IQ scores of communist, socialists

[TriPac Dude]

I have heard that conservatives and republicans have lower IQ scores than more liberal, left leaning people. Personally I agree. I have had an accredited IQ test and scored somewhere between 170 and 180. That means I am one in about 400 or less people in the US who have scored that high or higher. That puts me in the 99.9999% group. Not to be bragging on myself at all, but I've met some very intelligent people on this site. I personally think communists are more advanced and evolved than conservatives. Have any of you ever had an official IQ test and what did you score? Just curious, since we seem to be some of the smartest people around .

[Remus Bleys]

"People who boast about their IQ are losers" ~ Stephen Hawking.
I will hopefully never learn my IQ. In fact, IQ was never actually meant to measure intelligence, you have eugenics to thank for that.

[Atsumari]

Let's create a new field within social sciences called political eugenics, shall we?

Seriously bro, try to avoid making such claims. It is intellectually dangerous and lazy. I am not denying the ridiculousness of modern American conservatism or the Republican Party, but this talk sounds like a self-serving bias.

Also, I write for a magazine whose headquarters is based in an area where Marxism is part of the norm and I tell you from personal experience that communists are just as human as the rest of us just in case you did not learn that by simply browsing RevLeft.

[Sinister Intents]

Like Remus said! I had one done at the age of 18 and it came out as 110

[Zukunftsmusik]

Personally I agree

As if it's something to agree on - it's a statistical matter. Not that I'm saying this is important in any way, on the contrary.


Just curious, since we seem to be some of the smartest people around .

Lol, do you seriously think that?

[ChrisK]

I'm going to recommend you read The Mismeasure of Man by Stephan Jay Gould. In it, he lays to rest the myth that IQ tests are of any use at all.

[helot]

The question is what do IQ tests measure? It's spatial-linguistic logic puzzles under exam conditions. What use does this have exactly?

[IBleedRed]

IQ tests are worthless. I'm not even against standardized testing, but IQ tests are just worthless. OP, don't get too caught up in IQ tests. Fascists love to cite IQ tests "demonstrating" the superiority of one race than another. It's pretty much a fact that socio-economic conditions play the biggest role in intellectual aptitude and education.

[Sinister Intents]

I swear I read somewhere that IQ tests measure subservience... I don't quite remember, but I read it hear on RevLeft in one of the IQ discussions

[Comrade Jacob]

I personally think IQ's are full of shit for the most part.

[Firebrand]

The fact that if you learn the techniques you do better on iq tests kinda proves they measure your skill at passing exams rather than any innate level of intelligent.

[TriPac Dude]

I guess you're all against me yet again. I can never find anyone who ever understands me. You all think I'm just bragging about myself, and I'm not. In fact, I am a very humble person about stuff like that, and actually feel quite embarrassed when people say I'm talking over their heads or they don't understand a word of what I'm saying. Story of my life. I get treated like a pile of dog shit everywhere I go, and I see that with a few exceptions, this site is no different. I am belittled, called names, and everything else everywhere I go. I try to be nice to people, and I get crapped on every time. So excuse me for ever posting anything on this site. I thought I'd be with like minded people here, but I see I'm getting the same treatment here as I do everywhere I go. I admit, silly things like IQ tests aren't practical measures of a persons true intelligence. Like me, I have very little to no common sense. Maybe I should just go hole up somewhere and forget about the world and everybody in it. Sorry for this rant, but I get sick of being blasted by people everywhere I go. Enough said.

[ChrisK]

I guess you're all against me yet again. I can never find anyone who ever understands me. You all think I'm just bragging about myself, and I'm not. In fact, I am a very humble person about stuff like that, and actually feel quite embarrassed when people say I'm talking over their heads or they don't understand a word of what I'm saying. Story of my life. I get treated like a pile of dog shit everywhere I go, and I see that with a few exceptions, this site is no different. I am belittled, called names, and everything else everywhere I go. I try to be nice to people, and I get crapped on every time. So excuse me for ever posting anything on this site. I thought I'd be with like minded people here, but I see I'm getting the same treatment here as I do everywhere I go. I admit, silly things like IQ tests aren't practical measures of a persons true intelligence. Like me, I have very little to no common sense. Maybe I should just go hole up somewhere and forget about the world and everybody in it. Sorry for this rant, but I get sick of being blasted by people everywhere I go. Enough said.

You aren't getting blasted. We are critiquing IQ tests. Try and read what was written not as an attack against you, but as an opportunity to learn another perspective.

[Halert]

I'm sorry if you feel misunderstood, if you say that you didn't want to brag i believe you. You have to understand that this forum is not filled with people who are nicer then other people on the internet we are communist/anarchists not nice people.

That being said i completely agree with remus. I don't know my own IQ and i hope i'll never find out.

[Sinister Intents]

I'm not being against you comrade, I see what you're saying and I don't think you're bragging. I believe you're a humble person, and I don't think any of us are taking it as you talking over our heads. You seem like a good person and like you'll make a decent addition here, you're not being discriminated against here, rather people are just pointing out that IQ tests are indeed silly and prove nothing. I was given one three years ago and I got an IQ of 110, yet people tell me I seem highly intelligent. Everyone is intelligent in their own respect.

[Crabbensmasher]

I've never had my IQ taken, but to be honest, I'd be kind of scared to have one done. Not that I have bad self-confidence or anything... Shit, maybe I do. No, actually I think it's pretty normal.

Yeah, in terms of this whole conversation, I don't think it's great to get into "We're smarter than other ideologies" type thing. Just for the sake of arrogance, it can seriously alienate you.

