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The Jay
23rd January 2014, 01:47
AuqemytQ5QA

The amount of rage I am feeling is indescribable. This is why I don't blame the spanish for their revolutionary terror in the thirties. Bravo to the host for having some fucking sense.

Future
23rd January 2014, 01:54
Words cannot describe how much I have always despised this human being. My blood pressure is rising so fast right now.

G4b3n
23rd January 2014, 01:56
This is a prime example of why the bourgeoisie is to be combated in the physical sense, we can save the rhetoric for ourselves (the workers).
For God's sake, at least have the decency to mask your inhumanity with a coat of liberalism.

The Jay
23rd January 2014, 01:59
Words cannot describe how much I have always despised this human being. My blood pressure is rising so fast right now.

I will not advocate violence on a message board but . . . you understand my predicament.

Brandon's Impotent Rage
23rd January 2014, 02:04
Everyone see my signature at the bottom?

You notice how I've modified the phrase in bold?

This video is the reason why. This scumbag deserves nothing less than the swift, violent wrath of the people.

Future
23rd January 2014, 02:06
It's videos like this one that should inspire all of us, no matter the tendency, to work together to rid ourselves of the menace of capitalism.

KurtFF8
23rd January 2014, 02:52
It's videos like this one that should inspire all of us, no matter the tendency, to work together to rid ourselves of the menace of capitalism.

Well I think it's more the subject of the video (3.5 billion in poverty while a handful have the same amount of wealth) that should unite us rather than some jackass news channel personality being okay with it

Taters
23rd January 2014, 02:54
This is FANTASTIC news! And he "believes" in charity!
Hey, at least he's honest.

Future
23rd January 2014, 02:58
Well I think it's more the subject of the video (3.5 billion in poverty while a handful have the same amount of wealth) that should unite us rather than some jackass news channel personality being okay with it

Of course. The subject of this video is what I mean. 3.5 billion people in abject poverty and capitalist slave masters laughing at that number...its too important and urgent not to work with one another in order to destroy this evil system.

AmilcarCabral
23rd January 2014, 04:06
Triceramarx: Do not get mad at all. Because vengeance must be eaten in a cold calmed state. And don't worry, because there are many thinkers, many philosophers like Gianni Vattimo (An italian philosopher), Einstein, even non-marxists philosophers have predicted that the working class will rule the world and that have predicted that being wealthy will be very bad and risky, because the next big world war, the next third world war will be a super big war of the poor against the rich. And the poor sectors of the world will win.

Another thing I would like to say is why I think we shouldn't only hate that man who said that he supports that fact that 85 people of the world have lots of wealth. You should hate 100 million people (100 million voters who vote for Democrats and Republicans every 4 years). And maybe a lot more than just 100 million people, because lots of people in America who support this system do not even vote at all. So what we have in America is an exploiter class of about 250 million capitalist americans against maybe 50 million oppressed leftist americans or even less than 50 leftist oppressed americans

Because Martin Luther King said in one of his famous quotes, that when the oppressed supports his oppressor and exploiter, he becomes more evil than his oppressor.

I read an article in a scientific marxist blog that said that people in America vote for the privatization of health care, they vote for the privatization of public schools, they even vote for the destrusction of all public schools. People in America do not want free health care (They don't want it). They don't want no comie pinko Green Party giving americans free health care, and free college degrees.

Americans are very happy working 2 times a day (A full time job at Wal Mart, and 4 hours in the afternoon at a Burger King frying french fries), americans are addicted to working and being busy all day (Maybe to kill their existential vacuum). But the thing that this capitalist system we've had in the last 20 to 30 years is a win-win situation for the oligarchic capitalist class. Because they know that Americans would hate 6 hours of workshift (of any social-democratic reformist party like Green Party). And americans prefer their shitty lives, because americans get high on inflicting pain on their own bodies by working so hard all day. Eric Fromm said that people are pre-programmed habit robots, and because of that it will be real hard for the suicidal majority of americans who are all like Sisifus to get out of their "Vicius circle of poverty" and their viscious circle of pain. (who was punished by the ancient greek gods to carry a big rock uphill).

