Reactionary beliefs you used to hold

[Sinister Intents]

I'm not exactly sure where this should go so a mod can move it accordinly, Politics seemed correct IMO.

My question is RevLeft: What are reactionary beliefs that you used to hold? Also whatever state whatever else you feel is necessary for the thread.

I used to be quite sexist, I saw women as completely less than men because of assumptions on physical appearance, women being smaller they must be weaker and lesser than men. When I was younger I used mysogynistic language often when talking to women, I would say something like "Hey b***h, how are you?" or I would call the women whore randomly, but never female teachers because they were authority figures and going against authorities was wrong to me at that point. I thought of women more like they were commodities, objects, just property. I used to be excessively racist and nationalistic as well. I would pray and say the pledge to the flag daily, and I thought that the white race was superior to all, and that German Poles were the superior ones to all other people with European ancestry. In the past to me people of other races were not humans, and specifically 'Asians' were the subhumans to me, but people with darker skin were more human than them, and whites were more human because of my shitty, fucked up perception. I was so homophobic at one point that I attacked this kids fear of clowns and made him have to leave school early and he didn't come back for a few days. I used to think I was being a great American, but I was making people hate me in reality, but I didn't care, I was being a great American patriot! Who hated Muslims and would make fun of the perceived terrorists at school. I remember my mom recently telling me she was so proud of how patriotic I was and how she was proud that I was into Catholicism. I used to believe in the David Icke shit and went to Rense.com a lot as well.

Thought this thread was a good idea, a lot more I could add of things I used to believe and such, but I think I've posted enough.

[motion denied]

I used to be quite the patriot.

[Sea]

I used to be white. Sinister Intents used to thank all my posts because of it.

[Rosa Partizan]

I used to be kind of anti-feminist. I made sexist jokes all the time and got annoyed by feminists. Nowadays I think that I wanted to be liked by these sexist jackasses that were like "oh you're so laid-back about this feminist shit, that's soooo cool".

[Rugged Collectivist]

I used to be a Roman Catholic.

[Sinister Intents]

I used to be a Roman Catholic.

I be Ex Catholic as well :) I started a group for that

[CECE]

I used to be somewhat of a French Nationalist holding nothing but contempt for all the Maghrebi/African immigrants in France believing that they were destroying French culture.

[Wonton Carter]

Due to my parents, I was a Tea Party nut when I was 15-16. Soon to be 20, for the record.

[Future]

I used to be a Christian and patriotic. In general, I was a....a...oh boy. It's hard to say this. I used to be a li.....uh....I used to be a....a....lib.....oh boy. A liberal. :crying:

[Rosa Partizan]

Oh yeah, I used to somehow tend to catholicism. When I was 14, I was like, the Bible is cool and I'm gonna lose my virginity after marriage. Obviously, it didn't work out. Good for me.

[Atsumari]

I use to be a /b/tard and a Sam Harris fanboy.

[Sinister Intents]

I use to be a /b/tard and a Sam Harris fanboy.

Huh?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Huh?

Someone who posts on failchan's /b/ board.

I used to be on there too, in 2005. Embarrassing times.

[Sinister Intents]

Someone who posts on failchan's /b/ board.

I used to be on there too, in 2005. Embarrassing times.

Ahhhh gotcha! I'll have to reasearch into that perhaps...

[Atsumari]

Ahhhh gotcha! I'll have to reasearch into that perhaps...
You will learn a lot about Ron Paul fans while you are at it

[Sinister Intents]

You will learn a lot about Ron Paul fans while you are at it

How do they compare to David Icke fans? (I used to love that shit, good I barely remember anything about it :))

[Atsumari]

In many cases, they are the same people

[Sinister Intents]

In many cases, they are the same people

4chan is stupid, or idk what to think..., enough said haha.

[CECE]

4chan is stupid, or idk what to think..., enough said haha.

It's a lot more than stupid. It's like the cesspool of the internet were the most notorious trolls are born and breed like Uruk Hai.

[Sinister Intents]

It's a lot more than stupid. It's like the cesspool of the internet were the most notorious trolls are born and breed like Uruk Hai.

Urge to troll them until I get banned.... Is that recommended? Should I waste my time trying to piss them off?

[Atsumari]

Urge to troll them until I get banned.... Is that recommended? Should I waste my time trying to piss them off?
It is more than people being stupid. It is people spewing racism and upholding it as a means to fight against the PC Police. It is a place where being "politically incorrect" is the same as being a freedom fighting in the name of comedy and LOLZ.