I wouldn't really be comfortable belonging to a movement that claims intellectual superiority. Even if they are statistically smarter, just the fact that they 'claim' it would turn me off. You know what I mean? I think it's pretty common sense stuff

[Rafiq]

Intelligence itself is a muddled concept. Time and time again our understanding of intelligence has been proven inadequate as a means of measuring the human mind, our current models constrain our understanding of the brain's function.

[tachosomoza]

IQ tests have been used as a tool for the bourgeoisie to claim that those they have broken and enslaved for generations are now inherently inferior and are thus deserving of the great evil that has been done and still is being done.

[Marshal of the People]

I have 151!:grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin:

But as like others have said it isn’t a good way of measuring intelligence.

[sosolo]

I have 151!:grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin:

But as like others have said it isn’t a good way of measuring intelligence.

Dammit! Mine is 142. I wanted 150 LOL. I'm ridiculous.


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[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

The above two posts are further examples of subtle bragging.

[Taters]

That's nothing. I have a hundred thousand IQs.
Y'all are just jealous.

Another cringe-worthy thread. We superior communist intellectual powerhouses must sneer at people that aren't us.

[Future]

I think IQ tests are quite silly. So naturally, I've taken one :P

My IQ was measured at 134. I really don't give two shits however what my IQ is.

[Yuppie Grinder]

My IQ is 420 tbh not even gonna lie #genius

[Diirez]

I haven't bothered with taking an IQ test, but I can predict that I would do absolutely horrible since my test taking skills are not the best.

[Quail]

IQ scores aren't a reliable way of measuring "intelligence" - besides, what is intelligence anyway? I used to do okay at the tests I had to do for school, but I am good at maths so I'd say they're skewed in my favour. There are too many ways that people can be "intelligent" to measure by a single problem solving test that you can get better at with practice.

[#FF0000]

lotta humblebragging going on itt

[Quail]

lotta humblebragging going on itt

There are lots of things I suck at too, if this is aimed at me. I used to score well on the tests school made me take, but I don't think it's because I'm unusually intelligent. The tests are flawed. People who practice the right sort of questions get better IQ scores. If I remember correctly, most of the questions were easier if your brain likes maths. But being able to answer those questions doesn't really count for much.

[#FF0000]

There are lots of things I suck at too, if this is aimed at me. I used to score well on the tests school made me take, but I don't think it's because I'm unusually intelligent. The tests are flawed. People who practice the right sort of questions get better IQ scores. If I remember correctly, most of the questions were easier if your brain likes maths. But being able to answer those questions doesn't really count for much.

naw that wasn't aimed at you in particular.

it's just p. funny how this thread is full of people saying "my IQ is xxx NOT THAT IT MATTERS OR ANYTHING"

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

I took one IQ test at 16 and I scored 101 - three points below the (apparent) average in the UK, although I can't remember which test I was given so it's kind of meaningless.

E:

that is, more meaningless than it is already :P

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

I scored 152 one time, 131 another. One of the tests asked what the capital of Greece is, which isn't a measure of intelligence in the least. The IQ system is deeply flawed.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I scored 152 one time, 131 another. One of the tests asked what the capital of Greece is, which isn't a measure of intelligence in the least. The IQ system is deeply flawed.

Well, it's just as good as measure of intelligence as how good your mind is at interpreting the patterns of geometric squares and their interdependent arrangement. Which is to say, not at all, which is the inherent idiocy of the idea that intelligence can be tested and measured abstractly. An half-illiterate Puerto Rican worker might very well score an IQ of 50 (I've seen this exampled in some essay at one point), whereas such a low score would not be had even by the most struggling of developmentally disabled person in the United States proper, despite the fact that the worker might be a well-functioning (in terms of capitalist society) and reasonably intelligent person with no need for assistance.

That said, anyone joining MENSA shall be shot on revolution eve for being a self-satisfied smug shit.

[BIXX]

Think about it: why would you join Mensa if you had something that distinguished between yourself and the average person anyway?

Meaning, people who join Mensa are doing nothing with their intelligence except being members of Mensa.

[Full Metal Bolshevik]

Think about it: why would you join Mensa if you had something that distinguished between yourself and the average person anyway?

Meaning, people who join Mensa are doing nothing with their intelligence except being members of Mensa.

And what do you know about that?
It's not like being in Mensa stops you from doing other things.

[Red Commissar]

I haven't taken an IQ test. I don't think intelligence isn't so much guided by politics anyways, I think it has to do more with if your politics are informed by emotion or logic.

As for how intelligence is gauged, I often look at doctors. Becoming a doctor isn't easy- you got to get good grades in college and study your ass off for MCAT and keeping up your GPA and have to continue that through med school. Yet some Doctors I meet aren't particularly beacons of intelligence- even if we consider that their grades might be because they narrow their focus or just memorize well, you'd be surprised how many doctors (and other professionals like dentists or lawyers) can believe in stupid shit. We have many in the state if Texas who've moved into politics and buy into all sorts of bigotry, wreck access to medicine for the people (despite their profession), and even interfere in education by trying to introduce shut like intelligent design. I find the latter really odd because many doctors generally apply to med school with a science degree or some sort of pre-med regimen which involves a lot of science including bio but think evolution isn't solid.

In the ranks of Republicans in the US you can find academics, docs, teachers, etc who we generally don't consider dumb. Yet they hold shit views. I don't think we're particularly any better than anyone in this respect. Studying biology income across many scientists, and though many were progressives it isn't uncommon to find a conservative in there. An example is Ronald Fisher who is a figure in forming the modern synthesis of evolution that reconciled darwinian and genetic views, as well as some key contribution to statistics that we still use today. And yet he was a Tory of the worst sort and into eugenics.