We have 100 million people who actively and politically support this system every 4 years in their votes, who love this system and who are ultra-right wingers, pro-Israel's oppression against Palestine, pro-bankers, pro-corporations and who endorse Bush, Obama, Sarah Palin, Glenne Beck, Jennifer Lopez, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie (Who is super-millionaire by the way), Madonna, Paris Hilton, Shakira, Alex Rodriguez and who are addicted to these super stars, and icons. And they don't want any Michael Moore, any Amy Goodman (she is hated by most americans), any Noam Chomsky. They hate Fidel Castro, Evo Morales, Nicolas Maduro, Rafael Correa (You've never seen poor people here in America being curious about Venezuela. Because they don't want socialism, they are happy with their government waging wars and invading nations so that they can have some food-stamps, they are content with garage sales, with eating from food-banks.

So, having said all this, I think that USA is a lot like Germany around Karl Marx's life, which was such an anti-change and an ultra-right wing society, that he had to move to London and France. And Germany is still today a very ultra-right wing anti-change society. In fact in many parts of Europe the ultra-right wing parties are on the rise again


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AuqemytQ5QA

The amount of rage I am feeling is indescribable. This is why I don't blame the spanish for their revolutionary terror in the thirties. Bravo to the host for having some fucking sense.

Mather
23rd January 2014, 12:24
I know I shouldn't be, but his brazen approach to the topic at hand shocked me. What a piece of shit!

Come the revolution people of his ilk need to be exterminated. They do not deserve an ounce of our mercy or compassion.

Atsumari
23rd January 2014, 12:42
I do not see how this could possibly in any way serve as a good PR campaign for capitalists worldwide. To me, it seems like O'Leary shot himself in the foot.

Danielle Ni Dhighe
23rd January 2014, 12:43
You should hate 100 million people (100 million voters who vote for Democrats and Republicans every 4 years). And maybe a lot more than just 100 million people, because lots of people in America who support this system do not even vote at all. So what we have in America is an exploiter class of about 250 million capitalist americans
Um...no. Most of those voting for bourgeois political parties are workers laboring under false consciousness, not members of an exploiting class. The bourgeoisie isn't 250 million strong in the US. Supporting capitalism doesn't make one a capitalist.

Lily Briscoe
23rd January 2014, 16:49
I don't understand how people on here manage to get themselves so worked up over television personalities. Who really cares.

Mather
23rd January 2014, 17:09
I don't understand how people on here manage to get themselves so worked up over television personalities. Who really cares.

The dickhead in question (Kevin O'Leary) is a venture capitalist and not just any old TV personality.

Vermin like him do real damage and cause real suffering through their manipulation of markets and asset stripping of companies and workers pay the price for the actions of this man and those like him. His comments only reinforce my view that this man needs a bullet to the head pronto.

!doctor
24th January 2014, 06:30
A fine example of the type of thieving, bourgeois scumbag that is ruining this world. While the average man suffers under the luck-based, corrupt capitalist system, sniveling little thieves like this man stay at the top, exploiting workers, cutting pay and benefits, ensuring that their pockets are lined with cash at the expense of the worker, and making sure that they retain their unbridled power. People like this "man" should be tried for crimes against humanity. I will celebrate the day the bourgeois are put back in the place that they truly belong, back at the bottom with the rest of us. I'm quite mad.

#FF0000
24th January 2014, 06:37
This doesn't upset me because it doesn't surprise me. Of course this is what they think of us. What do you expect? I prefer that the wolves forgo the sheepskin and just dress as wolves.

Yuppie Grinder
24th January 2014, 06:47
This actually does surprise me. Usually even the most out there right wingers wouldn't be this blunt. The wealthy are out of touch with the world view of ordinary people, but this guy is so out of touch that he comes across as genuinely really stupid. I've never heard Glenn Beck say something this dumb.

Marshal of the People
24th January 2014, 06:59
That made me feel sick! I don't understand how people can be that stupid and uninformed!

