:







We all prop up the system to a greater or lesser degree. Cops do it to a greater degree than most, but not necessarily to the point of killing. Thank you for conceding the point.



You haven't explained shit. You've come in here full of bluster and misrepresenting the statements of other comrades and reacted in a stupid fashion when called on it.

Go on, sling yer hook!

So we are in agreement, then? All police officers deserve to be ostracized by society, their lives made unlivable? Because if you don't think that, you are implying this is a bad cop compared to all the other good cops out there. That attitude goes by the name of liberalism!!

[Bea Arthur]

I think you need to take your chill pill. The position of the forum on cops and the police is quite long established and discussed ad nauseam. We have discussed particular incidents when they were of particular interest.

You know WHY this specific case actually gets attention? Because it is one of the first times the general population ostracizes the cop. Which doesn't happen all that often.

Your hysteria is quite ridiculous.

It ostracizes this police officer alone because it views this officer's behavior as aberrant. It's not. It's the kind of behavior you would expect from a man who has been entrusted with all the twisted power of a society sick with racism, sexism, and imperialism. The behavior of the people in this town isn't just compatible with liberalism. It's the RESULT of their liberalism, yet you liberals want to celebrate it!! Scratch the surface of any selfproclaimed revolutionary and you'll be surprised what you see, I guess!!

[PhoenixAsh]

So we are in agreement, then? All police officers deserve to be ostracized by society, their lives made unlivable? Because if you don't think that, you are implying this is a bad cop compared to all the other good cops out there. That attitude goes by the name of liberalism!!

:laugh:

Yup. I honestly believe not all cops should or need be ostracized. Because your "cop = ostracizing regardless or else you are a liberal" argument is fucking ridiculous.

edit: I am also going to hug a cop. Just to piss you the fuck off some more.

[Bea Arthur]

:laugh:

Yup. I honestly believe not all cops should or need be ostracized. Because your "cop = ostracizing regardless or else you are a liberal" argument is fucking ridiculous.

Your position is that not all cops are malicious and that they should therefore not be ostracized, but be allowed to go about their lives problem free by society because of their good faith service to the community. You demonized individual cops in order to let the police force as an institution off the hook in terms of your actual activism. It's hilarious that you think you're a revolutionary. What makes you think that? Did you recently receive your Democratic Party membership card from the local Phoenix office??

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

So we are in agreement, then? All police officers deserve to be ostracized by society, their lives made unlivable? Because if you don't think that, you are implying this is a bad cop compared to all the other good cops out there. That attitude goes by the name of liberalism!!

If society as a whole is in a position to ostracise all cops, then such an institution is not long for this world. Unfortunately we don't live in such a society as of yet, and thus I'm happy to see that the worst of a bad bunch is beginning to get something approaching the treatment they deserve.

People don't just suddenly transform into a revolutionary consciousness and your "more revolutionary than thou" attitude constitutes a failure to realise that fact. Worse than that, it's needlessly sanctimonious and off-putting.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I'm sorry you don't like being called out on your liberalism, Leftsolidarity! How else is somebody supposed to describe the view that this particular pig deserves special treatment, like what he did was a rare event. Police brutality happens everyday. Police kill innocent people everyday, in circumstances more sickening than this one. This pig deserves a fate no better and no worse than all the rest. Pretending that he deserves to be ostracized, but not all the other police, reveals a fundamentally liberal view of the police and the state they protect. If you don't like it, stop espousing liberal positions!!

You doth assume and protest to much dear. By socially ostracizing this man that's not singling him out for special treatment. It's making an example of him, stating this behavior will NOT be tolerated. Public humiliation, social ostracization, etc. is a more powerful tool than most realize. Human by nature are a social animal. Further, it's legal and something that you could easily get a whole community, state, country, etc. around and to support.

Not only this, if we are ever to come to a proper understanding of the psychology behind such acts and so on, what sense does it make to kill your subject and or corrupt your research via harassment and so on? I totally understand the want to beat the fuck out of this guy or kill him, I do, but these are not not rational or logical. I'm all for dead cops but come on.

[Bea Arthur]

If society as a whole is in a position to ostracise all cops, then such an institution is not long for this world. Unfortunately we don't live in such a society as of yet, and thus I'm happy to see that the worst of a bad bunch is beginning to get something approaching the treatment they deserve.