And OP we aren't being against you. Just consider it from the perspective of people we live with. Socialists are an extension of the people, but if we go around lording some sort of superiority over our opponents (in this case, conservatives), much less one based on intelligence, we'd come off as amazingly rude and snobbish. That's not a good way to build a movement. In fact a negative stereotype of all sorts of "leftists", be it liberals or communists, revolves around holier-than-thou attitudes, particularly involving intelligence or related occupations.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

Hotdamn!!

180 is really crazily high!

I don't know mine exactly, but, as Stephen Hawking said: "People who boast about their IQ are losers" (Thanks to Remus ;) )
*on that note, people who boast about anything are losers IMO*

But 180! That is social-unexceptably high! People above 140 struggle sometimes, but 180! Sorry to be so "OMG" about it, but i have never heard of anyone bove 165...

You must have a major asynchronous verbal-parformal gap, or am i wrong?


Anyway, you say you are 1 in 400 with an IQ 180+.
Since 0,1% of people have an IQ over 140, that means you (and everyone else 140+) are 1 in a 1000.
Being over 180? I estimate you more 1 in 10.000 tbh. (i have no scientific proof or anything for that last estimate, just a guess)

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

That's nothing. I have a hundred thousand IQs.
Y'all are just jealous.

Another cringe-worthy thread. We superior communist intellectual powerhouses must sneer at people that aren't us.

:grin: We are regular Übermenschen ;)

[TriPac Dude]

I don't know how accurate IQ is measured, but I do know when I was in prekindergarten, they said that I belonged in at least 4th or 5th grade. At about 7 years old, I could read and understand highschool literature and textbooks. Again, I'm not bragging on myself, just stating the truth. And I do know I've been told by various people, including my parents, that I am very socially inept and backward, and have very little common sense.

[adipocere]

I guess you're all against me yet again. I can never find anyone who ever understands me. You all think I'm just bragging about myself, and I'm not. In fact, I am a very humble person about stuff like that, and actually feel quite embarrassed when people say I'm talking over their heads or they don't understand a word of what I'm saying. Story of my life. I get treated like a pile of dog shit everywhere I go, and I see that with a few exceptions, this site is no different. I am belittled, called names, and everything else everywhere I go. I try to be nice to people, and I get crapped on every time. So excuse me for ever posting anything on this site. I thought I'd be with like minded people here, but I see I'm getting the same treatment here as I do everywhere I go. I admit, silly things like IQ tests aren't practical measures of a persons true intelligence. Like me,I have very little to no common sense. Maybe I should just go hole up somewhere and forget about the world and everybody in it. Sorry for this rant, but I get sick of being blasted by people everywhere I go. Enough said.
I'm going to hazard a guess that your IQ is not the reason people are put off by you.

[TheWannabeAnarchist]

I scored 152 one time, 131 another. One of the tests asked what the capital of Greece is, which isn't a measure of intelligence in the least. The IQ system is deeply flawed.

It's funny, becuse that's exactly how intelligence "tests" were used by racists and social Darwinists in the early half of the 20th century. Immigrants would come to America, and these "psychologists" would give them IQ tests that asked questions like "where is Harvard located?"

Obviously, most immigrants came out as mentally retarded. The results were used as racialist propaganda.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I don't know how accurate IQ is measured, but I do know when I was in prekindergarten, they said that I belonged in at least 4th or 5th grade. At about 7 years old, I could read and understand highschool literature and textbooks. Again, I'm not bragging on myself, just stating the truth. And I do know I've been told by various people, including my parents, that I am very socially inept and backward, and have very little common sense.

If that's not bragging, I don't know what the fuck is. Usually when people tell you that you are really smart, they are lying or don't know what they are talking about. People have told me these sort of lies since I was young. It doesn't hold water.

[reb]

I have an IQ of 6,000 - the same IQ of 6,000 P.E. teachers.

[TriPac Dude]

Well Takayuki, I see that you hate me already. I was not bragging about myself in the least. I was simply stating the truth of what happened to me. You should not hate me or be prejudiced against me because I am simply telling my story. In fact, when people like you belittle others for telling the truth, you are not showing much intelligence yourself. Belittling people is very wrong. I would never do that to anyone, no matter how smart or dumb they appeared to be. Even people who treat me bad, cuss me out, say hateful things, I never get mad or treat them the same way.

[TheWannabeAnarchist]

Well Takayuki, I see that you hate me already. I was not bragging about myself in the least. I was simply stating the truth of what happened to me. You should not hate me or be prejudiced against me because I am simply telling my story. In fact, when people like you belittle others for telling the truth, you are not showing much intelligence yourself. Belittling people is very wrong. I would never do that to anyone, no matter how smart or dumb they appeared to be. Even people who treat me bad, cuss me out, say hateful things, I never get mad or treat them the same way.

Nobody hates you comrade, it's just that you're being an arrogant twit. But we still love you.:)

[Remus Bleys]

Well Takayuki, I see that you hate me already. I was not bragging about myself in the least. I was simply stating the truth of what happened to me. You should not hate me or be prejudiced against me because I am simply telling my story. In fact, when people like you belittle others for telling the truth, you are not showing much intelligence yourself. Belittling people is very wrong. I would never do that to anyone, no matter how smart or dumb they appeared to be. Even people who treat me bad, cuss me out, say hateful things, I never get mad or treat them the same way.