#FF0000
24th January 2014, 07:09
This actually does surprise me. Usually even the most out there right wingers wouldn't be this blunt. The wealthy are out of touch with the world view of ordinary people, but this guy is so out of touch that he comes across as genuinely really stupid. I've never heard Glenn Beck say something this dumb.

I think this is just a dude who feels really secure in his station in life and so doesn't feel the need to worry about public opinion. Most right-wingers one sees in media are groomed to be media-friendly to be a public face for the political and economic interests of the folks that are backing them.

AmilcarCabral
24th January 2014, 07:42
Danielle: Indeed, I guess you are 100% correct in that. Because even though the great majority of people have access to alternative news sites, many have access to alternative TV news channels like Free Speech TV, Link TV, The Russia Today News, and alternative news websites like http://www.commondreams.org http://www.counterpunch.org http://www.marxist.com etc. the power of the mainstream TV news channels and mainstream newspapers is just too powerful in the USA and the economic resources of the traditional political parties (The Democratic Party and The Republican Party) is just too powerful, so that's why those 2 corporate traditional parties are able to win the hearts and souls of the great majority of US voters who are very ideologically weak, and who are very anti-politics (because most americans have been educated to stay away from politics), and because of that most US citizens have a false consciousness like you said.

But don't worry, there will be an invisible sun that will give us hope when all hope is gone, and when the US economy will get a lot worse around the year 2016, most americans will probably shift toward the left ideologically and it will pretty easy for a marxist party to rise to the US government in 2020. And we will all walk in a field of gold like this song by Sting says:


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We will all walk in fields of gold in the workers state in 2020



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Um...no. Most of those voting for bourgeois political parties are workers laboring under false consciousness, not members of an exploiting class. The bourgeoisie isn't 250 million strong in the US. Supporting capitalism doesn't make one a capitalist.

The Jay
24th January 2014, 13:40
I don't understand how people on here manage to get themselves so worked up over television personalities. Who really cares.

It is a good thing that you don't ever get worked up about anything irrelevant then. I hope we all can aspire to be like you.

The Jay
24th January 2014, 14:12
Hey, Strix, I know that you don't care what nobody dun does say but does that mean that you wouldn't care what a nazi says on television? I mean, it is the bourgeois news so you probably won't bother watching it but I'm also thinking that you wouldn't let it bother you either. How about someone laughing about the zimmerman trial on the news?

A Revolutionary Tool
25th January 2014, 06:51
This video should go viral, this guy makes capitalism look downright terrible. We should make an ad and run it over and over again, just a clip of him saying "I support capitalism" with that same statistic thrown in there. It's just such bad PR for capitalism.

Rugged Collectivist
25th January 2014, 09:27
I can't really feel outraged. This is pretty in line with the way rich assholes generally think.

Althusser
25th January 2014, 11:22
For God's sake, at least have the decency to mask your inhumanity with a coat of liberalism.

Why? My blood boils more when they do that. He's fighting in his class interests, and so are we. I don't expect him to feel guilty, nor do I really want him to. I do expect him to suffer when he's ripped limb from limb when shit gets real.

Comrade Jacob
25th January 2014, 11:56
This is fantastic news isn't it? It has clearly inspired 3.5 billion people to climb to the top and they will, nothing like backgrounds, unemployment or anything like that will stand in their way...
I don't think many of the 3.5 billion lowest want to be the 1% (0.0000....%) , they want a roof over their head, food, drink & Family/Friends. They just want to live a good life and not look back and seeing from their castle the friends they knew growing up living and striving in poverty.
Sickening, I can't wait for the last capitalist to give us the rope.

The Idler
25th January 2014, 19:25
If you want a revolution in order to lynch the likes of Kevin O'Leary, you're an idiot and a liability to the socialist movement.

Mather
25th January 2014, 21:12
If you want a revolution in order to lynch the likes of Kevin O'Leary, you're an idiot and a liability to the socialist movement.

Of course, we should have them over for a nice cup of tea and a good old chit chat instead.