Try having a conversation with these people about affirmative action and "reverse racism" with them in a serious manner

[CECE]

Urge to troll them until I get banned.... Is that recommended? Should I waste my time trying to piss them off?

How good of a troll are you? Because chances are in your attempt to troll you would be trolled. And not just on the internet. They would find you and everyone you love. 4chan is not to be trifled with. :closedeyes:

[Sinister Intents]

It is more than people being stupid. It is people spewing racism and upholding it as a means to fight against the PC Police. It is a place where being "politically incorrect" is the same as being a freedom fighting in the name of comedy and LOLZ.

Try having a conversation with these people about affirmative action and "reverse racism" with them in a serious manner


How good of a troll are you? Because chances are in your attempt to troll you would be trolled. And not just on the internet. They would find you and everyone you love. 4chan is not to be trifled with. :closedeyes:

Based on what you both have said, I will not be trying to irritate them, it sounds fatal... I will however out of morbid curiousity explore 4chan.

On a side note another way I used to be reactionary was how I used to be very anticommunist, and there was this one student who I would call commie and shit, but he was a conservative, and I'd call him racist things as well

[JudasMaiden]

I use to be a free-market Libertarian until the beginning of August 2013, when I started reading these forums a lot more.

[CECE]

Based on what you both have said, I will not be trying to irritate them, it sounds fatal... I will however out of morbid curiousity explore 4chan.

On a side note another way I used to be reactionary was how I used to be very anticommunist, and there was this one student who I would call commie and shit, but he was a conservative, and I'd call him racist things as well

I'm a little drunk so I may have exaggerated a little but I stand by what I said. Some people's lives have been legitimately messed up by that community. But I digress...

I used to be quite the racist myself. :unsure:

[Futility Personified]

Used to be a racist, classist, homophobe.... I've graduated to becoming a misanthrope, a distinction made more gracious by the pursuit of disdain for all humanity to be shared, as according to his ability, according to his need.

[Taters]

creationist

weren't my fault

I'm pretty sure that's genuinely reactionary

[Crabbensmasher]

I used to have a bit of a weird interest in free market capitalism. I wasn't into the Tea Party crap by any means, but I thought free market economics were pretty cool. I totally bought that shit about 'The voluntary, free exchange of goods and services for profit, is soo non-coercive man'. Voluntary my fucking ass.

I was by no means dogmatic, so I guess you could say I dabbled in it for a few months, but still, it scares me. I look back at some of the theories, and I'm like, 'Holy shit, this is absolute horseshit'.

On the plus side, I learned a lot about economics! Ooh, and I can play a mean devil's advocate in any political/economic discussion.

[Sinister Intents]

creationist

weren't my fault

But most leftists are creationists :rolleyes:

[Bala Perdida]

I was racist in when I was 12. Sometimes outspoken racist. I was also a Mexican Nationalist up until last year. A homophobe until I was 14 or so. Now I hate myself, for being so out spoken. Mostly my young acting out of the racist and homophobic elements. The Mexican Nationalism was mostly a glorification of culture and countered the wall of American Nationalism I was constantly pushed against. Nonetheless putting one group of people over the rest was later revealed to be a bad practice. I later learned how to combat the American government with a much wider range of people, and that Americans where not at fault since there is a constant flow of propaganda pumped in through the media. Also seeing the government of my "homeland" be "a puppy dog to the empire" showed me that not them or any other nation was worth defending or promoting.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

Urge to troll them until I get banned.... Is that recommended? Should I waste my time trying to piss them off?

Trolling 4chan is like pissing in an ocean of piss

[Leonid Brozhnev]

Eh, I used to be a bit of a nationalist and casual racist, not that there were many people to be racist to in a rural area where 99.9% of the population are white. I became pretty hostile to Mulims at one point, despite knowing none, took me getting called out for it and being unable to defend my views that made me realise I was just parroting the ill-informed prejudice of those around me. I acknowledge when I'm wrong more often these days, listen more, talk less, and never forget to question everything.

[Sabot Cat]

Urge to troll them until I get banned.... Is that recommended? Should I waste my time trying to piss them off?

The easiest way to get banned without breaking any federal laws or murdering your soul is posting ponies outside of the /mlp/ board. Or claiming to be underage.

I used to browse the less offensive boards there, it wasn't too bad but there isn't really anything there to make you come back to it.

[Brotto Rühle]

I used to be a trot.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I used to be very jingoistic. One of those "let's just nuke the middle east" type people. Also pretty bigoted when it came to the gay community. But I had pretty much changed all of those attitudes by the time I was a sophomore, so about 6 years ago.