Trolololol. I hate this post so much, is that what you wanted to hear? Do you want to play the victim and have everyone tend to your faux wounds, which had only formed when we rejected your vanity? Because no one will and posts like these are annoying.
Unless you really are a troll, which I don't know you might be, in which case lose this thought that communists try to be nice and perfect little Angels who care about feelings. Then try harder.
You brought up an incorrect point and it was corrected. Why does this upset you or feel like a personal attack? Why don't you stop taking it add such?

[Marshal of the People]

Dammit! Mine is 142. I wanted 150 LOL. I'm ridiculous.


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That's okay, it isn't actually a good measure of intelligence anyway.

[Marshal of the People]

Well Takayuki, I see that you hate me already. I was not bragging about myself in the least. I was simply stating the truth of what happened to me. You should not hate me or be prejudiced against me because I am simply telling my story. In fact, when people like you belittle others for telling the truth, you are not showing much intelligence yourself. Belittling people is very wrong. I would never do that to anyone, no matter how smart or dumb they appeared to be. Even people who treat me bad, cuss me out, say hateful things, I never get mad or treat them the same way.

I experience the same abuse actually. I am pretty sure it is done mostly out of jealousy. You just have to learn to ignore it.

[Atsumari]

I dunno about that Marshal. Hell, I even have trouble figuring out your political tendency at times because you are so full of yourself half of the time.
I guess if there is something to be jealous about, it would be the most self-centered narcissistic regular on this forum? No thank you.

Even your name reeks of narcissism.

[Full Metal Bolshevik]

IQ is flawed, but it's not as insignificant as some people in this topic imply.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

And now imma throw some more shit in here:

People with ADD/ADHD often have higher IQ's because they need to make up for their "flaws". Forgetting shit all the time makes one very resourceful and creative.

So there is the mental-"disability"-coping factor as well.

[TriPac Dude]

I am NOT bragging, being arrogant, none of it! I am simply telling what I have experienced. I very rarely ever talk about smart versus dumb. It's simply not in my nature. I can't help that I was born with a higher IQ than the average person, excelled in academics, or talk over people's heads. I didn't choose this life, I simply just got handed it. Same with all my mental disorders. Maybe if some of you had taken the time to read my other thread about mental disorders, you would hear more of my story and be a bit more compassionate towards me and people like me.

[Halert]

I am NOT bragging, being arrogant, none of it! I am simply telling what I have experienced. I very rarely ever talk about smart versus dumb. It's simply not in my nature. I can't help that I was born with a higher IQ than the average person, excelled in academics, or talk over people's heads. I didn't choose this life, I simply just got handed it. Same with all my mental disorders. Maybe if some of you had taken the time to read my other thread about mental disorders, you would hear more of my story and be a bit more compassionate towards me and people like me.

If you say you don't want to brag i will believe you, but you do come over as barging. If you bring up the fact that you have a high IQ people will assume you do it because you want to brag, this is part of basic human interaction i suggest you learn it.

The points you brought up about lefties having an higher IQ and or being smarter is a stupid point even if its true. We don't atack you, we atack the point that you made, please learn the difference.


I experience the same abuse actually. I am pretty sure it is done mostly out of jealousy. You just have to learn to ignore it.
I'm very jealous of your vigilance against terrorism. Accusing you fellow comrades of terrorism for giving prisoners aid, good job.

[Philosophos]

IQ tests can't be accurate because of the different knowledge that each one of us has and because of the difference in everyones brain. I might be good at philosophical discussions, maths and astronomy, but if you tell me to change a tire or tell me how to reboot my laptop I will start screaming like a monkey and going crazy because I don't know shit, while on the other hand there are lots of people (like my father for instance) that can't solve 2+2 but he can make his own fucking airplane if he has the parts while he didn't study anything.

Soooo inteligence/IQ is not something very accurate/important.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

or talk over people's heads

You don't talk over people's heads, you're just unable to communicate yourself well. People who interpret this as necessarily the results of others lesser intelligence are arrogant twits. As has already been said, your IQ results doesn't mean anything at all. You are not born with IQ, it is a not a biological component, it is the result of a useless test. Now go join Mensa or some shit so you can sit and think you have something in common with the rest of the members (i.e. being arrogant dicks) and circle-jerk about IQ test results, do some lame competition; maybe sign up for a quiz television show.

[TriPac Dude]

Takayuki, you sure are prejudiced against me. I absolutely can't stand people like you who make fun of others, belittle them, call names, insult them, and just generally be an a-hole. I have absolutely zero tolerance for this kind of rude behavior. I always try to treat everyone, whether its face to face or on a forum, with respect and kindness. But if you keep disrespecting me, and treating me like some subhuman animal, then yeah, I'll get pretty pissed off and angry. And you and your supporters are really starting to get on my nerves with your rude comments.

[Atsumari]

Damn, you sound like royalty. I hope you know what that means in a leftist circle.

[Taters]

Takayuki, you sure are prejudiced against me. I absolutely can't stand people like you who make fun of others, belittle them, call names, insult them, and just generally be an a-hole. I have absolutely zero tolerance for this kind of rude behavior. I always try to treat everyone, whether its face to face or on a forum, with respect and kindness. But if you keep disrespecting me, and treating me like some subhuman animal, then yeah, I'll get pretty pissed off and angry. And you and your supporters are really starting to get on my nerves with your rude comments.

"You called me arrogant, YOU MONSTER! I must be a lesser human to you!"

Yeah, your problem is you interpret every comment critical of you as super traumatic abuse.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Takayuki, you sure are prejudiced against me. I absolutely can't stand people like you who make fun of others, belittle them, call names, insult them, and just generally be an a-hole. I have absolutely zero tolerance for this kind of rude behavior. I always try to treat everyone, whether its face to face or on a forum, with respect and kindness. But if you keep disrespecting me, and treating me like some subhuman animal, then yeah, I'll get pretty pissed off and angry. And you and your supporters are really starting to get on my nerves with your rude comments.