Your pacifism not only betrays the working class, it exposes your dogmatic adherence to bourgeois morality. If you care more about the fate of this dick than those who have suffered from his actions then you should really reconsider your politics mate!

The Idler
25th January 2014, 22:24
It was done in 1793-4 and it was a disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror

Mather
26th January 2014, 01:05
It was done in 1793-4 and it was a disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror

I am well aware of the Reign of Terror and I fail to see how it was a disaster in any way given that the French Revolution was successful in overthrowing the old feudal order and ushering in a new society and a new mode of production under the rule of the bourgeoisie. This is not just my opinion either as it was also the opinion of Karl Marx himself.

In your own opinion, what was disastrous about it?

Ceallach_the_Witch
26th January 2014, 01:34
Of course, we should have them over for a nice cup of tea and a good old chit chat instead.

Your pacifism not only betrays the working class, it exposes your dogmatic adherence to bourgeois morality. If you care more about the fate of this dick than those who have suffered from his actions then you should really reconsider your politics mate!

i suspect the point being made was the utter pointlessness of railing on against one particularly odious plutocrat and going on about giving him the haircut of his life given that it's not him (or his peers) we're specifically trying to take down - it's the system they've profited by.

ÑóẊîöʼn
26th January 2014, 01:43
Is it just me, or does anyone else around here get a strong impression that the ruling classes have been increasingly "dropping their masks"?

Brandon's Impotent Rage
26th January 2014, 01:50
Is it just me, or does anyone else around here get a strong impression that the ruling classes have been increasingly "dropping their masks"?

I'm actually starting to get that feeling as well. I don't know if its because they somehow perceive that they're losing their grip on power (even though they're now probably more powerful than ever), or if the last big economic clusterfuck has turned much of the world against them...but the bourgeoisie seem to publicly becoming more and more unhinged.

Mather
26th January 2014, 01:53
Is it just me, or does anyone else around here get a strong impression that the ruling classes have been increasingly "dropping their masks"?

They have indeed and that's not a bad thing in my opinion as they merely expose themselves for what they truly are. If they want to shot themselves in the foot and expose all their shallow propaganda for what it really is, I'm not going to stop them.

ÑóẊîöʼn
26th January 2014, 01:58
They have indeed and that's not a bad thing in my opinion as they merely expose themselves for what they truly are. If they want to shot themselves in the foot and expose all their shallow propaganda for what it really is, I'm not going to stop them.

That's what gets me, though. Surely they're not stupid enough not to realise that if their rhetoric becomes increasingly blunt like in the OP, then more and more people are going to be looking at their increasingly shitty situations and thinking "hang on..."?

Ceallach_the_Witch
26th January 2014, 01:59
then again, if you thought your wealth made you untouchable...

ÑóẊîöʼn
26th January 2014, 02:04
I'm actually starting to get that feeling as well. I don't know if its because they somehow perceive that they're losing their grip on power (even though they're now probably more powerful than ever), or if the last big economic clusterfuck has turned much of the world against them...but the bourgeoisie seem to publicly becoming more and more unhinged.

I don't think that they think they're losing their grip on power; I actually think they're becoming overconfident and thus more likely to say what they really feel. I think that increasing socioeconomic polarisation is also playing a role.

Os Cangaceiros
26th January 2014, 02:19
Why? My blood boils more when they do that. He's fighting in his class interests, and so are we. I don't expect him to feel guilty, nor do I really want him to. I do expect him to suffer when he's ripped limb from limb when shit gets real.

Is it really in his interests, actually? I think it could be argued that extreme wealth disparity doesn't bode well for the stability of social systems. "The palace is not safe if the cottage is not happy" (Benjamin Disraeli) and all that. That doesn't necessarily mean that things getting really bad inevitably leads to serious threats to the wealthy's power, but if I were super-rich I think it'd probably be in my own self-interest to put a happy face on this social system

E-Shock Executioner
26th January 2014, 02:47
What's the video called, the link ain't working for me.