[TheCommunistManifestor]

i used to be a liberal (some would say i still am) until i read the communist manifesto about 2 months ago. Also i was a christian until 2 years ago.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

I used to be an AnCap.

.....The less I think about those days, the better.

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

Well, I used to definitely be one of those patriotic American types. I was also a Christian, like hardcore. It's ok to be Christian, but I think I took it way too far. I also blindly supported everything that the USA did. I supported Republicans. It's really embarrassing to say this, lol. I held those views out of complete ignorance. Literally the second I began to open my mind (which included smoking weed), and began reading, I rejected all of those views and became apolitical. Then, finally, I became an anarchist after some more research. And then finally I solidified that into anarcho-communism.

Oh, and here's the funniest part. I used to be a bit homophobic too. That was before I uhh, figured myself out. And guess what? I'M GAY.

[DasFapital]

I attended a charismatic Christian church as a kid. Christian Zionism, homophobia, patriarchy. The whole nine yards really.

[TheCommunistManifestor]

Well, I used to definitely be one of those patriotic American types. I was also a Christian, like hardcore. It's ok to be Christian, but I think I took it way too far. I also blindly supported everything that the USA did. I supported Republicans. It's really embarrassing to say this, lol. I held those views out of complete ignorance. Literally the second I began to open my mind (which included smoking weed), and began reading, I rejected all of those views and became apolitical. Then, finally, I became an anarchist after some more research. And then finally I solidified that into anarcho-communism.

Oh, and here's the funniest part. I used to be a bit homophobic too. That was before I uhh, figured myself out. And guess what? I'M GAY.
This may be offensive, but how did you just suddenly realize that you were gay? Wouldn't you have always been attracted to men or were you in denial. I am currently being accused of being gay but i would consider myself an open minded straight guy that would experiment with gay things.

[tachosomoza]

^ Why would you say you're being "accused" of something that's not a crime and not something that decent people consider bad?

[TheCommunistManifestor]

In my town gay people are kicked out of social circles and people use the word "faggot" as an insult. I get physically and mentally bullied because assholes think i am gay.

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

This may be offensive, but how did you just suddenly realize that you were gay? Wouldn't you have always been attracted to men or were you in denial. I am currently being accused of being gay but i would consider myself an open minded straight guy that would experiment with gay things.

In hindsight, I was always attracted to men. So yes, basically denial. Looking back, I definitely was always gay obviously. But I suppressed it to the point of deluding myself into thinking I was straight because of the environment around me. And said environment also ironically made me homophobic. It seems strange I know, but I think I had those beliefs because of self hatred because of what society told me was wrong.

[DOOM]

Someone who posts on failchan's /b/ board.

I used to be on there too, in 2005. Embarrassing times.

Oh god please stop, b is somehow alright but /pol/ is the cesspool of stupidity.
All those fucking holocaust denial threads, "huurrr fascism is ok : DDD, fuck gommies : DD" and the "anarcho"-capitalists trying to convince everybody how cool and liberal they are.

[DOOM]

I used to be a socDem. (You know, most of them are quite unsure about communism so they choose the "light" version. They're not bad people, they simply don't understand). I for example wasn't really sure back then what communism was. I saw the problems and the struggling but I didn't understand how to solve this problems. However, when I started to surf on some boards I went to understand the principles of communism better and better. I shifted from marxism to somewhere between marxism and anarchism. But I don't like to put myself in boxes.
I also used to be somehow an anti-feminist. I denied the existence of the patriarchy and the rape culture. However, I fixed that too.:D

[Diirez]

I used to be a homophobic, atheists are all evil, devout Catholic. I thought Communism was inherently wrong and is a system that takes away everything you own, gives it to the government and the government just slaughters everyone. I also thought it was a system where everyone had to wear the same clothes, drive the same thing..etc. (I was actually taught that)

Obviously that didn't stick. Once I got into politics and religion I left Catholicism ad became a staunch liberal. My views shifted even more when I learned all the lies I was taught about Socialism and Communism.

[consuming negativity]

A few of the more tell-tale things:

1. I was happy when war was declared on Iraq.
2. I made women/kitchen/sandwich jokes.
3. When the topic of gay marriage came up seriously, my response was to laugh and say "why the hell would you want to do that?"

Was never really a proper reactionary so much as a dumb kid/teenager who hadn't been exposed to any other ideas or beliefs. Still pretty embarrassing that I thought that way, though.

[Buttscratcher]

I used to be a social democrat when I was about 16.