Oh, make fun of others, in this case? Where? I'm saying you are thinking too highly of yourself. While we can all slip up sometimes and forget how daft and useless we all are, you seem terribly offended at being characterised as arrogant, despite continuing to reënforce this image by constantly insinuating your various superiority, indeed, you take this as being a sub-human animal because I dare imply that you are not special or superior. You are not special, you are not above.

Who are my supporters, by the way? I don't know most people here. I have no personal relation to the majority, and I dare say I am not well-liked, because I am not very nice and I get angry easily, and if they knew me closer they'd surely loathe me even more. A certain racist poster on these forums, seems to think I regard myself highly - like you do - but he is mistaken in that regard. I have nothing but contempt for myself and I am worthless. Still, you need to get off your high-horse and realise you're not above others; all the stuff they tell you about how great you are? It's not true.

[Tim Cornelis]

I have done one official IQ test, and it arranges various scores by different facets. If the mathematical component or facet was the entire IQ test my IQ would be, if I remember correctly, 75 or something. :mellow:


It's funny, becuse that's exactly how intelligence "tests" were used by racists and social Darwinists in the early half of the 20th century. Immigrants would come to America, and these "psychologists" would give them IQ tests that asked questions like "where is Harvard located?"

Obviously, most immigrants came out as mentally retarded. The results were used as racialist propaganda.

Africans supposedly having an IQ of 67:


As it turns out, Lynn’s 67 is based in part on children who lost points because:

Some were not used to pencils and could not draw. One boy said it was the first time he ever drew a picture.
Some were not familiar with line drawings.
Some did not wear Western clothes and so did not draw people that way.
Many did not know about telephones, tennis, dollars, miles or other things common in America.

[TriPac Dude]

I have never thought that I was better than anyone else. I have been hurt by so many people over my life that I am very sensitive to people's comments. I am not lording anything over anyone. It's just that so many people have treated me mean and belittled me for who knows what, that I get hurt easily. I also have a lot of mental problems that probably don't help things out. Please respect me, and don't hurt me anymore. If you don't want me on here anymore just say so and I will be gone from here forever. I promise I won't bother any of you or post on here anymore.

[Sentinel]

I don't think there is anything wrong, in the sense that it would be reactionary, with bragging about scoring high in IQ tests. But it can of course be done in a way that is asshole-ish, which is negative of course.

I don't get the impression OP did that on purpose, although they probably easily came off as doing just that.. I haven't done one as an adult, I remember doing an internet one - likely one of the first there was - in english (3rd language for me) as a kid, and it was over 100 at least so I was satisfied.

Then I think they had us do one when I did my mandatory military service, but I don't think they ever gave us the results, or if so I didn't check. A bit nervous to do one today tbh. :o

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

I have never thought that I was better than anyone else. I have been hurt by so many people over my life that I am very sensitive to people's comments. I am not lording anything over anyone. It's just that so many people have treated me mean and belittled me for who knows what, that I get hurt easily. I also have a lot of mental problems that probably don't help things out. Please respect me, and don't hurt me anymore. If you don't want me on here anymore just say so and I will be gone from here forever. I promise I won't bother any of you or post on here anymore.

Hey TPD,
I really don't think most people have anything against you, so much as they do against:

a) IQ tests in conceptual terms, given their racist history, their pseudo-scientific pretensions, etc.

and

b) The assertion that communists' or socialists' politics represent an unusual or superior type of intelligence. Case in point, I personally know an incredibly dedicated comrade who suffers from developmental disorders which put his IQ well below the average. As a child, doctors told his parents he would never read. Of course, through amazing perseverance, he not only learned to read, but also writes prolifically (albeit with a quirky disregard for norms of spelling - a habit he has a very legitimate theoretical defence of). His supposedly "low" intelligence has by no means prevented him from being a committed communist, nor a empathetic and caring friend. Which, of course, brings us back to "a".

[BIXX]

I am NOT bragging, being arrogant, none of it! I am simply telling what I have experienced. I very rarely ever talk about smart versus dumb. It's simply not in my nature. I can't help that I was born with a higher IQ than the average person, excelled in academics, or talk over people's heads. I didn't choose this life, I simply just got handed it. Same with all my mental disorders. Maybe if some of you had taken the time to read my other thread about mental disorders, you would hear more of my story and be a bit more compassionate towards me and people like me.

To the bold: cry me a fucking river. "Boo hoo, I'm too smart for you, that's obviously why you don't like me! Wahhhh! Be compassionate to me!"

Seriously, get a fucking reality check.

Second, I don't believe that you have accomplished all that you say you have.

Third, even if you did, it proves that all this academic achievement and IQ achievement BS means nothing, cause you would know that you aren't born with a high IQ.

Fourth, you are being arrogant and bragging.

And finally, fifth, how is not liking you because you're being arrogant the same as not being sympathetic to your mental disorders?

And here's the reality check: you, along with every other person ever, are incredibly fucking average. That doesn't mean that every single person isn't extraordinary in their own way, but that you aren't better than anyone else.

tl;dr you are not special, even if you are extraordinary. And quit bragging.

[Full Metal Bolshevik]

Dude, if you're so smart, help us out and figure the best way to achieve Communism :D

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I have never thought that I was better than anyone else. I have been hurt by so many people over my life that I am very sensitive to people's comments. I am not lording anything over anyone. It's just that so many people have treated me mean and belittled me for who knows what, that I get hurt easily. I also have a lot of mental problems that probably don't help things out. Please respect me, and don't hurt me anymore. If you don't want me on here anymore just say so and I will be gone from here forever. I promise I won't bother any of you or post on here anymore.