Lily Briscoe
26th January 2014, 02:50
This just seems to me like the typical thing where some talking-head with a television show has this tired shtick of saying intentionally 'shocking', inflammatory, and controversial things with an eye toward boosting ratings and generating publicity. It's a really old routine at this point, and you'd think it would be pretty transparent by now.

Do a google search for this dude and you immediately turn up recent articles by the likes of e.g. Time and The Independent about this 'shocking' new thing he's said and how he is now 'trending' on the internet because of it. I'm sure he's quite pleased.


It is a good thing that you don't ever get worked up about anything irrelevant then. I hope we all can aspire to be like you.
Nah I've gotten worked up over plenty of relatively silly things in my life, but I'm happy to say that I've definitely never gotten violently angry over some talking-head's bad television act. You have to admit that this:



The amount of rage I am feeling is indescribable. This is why I don't blame the spanish for their revolutionary terror in the thirties.


Words cannot describe how much I have always despised this human being. My blood pressure is rising so fast right now.


This is a prime example of why the bourgeoisie is to be combated in the physical sense, we can save the rhetoric for ourselves (the workers).


I will not advocate violence on a message board but . . . you understand my predicament.


This scumbag deserves nothing less than the swift, violent wrath of the people.



Come the revolution people of his ilk need to be exterminated. They do not deserve an ounce of our mercy or compassion.

...is pretty absurd. I can't even decide which one to nominate for the internet hardman award, they are all so deserving.

AmilcarCabral
26th January 2014, 04:17
I think that we have another problem in USA, that problem is the middle classes, and even bigger problem than the 1% upper oligarchic class.

The real impediment for socialism in USA is not only the evil plutocrats at the top in the upper classes. Because they are small in number. I think that all radical leftists have 2 classes as enemies (The upper classes and the middle classes, and even many in the lower classes who behave like middle class people)

There is an article in http://www.marxists.org/archive/kun-bela/1918/05/04.htm about how the lower layer of the middle classes (the lower middle classes) are also very anti-communism, anti-change, anti-revolutions. We have to realize that the great majority of americans are part of the lower class. However the US capitalist media and the US government has been educating and mind-controlling a large section of the lower classes into the idea that they are not lower-classes, but middle classes. For example in America I think that even many low-wage workers of Wal Mart, Mcdonalds, Publix supermarkets, Verizon, Dish Network, ATT, American Airlines etc (who earn between 8 dollars and 12 dollars per hour). think that they are part of the real middle classes (doctors, lawyers and small business owners). And that they are one class away, one step away from being part of the Tom Cruise, Jennifer Lopez and Donald Trump class. And the great problem i see in America is that because most lower-class americans behave like middle class people, and think of themselves of being one class away from upper classes. It will be very hard for millions of US voters to vote for a third anti-war party in the next presidential elections in 2016. Humans are habit-creatures and US voters have lots of years voting for democrats and republicans

Here is the article about Karl Marx and the lower middle classes:

“The internal enemy” of the proletarian Russian Revolution is constituted first and foremost by the lower middle classes. The expropriation of the expropriators being carried out at present does not represent the most serious obstacle in the path of proletarian dictatorship. In the path of the expropriation of capital the obstacles are of a purely objective nature. The small group of large capitalists has not the masses on its side, and therefore speedily becomes powerless in face of the armed proletariat. The lower middle classes of society, on the other hand, represent a considerable section of the population, especially in Russia — to say nothing of the propertied section of the peasantry. To reckon with the wishes of these lower middle classes would mean the halting half-way of the work of the Revolution: it would mean an end of the aspirations towards the destruction of capitalism.

Exactly because the lower middle-class mass is numerically large, it has retained an influence over the working-class movement. But every concession to this influence represents a departure from the Marxian standpoint, because it was precisely Marx who freed Socialism from lower middle-class adulterations.

The behaviour of the middle-class Socialist parties during the opening encounters and the final decisive struggle of the proletarian revolution doubly imposes on us the duty of recalling, on the occasion of the centenary of the birth of our first teacher, what his views were on the subject of the lower middle classes. And, though the representatives of various shades of lower middle-class Socialism are constantly referring to Marx, in reality there is no greater sacrilege than this.
I

After the revolution alike in Marx’s philosophical world-concept and in his views on the material conditions of social production, he shook himself free of the last vestiges of Liberalism.