People don't just suddenly transform into a revolutionary consciousness and your "more revolutionary than thou" attitude constitutes a failure to realise that fact. Worse than that, it's needlessly sanctimonious and off-putting.

The very fact that you think this guy is the worst shows just how hopelessly sheltered and liberal your worldview really is. I've a well-traveled woman who has spent a good fraction of her life involved in combating social injustices including but not limited to police brutality. I have heard stories about the police that make this story sound like a Mother Goose rhyme. Don't let that stop you from continuing down your political path of cheerleading for the liberal individualist paradigm of pitting good cops versus bad cops, or bad cops versus worst cops. The system thrives on dupes like you!!

[Leftsolidarity]

I have explained twice why your position is liberal. At this point I am not sure any explanation can cure you of your police-loving liberalism masquerading as hipster selective outrage against only certain police officers.

At this point you are clearly not reading anything people have responded to you with. No one (that's responded to you) has played "good cop vs. bad cop". We are saying "wow, this cop beat a guy to death and people hate him for it. that's good."

Are you upset about people calling to call Zimmerman because it is only 1 particular incident of national oppression and racist murderers being let off? It's a part within the whole of spectrum of oppression.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The very fact that you think this guy is the worst shows just how hopelessly sheltered and liberal your worldview really is.

Aaand we're back to back to the baseless political insults. I honestly thought I was getting through to you.


I've a well-traveled woman who has spent a good fraction of her life involved in combating social injustices including but not limited to police brutality. I have heard stories about the police that make this story sound like a Mother Goose rhyme.

Has it occurred to you that I accept the possibility that cops can do worse things than this Kelly Thomas incident? Of course not, you'd rather call people liberals:


Don't let that stop you from continuing down your political path of cheerleading for the liberal individualist paradigm of pitting good cops versus bad cops, or bad cops versus worst cops. The system thrives on dupes like you!!

Cops are not equally bad, that's not a "liberal paradigm", that's a fact. Placing cops on a spectrum of bad to worse is not pitting them against each other, it's called having a realistic political worldview that recognises that the system needs to present a civilised facade now and again for the sake of its own survival. The system thrives not because of anything I do (or don't do) as an individual, but because the majority of the working class does not actively resist it.

Now who's the liberal? :rolleyes:

[PhoenixAsh]

It ostracizes this police officer alone because it views this officer's behavior as aberrant. It's not. It's the kind of behavior you would expect from a man who has been entrusted with all the twisted power of a society sick with racism, sexism, and imperialism. The behavior of the people in this town isn't just compatible with liberalism. It's the RESULT of their liberalism, yet you liberals want to celebrate it!! Scratch the surface of any selfproclaimed revolutionary and you'll be surprised what you see, I guess!!

They ostracize the police officer because there is a growing realization that cops are no longer functioned as they thought and increasingly violent and outrageous behaviour are systematically protected by the system and realize they are no longer being protected and need to take matters in their own hands. This is called growing consciousness.

Now I have no fucking clue who you are. My guess would be some hyped up high-school wanna be who uses platitudes to gain some "revo cred". You have no clue who the fuck I am or have a fucking clue about my history. But rather than getting in some inane pissing contest and starting to justify myself to somebody so outrageously simplistic as you....I am simply going to say this about your nice little slant of "self proclaimed": right back @ you.


Your position is that not all cops are malicious and that they should therefore not be ostracized, but be allowed to go about their lives problem free by society because of their good faith service to the community. You demonized individual cops in order to let the police force as an institution off the hook in terms of your actual activism. It's hilarious that you think you're a revolutionary. What makes you think that? Did you recently receive your Democratic Party membership card from the local Phoenix office??

Oi! Freisler,

you are a fucking hilarious excuse for a joke. What is extremely pitiful is that you yourself believe your own garbage, but that it is glaringly obvious from this thread that you are pissing next to the quite large pot ...because you haven't read a word I said.

But if you would have one ounce of intelligence you would understand why your call to ostracize all cops is simply ridiculous. Think about it...