I don't care about you. I am indifferent to your presence. But if you really want to avoid stirring bad feelings in people, you should perhaps try to think twice about what you are writing to avoid coming of as arrogant. I am assuming here that you are serious and not a troll, simply for the sake of argument (as one can never really know that, I suppose). This can be hard to see if one is a bit absent-minded about it (often I am rude because any disagreement makes me so angry I cannot help but merely shout obscenities and not formulate any coherent response what-so-ever in the heat of the moment), but I don't think it would be impossible to avoid for you should you be earnest about it.

[adipocere]

Threads like this diminish the atmosphere of the entire forum. There are countless spaces on the internet for annoying people to stroke their egos and feel sorry for themselves. This thread should be trashed - it's not even an honest discussion about IQ - it was just a way for the OP to draw attention to himself.

[Rafiq]

In reality we are all morons, the difference comes in those who recognize it. We are all worthless, simple apes whose alleged brilliance is a projection of rather simple, animalistic behavior. There are a variety of factors which may or may not enable you to succeed in such tests, however absolutely none of them involve a "superior intelligence". Oft times what I see is those that prattle of intelligence tend to be the worst kind of idiots.

"Intelligence" should not be a component of your ego. Furthermore, no one man is intelligent. "Intelligence" is the utilization of your brain power for an external cause, an external desire. It is a relentless thirst for something that the brain realizes a higher potential. The brain, thus, should be seen as an object from which we utilize to attain our goals, the brain is a means to a greater ends, for no ends is as worthless as the well being or alleged power human brain.

[cyu]

If I have the ability to build a gun out of spare parts, that doesn't mean I'll have a gun unless I get access to the appropriate parts.

When the ruling class wants to control their subjects, they make sure the appropriate parts are not available. Instead the general population is fed a steady diet of half-truths, misinformation, and outright lies. No matter what your ability, you can't get very far with input like that.

On the other hand, if we assume some synthesis of actual facts will lead to ideology X, then we can probably assume that followers of ideology X would be more informed than those who merely regurgitate what is fed to them by the ruling class.

[TriPac Dude]

It's obvious no matter how hard I try to convince you people that this thread was not started to make me superior to anyone, or for an egotistical reason. I will say one more thing to you, before I leave here and never come back: people like you who show absolutely no compassion, no feelings for anyone and what they have been through that makes them what they are, are complete losers in my opinion. You should never jump to conclusions about someone until you know the whole truth behind that persons story. I am sick of being called names, belittled, and told that I was "arrogant" and "egotistical" when I've told all you people a hundred times that is complete bullshit. No one deserves to be treated the way I've been treated on here just because I stated a simple fact about myself and my experiences. If anything, the people who have said the most bad about me (and I'll be nice and not mention any names) are the least intelligent and most arrogant people around because they can't see past themselves or have insight into anyone else's lives. I'm sorry, but some of you people have some very big problems. You are almost sociopathic in the way you seem to delight in harassing and torturing me when I've told you my problems and repeatedly asked you to stop. If you want to be respected and have people be your friends and like you, you just can't do crap like that. I thought people here would have a little more respect and empathy for people who have social skills problems, but I see that's not the case. I, nor anyone else, deserves to be treated the way I have been. In fact, I don't want to associate, talk to, or have any relations with people like that. So I will leave here and never post again, so you won't have to worry about it. You will all probably sing your victory song when you read this. Good for you. I hope that makes you proud for what you've done. And then I'm sure you'll find some other poor person to trash and hate like you did me. So screw you all!

[#FF0000]

It's obvious no matter how hard I try to convince you people that this thread was not started to make me superior to anyone, or for an egotistical reason.

no one is making that big a deal out of this. chill.

[Full Metal Bolshevik]

Well, it does kinda seem like it, considering this reached 4 pages.

[Marshal of the People]

Dude, if you're so smart, help us out and figure the best way to achieve Communism :D
Only I am that smart.:lol:

[Alan OldStudent]

..... Case in point, I personally know an incredibly dedicated comrade who suffers from developmental disorders which put his IQ well below the average. As a child, doctors told his parents he would never read. Of course, through amazing perseverance, he not only learned to read, but also writes prolifically (albeit with a quirky disregard for norms of spelling - a habit he has a very legitimate theoretical defence of). His supposedly "low" intelligence has by no means prevented him from being a committed communist, nor a empathetic and caring friend. Which, of course, brings us back to "a".

That's a fascinating story, Comrade. Thanks for bringing it up.

What we should remember about ourselves as revolutionaries at this point in time is that so many of us have had difficulty adjusting to the insanity of modern life. At best, instead of blaming ourselves, we look to what it is in the social order that is so damaging. The OP strikes me as being a very sensitive person who has suffered socially and notices he has a certain understanding of what our world is that many, maybe most, miss.

To the OP: Hang in there. Your feelings are not unique. We all have our schtick. Don't take things said here too personally.

Regards,

Alan OldStudent
The unexamined life is not worth living—Socrates
Gracias a la vida, que me ha dado tanto—Violeta Parra

[Althusser]

I have heard that conservatives and republicans have lower IQ scores than more liberal, left leaning people. Personally I agree.