“The Poverty of Philosophy,” from the economic aspect, and “The Communist Manifesto,” from the political aspect herald the final liberation of Socialism from the last lower middle-class swaddling clothes.

The founders of scientific Socialism had not had as yet the experience of a revolution, but by the path of theoretical analysis they had even then succeeded in establishing the fact that, in the progress of the revolutionary movement, the dower middle-class can display itself only as a reactionary and Utopian factor.

This lower middle-class — as “The Communist Manifesto” proclaims — “stands half-way between the proletariat and the capitalist class. Being a necessary complement of capitalist society, this class is constantly being reborn.” Composed of extremely mixed elements of the pre-capitalist epoch — the so-called “toiling intelligentsia,” the lackeys of the capitalist class — this class was to be found, in France, in Switzerland, and to a certain extent in Germany, at the advanced posts of the revolution of 1848. According to “The Communist Manifesto,“ the Communists were to support the various party groupings of these elements, while the latter were in opposition, understanding clearly, however, that if the representatives of the lower middle-class were really revolutionary in sentiment, it was only when faced with their immediate descent into the ranks of the proletariat.

These hopes of the lower middle-class, little sanguine though they were, nevertheless were completely shattered. The revolution of 1848 clearly revealed the political bankruptcy of the revolutionary section of the bourgeoisie. That revolution laid bare not only their weakness, but also how dangerous they were to the work of the revolution. During the French revolution of that year, the proletariat was crushed, not by the capitalists, but by this very lower middle-class. “The small shopkeeper,” wrote Marx in “The Class Struggle in France,” “rose up and moved against the barricades, in order to restore the movement from the street into his shop. And when the barricades had been destroyed, when the workmen had been defeated, when the shopkeepers, drunk with victory, turned back to their shops, they found their entry barred by the saviours of property, the official agents of financial capital, who met them with stern demands: ‘The bills have become overdue! Pay up, gentlemen! Pay for your premises, pay four your goods.’ The poor little shop was ruined, the poor shopkeeper was undone!”

The lower middle-class is not fit to wield power, and a long government by it is unthinkable. This, first and foremost, for economic reasons: the small shopkeeper is the debtor of the great capitalist, and must remain in dependence on him as long as there exists the system of credit — which cannot be destroyed while the domination of private property continues.

The Imperialist era of capitalist production has fully justified this view of Marx’s. If the democratisation of capital by means of joint stock companies — the wild dream of the distorters of Marxism — were an economic possibility, even then the majority of the lower middle-class shareholders would be powerless to govern society.

The roots of the dilemma created by Imperialism are to be found in the economic relations on which Imperialism is based. There are only two classes capable of governing: the class of great capitalists, and the proletariat.

Every compromise with the upper bourgeoisie is treachery to the proletarian revolution. Every compromise with the lower middle-class after the victory of the revolution would mean the restoration of the supremacy of the upper bourgeoisie — the restoration of capitalist rule.

The experience of the revolution of 1848 completely confirmed Marx in his conviction that the revolution can blazon on its banner these watchwords only: the complete overthrow of all sections of the capitalist class, and the dictatorship of the proletariat.
II

Within the framework of capitalist society, the lower middle-class is immortal. Not only do small traders and small producers, worshippers of the principle of private property and credit, inevitably ensure the existence of parasites on the social organism, as being causes of the dissipation and waste of social labour; but also from out of their midst there appear the bearers of a special philosophy, directed for the purpose of restraining the proletarian revolution.

“The lower middle-class,” in Marx’s words, “has no special class interests. Its liberation does not entail a break with the system of private property. Being unfitted for an independent part in the class struggle, it considers every decisive class struggle a blow at the community. The conditions of his own personal freedom, which do not entail a departure from the system of private property, are, in the eyes of the member of the lower middle-class, those under which the whole of society can be saved.”