[Manic Impressive]

2. I made women/kitchen/sandwich jokes.
I take it that the jokes weren't satire or irony. Still a massive exaggeration of the word reactionary. Which is to move society backwards.


3. When the topic of gay marriage came up seriously, my response was to laugh and say "why the hell would you want to do that?"
The correct Marxist position as far as I'm concerned for anyone considering marriage.

[ArisVelouxiotis]

Used to be a fanatic football fan.Then realised how stupid it was to fanatically support companies.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

i was quite racist and sexist when i was a builder but i now know that i was just uninformed and that my ideas were a product of my environment - construction has a lot of reactionaries and we all read the sun at lunchtime, wolf-whistled at girls and talked about how we disliked immigrants.

[Sinister Intents]

In seventh grade I thought Hitler was a good man because of shit my grandfather would tell me. He glorified the Nazis and the holocaust. I used to think that the world needs a new holocaust, kill them all and enslave the n***ers....

I feel shame for believing that trash

[DOOM]

A few of the more tell-tale things:

1. I was happy when war was declared on Iraq.
2. I made women/kitchen/sandwich jokes.
3. When the topic of gay marriage came up seriously, my response was to laugh and say "why the hell would you want to do that?"

Was never really a proper reactionary so much as a dumb kid/teenager who hadn't been exposed to any other ideas or beliefs. Still pretty embarrassing that I thought that way, though.

Even if they weren't sexist, they're still horrible.
How can one think these jokes are funny?
Damn

[Sabot Cat]

I used to be a Christian, and I wanted to be a minister at a church after going to college for theology. I was kind of confused why anyone else would have differing priorities if they believed God was real. After being disheartened by my failed forays into apologetics, and through being convinced by some online friends that there is no valid epistemology that can support my beliefs, I went from a Christian to a deist to an atheist. Similarly, I went from a conservative to a liberal to a social democrat to a communist in a relatively short space of time due to my philosophical and sociological studies.

[Comrade Jacob]

"Hurr durr Communism is worse than Nazism"
"Hurr durr we need to cut down on immigration"
The typical.

[Queen Mab]

I used to be a 'liberal hawk'. Believed in invading poor countries to free the shit out of their womenfolk. I thought the invasion of Iraq was a good idea that was just badly implemented.

[Rugged Collectivist]

wolf-whistled at girls and talked about how we disliked immigrants.

Wolf whistled? Interesting. Where I'm from we call it cat calling. I've also noticed the hating on immigrants thing. My dad does landscaping so he used to take me into neighborhoods that were still under construction. When I was a kid I remember using a "portapotty" in front of a construction site and seeing "Mexican bubble bath" written in sharpie with an arrow pointing into the toilet.

On an unrelated note I also used to be a monarchist, though that was after I became an atheist.

[Sinister Intents]

You know life isn't worth it so tmw "m a piece of shit i Sould fucking die. I hficng hat liefe so mcuh. Life istn't worth it at lalla especilly in Cptialist America I have to die

[Sinister Intents]

I'm fshould kil myslelf

[Rugged Collectivist]

I'm fshould kil myslelf

Please don't.

[Sabot Cat]

I'm fshould kil myslelf

No, you shouldn't. Death is not a threshold to be passed for the relief of suffering, which is what you're probably really after. There is no relief in death. There isn't anything in death but a silent void and the shadow of what your life could have been. We need you here, and I can guarantee that there are people who care about you, because I do.

[Sinister Intents]

Please don't.
Wyj?di
Life isn't worth it

[Sinister Intents]

LIfle isn't fusicnling worht it

[Sabot Cat]

Wyj?di
Life isn't worth it

There are no objective valuations of anything. The idea of worthiness is just one of the many ways we react to life. There is no reason to assert that life isn't worth it. Life is everything, and most problems one could have are temporal. As long as you live the suffering will be mitigated, and you'll find that all of the depression and dread you once had were not eternal unless you make them that way by impeding the path to any possible happiness later on.

Obligatory suicide hotline number: 1-800-273-8255

[Le Socialiste]

I used to be a trot.

You've been a member long enough to know why shit like this is unacceptable (or at least, you should). Have a Verbal Warning.

[Tenka]

I used to be some kind of wannabe-Maoist when I started having political thoughts at all (edit: I just saw the above post and this is not tendency baiting so don't warn me, please). Also, when I first realised "lol there's no god..." I used to romanticise death, feeding the worms, etcetera. Such foolish romanticism is common among New Atheists, I think. Now I'd live forever if I could. I wanna outlive the fucking sun.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

I grew up in a heavily patriarchic, nationalist town. No foreigners and almost everyone either catholic or protestant.
I know a lot of sexist and ethnicity jokes which still come up in certain situations (although i never utter them). They make me cringe.