What is there to agree about? There is a troublesome misconception that intelligence would logically have anything to do with the class you fight for or whether the maintenance or destruction of the status quo is your objective. An intelligent capitalist will fight for his class. A worker with an understanding of his material interest in communism will embrance proletarian ideology and fight for his class. Intelligent or not, people will fight in their own material interests. I wouldn't say that an intelligent worker would fight for his class, because since the ruling class has ideological hegemony in any class based society, it is a difficult undertaking for the proletariat to spit out the bourgeois ideology they were interpellated with and rid themselves of their petty-bourgeois aspirations. A process all of us, me included, as subjects to dominant ideology have to face.

The larger point I'm trying to make is that saying that intelligence can determine someone's political views undermines the class part of the class struggle. It alludes to some kind of idealist "totality of people" humanism that is anti-marxist and petty-bourgeois.



I have had an accredited IQ test and scored somewhere between 170 and 180. That means I am one in about 400 or less people in the US who have scored that high or higher. That puts me in the 99.9999% group.

Cool story bro.

[TriPac Dude]

Many thanks to the last two posts on here. Finally, someone who is understanding of my position in this world. I know I said I wouldn't post here any more if I was going to be constantly harrassed and belittled, but I see that some of you do have an understanding of what I was trying to say without being arrogant or bragging, as some of you have repeatedly suggested. We're all in this together, so lets all get along and put our opinions and hatred of one another aside and work for the benefit of everyone who inhabits this planet.

[Devrim]

I took one IQ test at 16 and I scored 101 - three points below the (apparent) average in the UK, although I can't remember which test I was given so it's kind of meaningless.

The average score on any IQ test is 100. The way that the system works is that 100 is set at the mean point. The idea that the UK average IQ is 103 is absurd even within the IQ systems own logic. The average IQ is always 100. The system doesn't claim to measure intelligence as an abstract quantity, but relative intelligence.

Just to make it clear, I think that the whole system is pretty worthless anyway.

Devrim

[Igor]

The average score on any IQ test is 100. The way that the system works is that 100 is set at the mean point. The idea that the UK average IQ is 103 is absurd even within the IQ systems own logic. The average IQ is always 100. The system doesn't claim to measure intelligence as an abstract quantity, but relative intelligence.

Just to make it clear, I think that the whole system is pretty worthless anyway.

Devrim

wait

at the risk of sounding dumb here, how does any of that mean uk average couldnt be 103? i'd assume the 100 here would be an international average and britons just happen to score slightly higher as a group. its not like the 100 is the average in all contexts and groups, like a group of friends or a single town.

[Devrim]

wait

at the risk of sounding dumb here, how does any of that mean uk average couldnt be 103? i'd assume the 100 here would be an international average and britons just happen to score slightly higher as a group. its not like the 100 is the average in all contexts and groups, like a group of friends or a single town.

Because each score is not as set amount of intelligence, but proportional to others on a given test. To have a figure that said that UK citizens averaged at 103, you would have to run the same test across the entire world. I suppose theoretically it could have been done, but I suspect it is just a nonsense statistic that someone has made up.

Even if it were true, it would still be essentially meaningless, as IQ tests are supposed to be accurate to within one S.D., which in this case means about 15 points either way.

However, if it was seriously being put forward that UK inhabitants were 3% more intelligent on average than the average human, this would be something of massive significance. There would be loads of people talking about it in the scientific community, and loads of researchers trying to discover what made them so clever. There aren't. I would suspect that this is because this is a nonsense figure that although it perhaps was based on some statistics originally is essentially a load of rubbish.

Devrim

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

Okay,i'm gonna go trough the trouble of actually answering OP's Q.

It is generally believed that people with high IQ's are somewhat defiant of hierarchy by nature and therefor probably more likely to turn to leftism.

To add to that is how i think about Nationalism and other rightist thought: mostly made by emotion. While Leftists make decisions with their heads, rightists tend to make their decision by their emotions.

BUT (!), to think rightists are therefor stupid or have lesser IQ's is underestimation of humanity. And underestimating your enemy is deadly.

[Derendscools]

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[avangard]

IQ tests are shit. I believe in the Multiple Intelligences Theory. IQ tests just measure your Logical Thinking Abilities but still being mmore logical doesn't make you superior.

[TC]

...No one so far in this thread claiming particular IQ scores has actually said what IQ test they took.

IQ is not some consistent universal number. The same person can get very different scores depending on what IQ test they take because different IQ tests test different things and are scaled differently.

And none of the online tests purporting to be IQ tests are "real" IQ tests.

Which is to say the sort of IQ tests recognized by psychologists.

But then, the notion of IQ tests presumes that there is such a thing as 'general intelligence' which is frankly nonsense. All IQ tests (and here I mean the 'real' ones, not online tests) at their best can do is measure performance in certain particular tasks - tasks that do not necessarily correspond with the ways that intelligence manifests in real life. The type of tasks chosen are totally arbitrary. The weighting of those tasks against each other in determining how much each contributes to the overall score, totally arbitrary. And as alluded to before, they aren't even consistent between IQ tests.

So while IQ in general is an artificial concept barely related to intelligence in a meaningful sense, the claim that "my IQ is 1xx" is ridiculous. People don't possess IQ scores like height or weight. If you took a different test, you'd get a different number. Even if you took the same test a different time, you'd almost certainly get a different number.

Additionally, far from measuring any innate intelligence, IQ tests like the SATs are highly trainable and people will perform better simply from being exposed to similar test material multiple times.

[synthesis]

I don't remember which specific test I took, but I do remember that I had several completely different scores in different areas, kind of like the SATs as well: verbal, mathematical, etc. I also remember (I was 16 or 17) thinking that my scores probably would have been pretty different if I'd had more caffeine or less sleep or more prescription psychoactive drugs.