And this is the very reason why the lower middle-class masses are the most dangerous enemies of the dictatorship of the proletariat. They represent a very strong section of society. Their special interests are absolutely incompatible with the economic disturbances which are the inevitable accompaniment of transitional periods.

The disturbance of credit cuts the ground from under their feet. They begin shouting for order, for the strengthening of credit, in such a way that every concession to them leads in effect to a complete restoration of the old order.

The bearers of middle-class philosophy, who took up their stand as critics of capitalism in the working-class movement at the time when that movement was still in the stage merely of a critical attitude towards capitalism, and who brought in with them a peculiarly lower middle-class outlook, feel disillusioned when the era of decisive battle arrives. Their supremacy in the realm of ideas can continue no longer; while it is beyond their powers to free themselves from the lower middle-class-world-concept.

This is what Marx says in his “Eighteenth Brumaire,” in which he gives a masterly analysis of this lower middle-class outlook, on the subject of these “representatives” of the Labour movement — or, to speak more correctly, of these leeches which have attached themselves to it:

“By their upbringing and individual position, the former can be as far apart from the latter as heaven and earth. What makes them the spokesmen of the lower middle class is the fact that their thoughts do not leave the path in which the latter’s whole life moves, and that therefore they come, by a theoretical road, to the same problems and solutions as the lower middle class reaches in actual life. Such, in general, is the relation between the political and literary representatives of a class and the class itself.”

Marx was merciless in dealing with this kind of poisoners of proletarian class-consciousness. The whole Labour movement ought to be the same. With the weapons of ridicule and hatred he fought against the “heroes” of the French social democracy of the time — the political movement which represented an unlawful union between the lower middle class and the proletariat.

He wished to separate the Labour movement from all lower middle class elements, because the lower middle class attitude — attachment to the idea of private property, more or less open striving to uphold credit, terror of every fundamental social disturbance — is in practice the greatest internal enemy of the proletariat and the proletarian revolution.
III

A proletarian dictatorship that betrays a readiness to make concessions to the lower middle class is threatened with destruction.

A working class struggling against the bourgeoisie “from below” escapes this peril more easily than a victorious proletariat. A proletariat fighting “from above,” possessing State power, and grappling with the problems of organisation of production, is in a much more difficult position than a proletariat which has not yet attained victory. The working class itself is not yet free from all lower middle class habits of mind, while the mass of middle class parasites which lived on the back of the old order is now, equally ready to live on the back of the proletarian State.

The crushing of counter-revolution in Russia shows that, here too, the time has come when, as Marx says in “The Civil War in France,” all sections of the bourgeoisie except the great capitalists — “shopkeepers, tradesmen, merchants” recognise that the proletariat is the only class capable of initiative in the sphere of social reconstruction. This means, however, that the same section of the lower middle class which “offered up the workers as a sacrifice to their creditors” will once again attempt to come to an agreement with its creditors.

While the lower middle class exists, it is not capable of renouncing itself, even if it does submit to the proletariat. Though incapable of independent resistance, it will nevertheless try by roundabout ways to distort the meaning and the aims of the Revolution.

If it once manages, under whatsoever disguise, to reappear in the arena of the workers’ struggle, it will use all its energies to the end that it may remain the proprietor of its little shop, and the client of capitalism. It demands first of all “the re-establishment of credit” — but this cry is, for the lower middle class, only “a disguised form of the cry for the re-establishment of private property.”

The Revolution, when celebrating the centenary of Marx’s birth, will not forget the sentence he passed on the lower middle class.





AuqemytQ5QA

The amount of rage I am feeling is indescribable. This is why I don't blame the spanish for their revolutionary terror in the thirties. Bravo to the host for having some fucking sense.

Ocean Seal
26th January 2014, 05:57
I've always despised this kind of rhetoric because it does not concern itself with anything of importance particularly this notion of "hard work". Why should "hard work" be valued? For the sake of working hard? This is bizarre and masochistic.