Working in a predominantly male environment doesn't help either.
I now am known as a political correct person and kind of a killjoy. (if that is joy, i'd kill it everytime :grin: )

[Sinister Intents]

^^^ As per jokes like that I change them around to be used on fascists. Like a racist joke my father uses against people with higher melanin concentrations or how he flips it around to the Amish.
I change it to "what's the difference between a dead dog in the road, and a dead Nazi in the Road?"

My dad replied to this with there are skid marks leading up to the dog and the Nazi has been run over repeatedly

[Ritzy Cat]

I used to be religious, I used to think America was the best, I used think that the police actually did something that wasn't repressive

[Quail]

This is definitely going to lose me some feminism points. :lol:

When I was younger (early teens I guess) I used to be against abortion. I personally would find it very difficult to go through with an abortion and would probably only do so in extreme circumstances. So it seemed "wrong" to me at the time because I was basically projecting my own feelings about it onto everyone else, if that makes sense. Obviously over time though I came to realise how essential it is for people to have free access to abortion.

Other than that, my views have never been particularly reactionary. I probably parroted a few shitty opinions from my parents when I was younger but I don't remember anything specific. I've tried to stand up to sexism, homophobia and racism for as long as I can remember.

[Nakidana]

Used to be homophobic.

Also in high school I didn't believe in evolution for some reason. I used to joke about it all the time with this religious Christian guy. How it didn't make sense, there is no way wings could've developed etc. We thought we were sooo fucking clever. If I could, I would go back in time and have a nice little chat with my former smug self. :grin:

[Einkarl]

Oh god please stop, b is somehow alright but /pol/ is the cesspool of stupidity.
All those fucking holocaust denial threads, "huurrr fascism is ok : DDD, fuck gommies : DD" and the "anarcho"-capitalists trying to convince everybody how cool and liberal they are.

Admittedly I still visit /b/ almost out of habit and then feel shitty about myself immediately for doing so. Most people on /b/ are super edgy cool cats; I saw a thread there yesterday about how it was "retarded to feel empathy". Randoids abound aswell.

Other boards like /a/ are okay if you're into specific things like anime.

[E-Shock Executioner]

I'm not exactly sure where this should go so a mod can move it accordinly, Politics seemed correct IMO.

My question is RevLeft: What are reactionary beliefs that you used to hold? Also whatever state whatever else you feel is necessary for the thread.

I used to be quite sexist, I saw women as completely less than men because of assumptions on physical appearance, women being smaller they must be weaker and lesser than men. When I was younger I used mysogynistic language often when talking to women, I would say something like "Hey b***h, how are you?" or I would call the women whore randomly, but never female teachers because they were authority figures and going against authorities was wrong to me at that point. I thought of women more like they were commodities, objects, just property. I used to be excessively racist and nationalistic as well. I would pray and say the pledge to the flag daily, and I thought that the white race was superior to all, and that German Poles were the superior ones to all other people with European ancestry. In the past to me people of other races were not humans, and specifically 'Asians' were the subhumans to me, but people with darker skin were more human than them, and whites were more human because of my shitty, fucked up perception. I was so homophobic at one point that I attacked this kids fear of clowns and made him have to leave school early and he didn't come back for a few days. I used to think I was being a great American, but I was making people hate me in reality, but I didn't care, I was being a great American patriot! Who hated Muslims and would make fun of the perceived terrorists at school. I remember my mom recently telling me she was so proud of how patriotic I was and how she was proud that I was into Catholicism. I used to believe in the David Icke shit and went to Rense.com a lot as well.

Thought this thread was a good idea, a lot more I could add of things I used to believe and such, but I think I've posted enough.

Well

I didn't give a shit about the world revolving around me.

That was about my intire reactionary life.

[Sinister Intents]

Well

I didn't give a shit about the world revolving around me.

That was about my intire reactionary life.

Huh? I'm rather hungover, could you explain what you just posted

[E-Shock Executioner]

The thread questioned past reactionary beliefs

I used to not care about the world

Pretty much sums it up.

[Sinister Intents]

The thread questioned past reactionary beliefs

I used to not care about the world

Pretty much sums it up.

Ahhhh I see, I used to not care as well, but in what way did you not care exactly? Just in general?

[E-Shock Executioner]

Ahhhh I see, I used to not care as well, but in what way did you not care exactly? Just in general?

