How anarchism in one country might work

[xxxxxx666666]

I understand most of you don't believe in anarchism or socialism in one country can work but hear me out:

I think it may work, and if it survives and be an example to the rest of the world for the downfall of capitalism!

But capitalist countries will try to break it down and it will be forced to become a capitalist country over time, you may say.

But what if there are no leaders thus it wouldn't fall under the leadership (dictatorship) of one man or women?

And what if this Socialism in one Country could defend itself, again, without the "iron will" of some leader?

This has been done (the leaderless part I mean), though little know:

Historically, there has been some semi leaderless resistance movements who have succeeded (and failed too)

"As a result, leaderless resistance cells are largely insusceptible to informants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informant) and traitors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traitor). As there is neither a center that may be destroyed, nor links between the cells that may be infiltrated, it is more difficult for established authorities to arrest the development of a leaderless resistance movement than more conventional hierarchies."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaderless_resistance

So I think an leaderless country may pave the way for an anarchist future.

Also, to look at a different species look at social insects, like ants and termites, contrary to what some may think the queen doesn't control the colony so there are no "leader" or authority in an ant or termite colony, the workers lead themselves.

"The term "queen" is not particularly apt, as the queen ant has very little control over the colony as a whole. She has no known authority or decision-making control; instead her sole function is to reproduce."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant_queen

And ant and termites work together in a form of swarm intelligence so there isn't a leader so to speak, and it may also work with humans if everyone will corporate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarm_intelligence


And in the event of a military invasion, the solution would be let's say that this anarchism in one country has volunteers who train and equip themselves as well as research various weapons and defense and also manufacture them? A permanent soldier/police force, but unlike a "regular" police/soldier force this one is leaderless (so no generals, or "commanding officers") and all power is spread equally and with the people they protect.

Again, trying to maintain leaderless, as tempting as it would be to have a general or "someone in charge" this should be avoided so as to continue to be leaderless, though sometimes following the advice of someone who may know more couldn't hurt.

Oh and there has been anarchist groups that have worked together in the past before they where broken up or were forced to disbanded, like this one in Korea:

Prominent Korean anarchists include Kim Jwa-jin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jwa-jin) (who organised the short-lived anarcho-communist territory known as the autonomous Shinmin region)), Ha Ki-Rak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha_Ki-Rak), Park Yeol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Yeol), and Sin Chaeho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_Chaeho).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Korea

So there are some historical anarcho-communist territories.

Also let us imagine otherwise dangerous non-military jobs, like mining, become completely safe? After all, it has been argued this can be done but companies refused to do so because of "costs". Wouldn't this be reason for mining workers to realize they are begin exploited?


Well what do you think?

[Kill all the fetuses!]

I have absolutely no reason why the Spanish Social Revolution of 1936 is so under-emphasized by the Left. As far as I'm concerned, that was the most perfect example of Anarchism/Communism in practice. You can dispel all kind of silly arguments by simply pointing out Spain in 1936...

That having said, I think something similar as to what you are talking about happened in Spain back in 1936. The communes had absolute control of the agrarian economy and were controlled democratically. Prior to that, militias rose voluntarily against the fascists and then continued fighting against them voluntarily, more or less. Communes were defended against the Stalinists and fascists voluntarily.

I am not that familiar with Ukraine's Free Territory, but it was somewhat similar in its organization, although, more authoritarian as the whole defence was in the hands of Makhno, though, as I said, I'm not that familiar with that event as I am with the Spanish Revolution.

I think that nobody is so naive to believe that global revolution will happen in all countries at once. Some countries will start, other will join, but there will be a time gap between countries going towards communism. The question, I think, is simply how large this time gap can be.

I, for one, think that socialism in one country is possible, I am not entirely sure why others don't agree with that position. Sure it won't be perfect, sure there will be a need to maintain capitalist relations with other countries, but saying that maintaining these capitalist relations will destroy socialism is like saying that volunteering will destroy capitalism. That holds, of course, only if a country can defend itself, which, I think, you are implying in this question.

[Blake's Baby]

I think you don't understand what 'socialism' and 'capitalism' are.

Capitalism is a world system. Until it is suppressed, there is no socialism. Attempting to suppress it in one territory (whether that's the USA or Kansas or Witchita or Bridge Road Witchita or number 267 Bridge Road Witchita or the upstairs rear bedroom of 267 Bridge Road Witchita or the head of a person lying on a bed in the upstairs rear bedroom at 267 Bridge Road Witchita) is massively irrelevant.

Until capitalism is defeated globally it is not defeated. Socialism follows capitalism as a successive world system. So, until capitalism is defeated globally, you don't have socialism. So you can't have socialism in one country as the existence of the country means you're still living in a divided world (one with states and classes and capitalism and whatnot).

[xxxxxx666666]

I think you don't understand what 'socialism' and 'capitalism' are.

Capitalism is a world system. Until it is suppressed, there is no socialism. Attempting to suppress it in one territory (whether that's the USA or Kansas or Witchita or Bridge Road Witchita or number 267 Bridge Road Witchita or the upstairs rear bedroom of 267 Bridge Road Witchita or the head of a person lying on a bed in the upstairs rear bedroom at 267 Bridge Road Witchita) is massively irrelevant.

Until capitalism is defeated globally it is not defeated. Socialism follows capitalism as a successive world system. So, until capitalism is defeated globally, you don't have socialism. So you can't have socialism in one country as the existence of the country means you're still living in a divided world (one with states and classes and capitalism and whatnot).

So how will capitalism be defeated globally?

Maybe my searching skills aren't that good :( so please provide some sources (with links please) on how capitalism will be defeated and when, thanks ;)

[Blake's Baby]

By the united action of the world working class, in answer to the first question, and when the working class successfully unites in order to do so, in answer to the second.