[Leftsolidarity]

No. I hate the fact that all the other cases aren't getting attention, so that episodes like this become isolated and symbolic ways for you to morally position yourself as some kind of faux-revolutionary without doing the actual hard work of understanding the true nature of the scope of police violence as a step in effectively combating it. You're more interested in using the issue as a way to get good press for yourself and presumably whatever Leninist cult you belong to. It's disgusting, and you should be ashamed!!

None of my posts or discussion about this topic has had anything to do with the organizations I'm involved with. I hate that all the other cases don't get attention too, what's you're point? Until you give me a list of every single incident of police oppression, I'll just share them article at a time...

[PhoenixAsh]

There is a 49 million conservative estimate of the number of cops currently in the world.

Lets Ostracize them all. Where are they going to go?....

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Bea Arthur is an expert troll.

[BIXX]

No. I hate the fact that all the other cases aren't getting attention, so that episodes like this become isolated and symbolic ways for you to morally position yourself as some kind of faux-revolutionary without doing the actual hard work of understanding the true nature of the scope of police violence as a step in effectively combating it. You're more interested in using the issue as a way to get good press for yourself and presumably whatever Leninist cult you belong to. It's disgusting, and you should be ashamed!!


You are overly self-important and it seems you are purposefully trying to make it seem like people are saying and arguing things they are not.

They are happy that people are willing to stand against a "bad cop" (quotations to represent what the average person considers a bad cop), as it is a sure sign that they are at least realizing that "bad cops" exist (which is some serious new to a lot of people). Furthermore it allows us to get a foot in the door to show why all cops are bastards.

Stop playing "more revolutionary", it's a waste of time and energy and shows off your elitism.

Tl;dr fuck off and at least try to understand what people are saying.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I've a well-traveled woman who has spent a good fraction of her life involved in combating social injustices including but not limited to police brutality. I have heard stories about the police that make this story sound like a Mother Goose rhyme. Don't let that stop you from continuing down your political path of cheerleading for the liberal individualist paradigm of pitting good cops versus bad cops, or bad cops versus worst cops. The system thrives on dupes like you!!

I like long walks on the beach and I'm a jailhouse Muslim, lets be frans!

More seriously, wtf? What's your alternative? Realistically what do you propose? Am I to understand your against us as a society rejecting this man? Or involuntarily committing him? Why? Do you like cops? All your offering is a bunch of noise. Ostracization is merely one tip in a multi-pronged approach at psych ops and propaganda against law enforcement. I find your lack of faith disturbing.

[Criminalize Heterosexuality]

Bea Arthur is an expert troll.

I propose that next time they post something about feminism we all get together and mash our keyboards in feigned disgust. "ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THERE ARE GOOD RAPISTS WHO SHOULDN'T BE SHUNNED BY SOCIETY????!!!!"

Oh wait. They never post anything except this drivel.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

The prosecution really dropped the ball on this one folks, so obviously this murderer should be allowed to go about his business without pesky public opinion infereing with his god-given right to consume the breakfast skillet of his choice!

I'm glad the public made him leave rather than the business. That way he could have tricked himself into believing it was just a corporate policy issue or something else relatively benign, now he knows that everyone just thinks he's filth.

[The Jay]

That article is inaccurate. Thomas died a day or two after he was brought to the hospital as a result of his injuries, not while Ramos assaulted him.

I must also register my discomfort at the level of vitriol contained in the piece; it openly advocates a witchhunt against the officer. While Ramos is my opinion guilty of murder, it is the prosecution that failed here. They only relied on the videotape for evidence, and worked entirely within the interpretative guidelines of the defense. They even failed to bring all those involved to trial! That this article chooses to focus only upon the cops individually and relies on cheap emotional appeals to make its "case" is nothing short of a shameful misdirection tactic.

This is a vile piece of yellow journalism.

What the fuck is wrong with you? The world would be better off with that man dead and it is not just about prosecution.

[Bea Arthur]

Cops are not equally bad, that's not a "liberal paradigm", that's a fact. Placing cops on a spectrum of bad to worse is not pitting them against each other, it's called having a realistic political worldview that recognises that the system needs to present a civilised facade now and again for the sake of its own survival. The system thrives not because of anything I do (or don't do) as an individual, but because the majority of the working class does not actively resist it.