I thought the time of suffering and death was over, that things would only get better and better and there was no worry about anything

Then I read about the market...

[L.A.P.]

I once heard about a single-mother WalMart employee crying because she didn't qualify for additional benefits and I was all like "I don't get it, why is her being a single mom walmarts problem?"

I used to like bill Maher and theamazingatheist, pro-capital punishment, was once a Stalinist, and held prejudiced attitudes towards BDSM culture

[ArisVelouxiotis]

Wolf whistled? Interesting. Where I'm from we call it cat calling. I've also noticed the hating on immigrants thing. My dad does landscaping so he used to take me into neighborhoods that were still under construction. When I was a kid I remember using a "portapotty" in front of a construction site and seeing "Mexican bubble bath" written in sharpie with an arrow pointing into the toilet.

On an unrelated note I also used to be a monarchist, though that was after I became an atheist.

Dont know If I'm missing a joke here what does being monarchist have to to do with atheism?

[SouthProle]

You will learn a lot about Ron Paul fans while you are at it


I laughed out loud when I read this.


I used to post on /b/ and /pol/ (and still do on /pol/, to fight with the fascists and lolbertarians), and there are a TON of Ron Paul fans on there. And people say Marxists are dogmatic :rolleyes:


Until the age age of 17, I was heavily indoctrinated by my parents. The usual--immigrants are destroying our culture, government is out to crush the individual, rich people holding wealth is "natural"...all that bullshit.


That stopped after about half a semester at a public university. I shudder to think what I would have become if I had not taken the initiative to try to transfer out of my CC.

[Goblin]

I used to be a "men's rights activist" :unsure:

[Delenda Carthago]

I used to listen to Backstreet Boys.

[Sabot Cat]

I used to listen to Backstreet Boys.

This is the worst one yet, bar none. Nobody should want it that way.

[Kazu]

I don't know, I used to be more mainstream in my politics. Then I realized how the mainstream treats women, and it was a blow. It was hell, and still is hell. I posted on a forum full of what I thought was diverse political views but it was just conservatives and liberals. Both conservatives and liberals attacked me in a sexist manner if I disagreed with them and it even upgraded to stalking and harassment.

[Q]

Moved from /politics to /chit-chat. The subject fits better here after consulting with another BA member.

[Il Medico]

like, all of them.

[Il Medico]

I used to listen to Backstreet Boys.
This too. I don't know whats more embarrassing, my brief flirtation with fascism or my boy band phase. :lol:

[Marshal of the People]

I'm fshould kil myslelf I would rather you didn't. I like you.

[Marshal of the People]

I used to be a weird mix of conservatism and social democracy.

EDIT: I also had extreme authoritarian tendencies.

[Art Vandelay]

I was a stirnerite for a bit when I went through a period in my later teens, where I became incredibly pessimistic at the possibility of revolution. I've predominantly considered myself a Marxist since about 14 years old, but my first year of university I kinda went off the ultra-left deep end. Its not exactly 'reactionary' but whatever. I'm sure I held some shitty opinions when I was younger, but none come rushing to mind at the moment.

[Thirsty Crow]

I used to hold a kind of a Nietzschean ubermensch notion on the supposed conflict between the dull and stupid masses and great men. Though, in my defense, never did that appear in a racialized manner.

Though, to admit, I still do think that this kind of a Nietscheanism can be usful and not at all reactionary (though modified to a great extent).

[Rosa Partizan]

I used to think that eating meat, dairy and eggs was alright and that animals existed for this reason anyway.

[Queen Mab]

I used to think that eating meat, dairy and eggs was alright and that animals existed for this reason anyway.

You think eating cheese is reactionary?

[ArisVelouxiotis]

I used to think that eating meat, dairy and eggs was alright and that animals existed for this reason anyway.

Should I feel bad for eating meat?

[Rosa Partizan]

You think eating cheese is reactionary?


Should I feel bad for eating meat?

yes to both quotes.

Well, I'm no obtrusive, pushy vegan going around feeling better than non-vegans. But I do believe that in an educated, enlightened, emancipated society, exploiting animals for your own indulgence has no place. However, everyone has to find this out for oneself, I don't have any educational responsibility for non-vegans. However, I'm glad when they turn to me asking about it.

[Queen Mab]

yes to both quotes.

Well, I'm no obtrusive, pushy vegan going around feeling better than non-vegans. But I do believe that in an educated, enlightened, emancipated society, exploiting animals for your own indulgence has no place. However, everyone has to find this out for oneself, I don't have any educational responsibility for non-vegans. However, I'm glad when they turn to me asking about it.