Moreover, I mean seriously, come on with the whole motivation bullshit. This statistic is not motivating. The fact that there are two camps one which is basically extremely likely for you to fall into and the other which is mostly inherited with the one which you are most likely to fall into is not a motivator, it's hard hitting reality.

Last but not least right wingers try to always avoid the problem. I'm not against charity... What is this nonsense, it has nothing to do with the question.

The Jay
26th January 2014, 06:34
This just seems to me like the typical thing where some talking-head with a television show has this tired shtick of saying intentionally 'shocking', inflammatory, and controversial things with an eye toward boosting ratings and generating publicity. It's a really old routine at this point, and you'd think it would be pretty transparent by now.

Do a google search for this dude and you immediately turn up recent articles by the likes of e.g. Time and The Independent about this 'shocking' new thing he's said and how he is now 'trending' on the internet because of it. I'm sure he's quite pleased.


Nah I've gotten worked up over plenty of relatively silly things in my life, but I'm happy to say that I've definitely never gotten violently angry over some talking-head's bad television act. You have to admit that this:




...is pretty absurd. I can't even decide which one to nominate for the internet hardman award, they are all so deserving.

Go fuck yourself. You never say anything remotely interesting and are always rude.

Lily Briscoe
26th January 2014, 07:59
Go fuck yourself. You never say anything remotely interesting and are always rude.
Okay, I'm honestly not meaning to be rude, so I'm sorry if this is how I come across on here. I'm pretty wry and maybe it just translates badly on the internet and seems malicious or something when it isn't meant to be. To be fair, though, this is probably the third or fourth time you've told me to 'go fuck myself' on here (or "fuck you, asshole" or some variant) for disagreeing with something you've said, and I haven't talked to people in that way at all.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to be 'interesting', but to make a point that I think people are missing here. In his capacity as a television personality, this guy is basically an entertainer. Taking his intentionally provocative commentary on his show as something way more significant than that (I.e. Either as some barometer of 'the general attitude of the bourgeoisie' or as something worth getting worked up about to the point of foaming at the mouth and getting a hard-on thinking about people "getting ripped limb from limb", which is a real quote from someone in this thread) is really, really silly imo.

Ocean Seal
26th January 2014, 08:07
Okay, I'm honestly not meaning to be rude, so I'm sorry if this is how I come across on here. I'm pretty wry and maybe it just translates badly on the internet and seems malicious or something when it isn't meant to be. To be fair, though, this is probably the third or fourth time you've told me to 'go fuck myself' on here (or "fuck you, asshole" or some variant) for disagreeing with something you've said, and I haven't talked to people in that way at all.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to be 'interesting', but to make a point that I think people are missing here. In his capacity as a television personality, this guy is basically an entertainer. Taking his intentionally provocative commentary on his show as something way more significant than that (I.e. Either as some barometer of 'the general attitude of the bourgeoisie' or as something worth getting worked up about to the point of foaming at the mouth and getting a hard-on thinking about people "getting ripped limb from limb", which is a real quote from someone in this thread) is really, really silly imo.
But on the other hand this is natural response, and while this probably isn't a barometer on how the bourgeoisie feel as a whole, its how many people do feel, perhaps not to this extreme. And what's wrong with these "tearing the class enemy limb from limb" type fantasies :p.

E-Shock Executioner
26th January 2014, 08:16
Can someone just tell me what this video shit is all about? :confused:

You can start by telling me what the damn video is called(by the way I am using a iPad)

The Jay
26th January 2014, 09:23
Can someone just tell me what this video shit is all about? :confused:

You can start by telling me what the damn video is called(by the way I am using a iPad)

Kevin O'Leary says 3.5 billion living in poverty "fantastic news"

Mather
27th January 2014, 11:34
@ Strix: My anger against this guy is not based on just what he said, no matter how outrageous that may be, but on the fact that he is a venture capitalist and a speculator. It is in that role that he causes actual harm and suffering to working class people via his manipulations of the market. Not content with condemning millions to misery through his actions, he then gloats about it on TV.

His vile opinions are just the cherry on top in my opinion.