Now who's the liberal? :rolleyes:

Who is a liberal? The person who accepts at face value the civilized facade the liberal state and its goons present to society. Yes, they try to present a civilized facade, but they are by their very nature violent and lawless instruments of sexist and racist oppression. It makes no sense to divide the police force into the civilized behaving good guys and the lawless bad guys, except as an excuse for you to put on a revolutionary light show about how outraged you are about a single episode showing that, like the ruling class, the police really dont give a shit about the law except out of convenient self interest and gratification. This comes as a surprise only to a liberal.


They ostracize the police officer because there is a growing realization that cops are no longer functioned as they thought and increasingly violent and outrageous behaviour are systematically protected by the system and realize they are no longer being protected and need to take matters in their own hands. This is called growing consciousness.

Besides your wishful thinking, where do you get any idea that this case is prompting people in the town to question the police force and the liberal state as oppressive racist and sexist systems? They are lashing out at the pig because they think that he is an aberrant police officer who did not do his job. This is also the implicit logic of your posts here. Actual revolutionaries recognize that the police officer's behavior was the very essence of the system and not an outrageous exception.

Why not ostracize all cops, Phoenix? Why do you like them so much? Do you think, like some of the fake socialists here, that they are proletarian?

[PhoenixAsh]

Besides your wishful thinking, where do you get any idea that this case is prompting people in the town to question the police force and the liberal state as oppressive racist and sexist systems? They are lashing out at the pig because they think that he is an aberrant police officer who did not do his job. This is also the implicit logic of your posts here. Actual revolutionaries recognize that the police officer's behavior was the very essence of the system and not an outrageous exception.

Why not ostracize all cops, Phoenix? Why do you like them so much? Do you think, like some of the fake socialists here, that they are proletarian?

Because 49 million cops. Thats why. Add to them the 400-500 milliom family members and the 500 million actual bourgeoise we will be ostracizing (not to mention class traitors etc) and that is at the very least 1/7th of the worlds population. Which is a pretty big threat. So unless you are advocating a final solution...

...I suggest you keep your trolling to a minimum.

I am also worried about your sanity and I think it maybe time for a valiant key board revolutionary such as you who might have seen one or two trolling battles too many and needs to seek either medical or psychological attention or take a long nap. K? Good. Bye now.

[Criminalize Heterosexuality]

Because 49 million cops. Thats why. Add to them the 400-500 milliom family members and the 500 million actual bourgeoise we will be ostracizing (not to mention class traitors etc) and that is at the very least 1/7th of the worlds population. Which is a pretty big threat. So unless you are advocating a final solution...

So, wait, you actually think the revolutionary movement shouldn't alienate and/or strike at the bourgeois police?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Well doesn't the ostracizing of this one cop make people feel less distrustful of the police in general. I mean if we're going to extend this argument, if you are speaking out against an employer for taking hours off of the day you worked because they don't want to pay you overtime you're a liberal because you're not criticizing capitalism as a whole but this one employer and you're dividing up the capitalist class between good and bad cappies. Why can't you do both, criticize this single cop in this instance and be against cops in general? Nobody in here has even said cops are workers. They're not mutually exclusive things, one actually helps the other I'd think, it just looks like revolutionary posturing from you Bea Arthur.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Plus I think it takes some sort of courage to stand up to a guy that just got off the hook for beating a man to death. How many times have I been at Denny's or something to eat and a cop walks in and I want to say something but I don't? They can legally beat the shit out of me and kidnap me pretty easily for starting a confrontation telling them that I feel uncomfortable with their presence. But these people didn't have that fear, they complained about it until the pig left, I find that commendable by itself.

[#FF0000]

It is well into 2014 and people still don't realize that Bea Arthur is a flagrant troll. (Still my favorite poster, though long live bea arthur)

[Os Cangaceiros]

I remember that case. The audio of the beating/murder made me sick, it was just a horrifying video to listen to even though you never actually saw the beating itself. The police and predators in general tend to view the homeless as easy prey, it sucks. This story made me feel a bit better, though.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

It is well into 2014 and people still don't realize that Bea Arthur is a flagrant troll. (Still my favorite poster, though long live bea arthur)

Don't we ban trolls any more?

[PhoenixAsh]

So, wait, you actually think the revolutionary movement shouldn't alienate and/or strike at the bourgeois police?

Have you read anything I said?