Is it reactionary for the lion to eat an antelope?

[Thirsty Crow]

yes to both quotes.

Well, I'm no obtrusive, pushy vegan going around feeling better than non-vegans. You are, in effect, since you've got no problem with telling people they ought to be ashamed of eating meat. You obviously are feeling much better because your position of moral superiority is clearly showing.

[Rosa Partizan]

Is it reactionary for the lion to eat an antelope?

So does the lion have any choice? Can he go to the supermarket and choose something different? Does he keep animals in mass stocks? Yeah, so that answers any analogy between animals and human beings.


You are, in effect, since you've got no problem with telling people they ought to be ashamed of eating meat. You obviously are feeling much better because your position of moral superiority is clearly showing.

My "yes" was kind of trolling on purpose. Meat eating people can be absolutely warmhearted, compassioned and committed in any other aspect. Still, exploiting animals will never ever be okay.

[Il Medico]

yes to both quotes.

Well, I'm no obtrusive, pushy vegan going around feeling better than non-vegans.
Ah yes, because people who use words like 'enlightened' and 'educated' to describe their dietary choices aren't snobbish at all. :rolleyes:

[Rosa Partizan]

to me, this is no dietary choice like "diet coke or normal coke" or "less fat or less sugar". Get your facts about industrial livestock farming together. I really don't get why empathy should just be limited towards human beings.

[Rugged Collectivist]

Dont know If I'm missing a joke here what does being monarchist have to to do with atheism?

Not much. I said earlier in the thread that I was a Roman Catholic and I wanted to specify that I was a monarchist after I became an atheist.


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[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Tbh the only thing I can think of is using sexist language with the idea of 'reclaiming' words and so on. Namely the 'B' and C-word. Past that I've pretty much always been like this and by this I mean positively mad, lol.

[#FF0000]

You are, in effect, since you've got no problem with telling people they ought to be ashamed of eating meat. You obviously are feeling much better because your position of moral superiority is clearly showing.

Obvs I think most people recognize that good food (let alone vegan food) is out of reach for a lot of people. I think it's kind of hard to argue though, from an ethical standpoint, that slaughtering animals for food at this point is a bad thing.

(I am eating meat as I post this even though I know better)

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

Okay, we must stop this before this turns into a vegan/meat-eater beef (sorry for the pun).

I don't think meat-eating is reactionairy. Eating meat is not delaying or working against a revolution (imo).

I do think however that veganism probably is best practice (even though i still eat meat).

Can we stop this discussion now? Or discuss it in another topic?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Okay, we must stop this before this turns into a vegan/meat-eater beef (sorry for the pun).

I don't think meat-eating is reactionairy. Eating meat is not delaying or working against a revolution (imo).

I do think however that veganism probably is best practice (even though i still eat meat).

Can we stop this discussion now? Or discuss it in another topic?

No, that's silly. I eat meat (though its from halal or hunted sources) and think humans (like most primates) are omnivorous however I still think its pretty shitty and the whole meat, fur, fishing, etc. industry is fucked. Further, I do agree with vegans and vegetarians that eating meat is probably reactionary. The revolution is more than just the liberation and the rights of human persons but should also at the same time include non-human persons as well. Why we have to be lazer focused on factory life is beyond me.

[Sinister Intents]

Whoever moved this page to chit chat, thanks for dropping my post count :glare:

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Eating meat is reactionary(lol) but what about pets? I have a dog, I love him very much. Even if I try to be oppressive and order him around he never listens :lol:

[RedAnarchist]

I used to be xenophobic towards Australians because my grand aunt was injured in a car accident there. I know that sounds silly, but I was a kid at the time.

[L.A.P.]

The revolution is more than just the liberation and the rights of human persons but should also at the same time include non-human persons as well.

liberation of animals only insofar as it would end the commodification of them. Would probably still entail the gathering and subsequent mass killing of them


we have to be lazer focused on factory life is beyond me.

because Marxism....

[1848]

I used to be a patriot and an anti-feminist.
The more I learn about my country--America--the less I've learned to "love" it. As for my previously held anti-feminism, I originally thought of women/girls as materialistic and selfish based on the model that my own mother set for me; I had thought women were incapable of anything revolutionary and merely cared about themselves. However, I've talked to many women who consider themselves feminist and I've learned of many great accomplishments of women (such as the settlement houses in Progressive America) and I've grown to realise their importance in society.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I went through a brief period for a few months where I was libertarian(yes, the North American definition). Alongside that I also adopted zionist, anti-abortion, and other reactionary views. Thankfully I saw the error of my ways and went back to the left.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

liberation of animals only insofar as it would end the commodification of them. Would probably still entail the gathering and subsequent mass killing of them

ew, Wtf? Why? For what purpose?


because Marxism....