I can't give you links, the history of the future hasn't been written yet. What I can give you is links to organisations that promote a vision of that future. I recommend joining the 'Left Communist' group and clicking on the topic 'a collaborative list of organisations of the Communist Left', then following those links.

[xxxxxx666666]

By the united action of the world working class, in answer to the first question, and when the working class successfully unites in order to do so, in answer to the second.

I can't give you links, the history of the future hasn't been written yet. What I can give you is links to organisations that promote a vision of that future. I recommend joining the 'Left Communist' group and clicking on the topic 'a collaborative list of organisations of the Communist Left', then following those links.

Yes, then please provide me to links to those organisations, thanks.;)

Mmmm, left communist... according to the link below it's

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Left+communism

Left Communists a left-opportunist group formed in January 1918 within the RCP(Bolshevik) that adopted petit bourgeois revolutionary views on questions concerning the foreign and domestic policy of the Soviet government and Communist Party.
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In April 1918 they issued their “Theses on the Present Situation” in opposition to Lenin’s “Immediate Tasks of the Soviet Government.” Denying the need for a transitional period, the Left Communists argued for the immediate “introduction” of socialism by “a cavalry charge against capitalism,” by the publication of decrees to that effect, and by the “communization of everyday life.” They opposed the Soviet government’s use of state capitalism, believing that this would lead to the establishment of a capitalist system. The Left Communists proposed that the banking apparatus be totally eliminated and that money be abolished. Distorting the Leninist principle of democratic centralism, they insisted on separatism, defended decentralization of the state and economic management, and opposed the employment of bourgeois specialists. In May and June 1918 the Left Communists lost the confidence of the party organizations that had previously supported them. In their conflict with the Left Communists, which was exceptionally sharp, Lenin and the party strictly adhered to the method of persuasion and party criticism. Late in the summer of 1918 the Left Communists openly acknowledged their errors and actively joined in the work of the party and government. In its uncompromising struggle against the Left Communists, the party, under the leadership of Lenin, pursued a scientifically based foreign and domestic policy and strengthened its unity."



Interesting history, yes if you know more about them, or anything else that may be relevant please link to them, thanks.

[Blake's Baby]

You did see that I recommended you go to the Left Communist Group, yes? I mean in 'Groups' for this site (at the top of this page). Click 'Groups'. Join the 'Left Communist' group. The info is there, it's about the sixth thread.

[xxxxxx666666]

You did see that I recommended you go to the Left Communist Group, yes? I mean in 'Groups' for this site (at the top of this page). Click 'Groups'. Join the 'Left Communist' group. The info is there, it's about the sixth thread.

Oh, ok this:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=9

Left Communists Group Maintained by Leo

Ha! Ha! I can be stupid sometimes :laugh:

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

I think it may work, and if it survives and be an example to the rest of the world for the downfall of capitalism!

I think you would like to read Kropotkin's view on communes (as 'anarchism in one country' is mostly a large commune or a group of communes):

Proposed Communist Settlement:
A New Colony for Tyneside or Wearside (http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/kropotkin-peter/1895/settlement.htm)

As Kropotkin mentioned and as many other anarchists and communists believe, i too think a one-country-commune will never hold under the constant attack of capitalist states who fear their own downfall.

[xxxxxx666666]

I have absolutely no reason why the Spanish Social Revolution of 1936 is so under-emphasized by the Left. As far as I'm concerned, that was the most perfect example of Anarchism/Communism in practice. You can dispel all kind of silly arguments by simply pointing out Spain in 1936...

That having said, I think something similar as to what you are talking about happened in Spain back in 1936. The communes had absolute control of the agrarian economy and were controlled democratically. Prior to that, militias rose voluntarily against the fascists and then continued fighting against them voluntarily, more or less. Communes were defended against the Stalinists and fascists voluntarily.

I am not that familiar with Ukraine's Free Territory, but it was somewhat similar in its organization, although, more authoritarian as the whole defence was in the hands of Makhno, though, as I said, I'm not that familiar with that event as I am with the Spanish Revolution.

I think that nobody is so naive to believe that global revolution will happen in all countries at once. Some countries will start, other will join, but there will be a time gap between countries going towards communism. The question, I think, is simply how large this time gap can be.

I, for one, think that socialism in one country is possible, I am not entirely sure why others don't agree with that position. Sure it won't be perfect, sure there will be a need to maintain capitalist relations with other countries, but saying that maintaining these capitalist relations will destroy socialism is like saying that volunteering will destroy capitalism. That holds, of course, only if a country can defend itself, which, I think, you are implying in this question.

Thank you, and sorry for not begin able to read you sooner.

To be honest I don't know that much about the Spanish Social Revolution of 1936.

So I've read up on it, the problem seems to be that the Spanish Social Revolution of 1936 didn't have the time to build up an infrastructure i.e. ammunition and anti tank factories and so forth. And they were more or less had to rely on outside sources for support, yes they took care of themselves but there were none of the defense support I spoke of.

Maybe if they actually had been able to build up a infrastructure they may have been able to hold out, to those who disagree look at Israeli (as much as you may disagree with its actions): that nation managed to hold out against larger forces because of they could support themselves, with secret ammunition factories that turn out ammunition like this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machon_Ayalon

Oh if only there were more anarchist movements that were better supported.:(

Thank you for echoing what I was more or less thinking ;)

I too think anarchist in one country is possible.

And with advances in 3d printing future anarchist revolutionaries may be able to do just that! :)

"range of metals suitable for 3D Printing keep growing every month."
http://3dprinting.com/materials/metal/3d-printing-metal/