Marx schmarx, I'm srs.

[Tenka]

ew, Wtf? Why? For what purpose?


There is a demand for meat, so widespread, that to satisfy it would require industrial-scale slaughter of animals.

I guess the DotP could put a stop to all animal-farming operations and educate people on the tastiness of vegan alternatives and moral degeneracy of being omnivorous, but it doesn't seem that important.

[motion denied]

If I can't eat meat, it's not my revolution.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

There is a demand for meat, so widespread, that to satisfy it would require industrial-scale slaughter of animals.

I guess the DotP could put a stop to all animal-farming operations and educate people on the tastiness of vegan alternatives and moral degeneracy of being omnivorous, but it doesn't seem that important.

So, the revolution to you doesn't imply the redistribution of food stuffs and how we obtain those? I don't see how this non-human animal holocaust is needed or why such an idea is being lampooned and being treated in jest. Das sad. :(

[Tenka]

So, the revolution to you doesn't imply the redistribution of food stuffs and how we obtain those?

Of course it does. But people will still need a sustainable way of obtaining meat, since the majority of people are omnivorous. Hunting is not sustainable unless it is controlled to such a degree that the wild is practically a farm for humanity; ergo, farming is necessary. Not necessarily the way we do it today.


I don't see how this non-human animal holocaust is needed or why such an idea is being lampooned and being treated in jest. Das sad.

I doubt we will kill any more non-animals than we do today! I am an avowed speciesist so the lives of non-human animals matter to me only insofar as they are adorable or we depend on them (directly or indirectly).

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

TBH, i think the meatindustry will solve itself in communist society.

People will always want for clean toilets so they clean 'em.
How many people do you think will like meat so much they will go and kill and slaughter an animal themsleves?

I won't.

[Criminalize Heterosexuality]

I believed in "color-blindness", "gender-blindness" etc. oh god that was embarrassing.


TBH, i think the meatindustry will solve itself in communist society.

People will always want for clean toilets so they clean 'em.
How many people do you think will like meat so much they will go and kill and slaughter an animal themsleves?

I won't.

Well I don't imagine anyone who wants a bike would have to work in an aluminum smelting facility either, so why is the meat industry any different?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Of course it does. But people will still need a sustainable way of obtaining meat, since the majority of people are omnivorous.

No, presumably there will be a need for food which is filling, nutrituous and tasty. This doesn't necessarily equal meat or the slaughtering of animals wholesale. To be perfectly frank, even as is, we have enough resources to feed every man, woman and child and feed them food which is vegan. Vegan burgers for everyone. I also don't think it's desirable or necessary to just kill a shit ton of a given animal (lets go with pig) and feed it to the masses if said meat is way unhealthy. Now that wouldn't be very responsible for us to do as a society post-revolution, now would it? Of course it wouldn't, silly goose.


Hunting is not sustainable unless it is controlled to such a degree that the wild is practically a farm for humanity; ergo, farming is necessary. Not necessarily the way we do it today.

To a degree, I would agree, farming is necessary however present factory farming and or some hypothetical non-human animal holocaust isn't.


I doubt we will kill any more non-animals than we do today!

This isn't comforting and is most definitely not acceptable.


I am an avowed speciesist so the lives of non-human animals matter to me only insofar as they are adorable or we depend on them (directly or indirectly).

Ok, what about biodiversity? Ecology? Etc? None of these matter or of a concern to you? I don't understand this logic, it's all wonky.

[Il Medico]

People will always want for clean toilets so they clean 'em.
How many people do you think will like meat so much they will go and kill and slaughter an animal themsleves?

I won't.
So what you're saying is that in the future society you propose if someone wants a salad they're gonna have to grow a large and varied vegetable garden? Or if they want good shoes on their feet they're gonna have to take up a hobby in cobbling? That's fucking dumb. Regardless of whether we live in capitalism or not, there is always gonna be a high demand for meat and there will be people who produce it for the rest of society. The only difference will be how it is gone about.

[Sinister Intents]

I fucking pissed off at the person who moved this thread :mad:

[RealYehuda]

I used to be a right-wing black nationalist now I am left wing.

[Marshal of the People]

I fucking pissed off at the person who moved this thread :mad:I don't think it should have been moved either comrade but we aren't mods so we don't have a say in it. You could request it be moved back by a mod.