[TC]

Sufficient sleep and optimal test taking time would almost certainly improve test performance. In terms of caffeine, I think results are mixed depending on dose and demographics: http://iospress.metapress.com/content/lw1630245745v088/

Ritalin reliably improves some sorts of iq-test type performances and not others (whether someone is allegedly 'adhd' or not)

Nicotine also improves IQ test scores and memory:

- http://www.sott.net/article/269265-Brain-Researchers-Smoking-increases-intelligence

[PhoenixAsh]

Quick addition and I am not sure if this has already been measured: IQ tests are socially tailored and stabdardized to the socio economic subculture they are supposed to reflect. This is why IQ standardization has been used to legitimize social constructs such as racism

[Red Economist]

I took an IQ on the internet a while ago (so no, not reliable even by IQ standards) and I think it came out about 120 or so. As no-one has said it yet, It isn't your intelligence that matters- but what you do with it. A 'stupid' person who has the courage to think for themselves will ultimately trump a 'intelligent' person who conforms in the real world and obeys the rules. The 'stupid' guy will see the sh*t coming, whilst the 'smart' guy will stay put and get screwed. Smart people make just as good fascists as "dum" people, and can actually be a lot worse because they can put their intelligence to fulfill their evil intent.

But yeah, 'smart' people struggle in social situations, often because they can see past the bullsh*t and because they haven't learned the social cues to know when to stop talking and let things go. There is more than one way to be 'intelligent'; I spend alot of my time thinking, so I would be very good at abstract reasoning (hence dialectics is quite a buzz), but there is 'social' intelligence in how you asses a situation with other people. I'm very envious of people who obviously have mastered that art and can walk confidently into a room and strike up a conversation and be nice to everyone. But it's not genetic, so if I keep working at it- I'll get their eventually.

For the hell of it, I'm going to put the boat out and say that intelligence doesn't matter. For the most part, if you can look after yourself, do a good job and enjoy the company of other people, in the short-run at least, intelligence doesn't make much difference. In the longer-term, thinking about what your going to do next does matter, and intelligence is best at planning things out and anticipating what's around the corner. But the ruling class does like to play the "I'm smarter than you" card as a way to put people down, which isn't fair on them.

BTW Communism/Anarchism are ideologies- so they are an umbrella for a lot of people with different 'intelligences'. What we have in common is social deviancy, so we're not the best bunch of people to be around as most of us have a lot of problems and like to vent and call it "revolution".
But again- how 'intelligence' is assessed is waaaaaaaaaaay open to debate.

[The Jay]

It doesn't matter how agile your mind is if you don't have the will to make things happen. This idea of 'intelligence' divorced from action does not show anything in the real world.

[RedAnarchist]

After 130 or so, the number is essentially meaningless anyway, so 170 for example is not much better than 131.

[BIXX]

BTW Communism/Anarchism are ideologies- so they are an umbrella for a lot of people with different 'intelligences'. What we have in common is social deviancy, so we're not the best bunch of people to be around as most of us have a lot of problems and like to vent and call it "revolution".


Wat

I don't think so, at least I've never encountered this.

[slum]

IQ tests are bunk and worthless for all the reasons folks have already mentioned. i'm going to answer this question anyway because i was assessed when i was 9 by a psychologist using the WISC. i scored either 149 or 151, can't remember exactly.

i used to be a libertarian and i don't think my "IQ" is any higher now than it was then, so no, i don't think your ability to score high on an IQ test is in any way correlated to political ideology OR intelligence. i also frequently leave my phone in the refrigerator, try to take things out of the oven without gloves on, and i still don't know my multiplication tables. so make of that what you will.

[sub lumpen filth]

I have never thought that I was better than anyone else. I have been hurt by so many people over my life that I am very sensitive to people's comments. I am not lording anything over anyone. It's just that so many people have treated me mean and belittled me for who knows what, that I get hurt easily. I also have a lot of mental problems that probably don't help things out. Please respect me, and don't hurt me anymore. If you don't want me on here anymore just say so and I will be gone from here forever. I promise I won't bother any of you or post on here anymore.

See that's part of your problem though. You don't "think" your better than anyone else(your too GOOD to do something like that right?) but your actions prove otherwise. I know it's hard for you to see, but I think it also ties into you playing the victim card. Try to fancy the concept that maybe you really do behave as if your better than everyone else, even if you can't see it. Face it, your no better than anyone else - we have all made mistakes and continue to make them and will forever and ever - we are all shit, we are all be beautiful, and we all have the potential to be so much better than we are right now. None of this has much to do with communism though. or does it?

[Црвена]

IQ tests are just yet another way to use a meaningless social construct to divide the human population. They're as bad as national identity. I personally think intelligence is immeasurable and has way too many dimensions to be calculated by a test. And anyway, the fact that I got 162 demonstrates that these tests are crap. I'm not trying to put myself down or anything - I don't think I'm stupid and could call myself bright - but I'm by no means a genius, and anyone who knows me will agree.

[Loony Le Fist]

As a ton of people have already pointed out, the so-called IQ test is a culturally biased piece of rubbish.

After all, mine is over 9000.

[Sea]

The average score on any IQ test is 100. The way that the system works is that 100 is set at the mean point. The idea that the UK average IQ is 103 is absurd even within the IQ systems own logic. The average IQ is always 100.I thought they tested a "representative" group of people and used the average of those to define what 100 is. Thus any country (or county or family or continent or booty call pairing) can be above or below the average. It must be this way - otherwise there would have to be a separate per-country test, per-ethnicity test, per-degree test, etc, because the average is liable to change each time people are added to it or subtracted from it.
I am NOT bragging, being arrogant, none of it! I am simply telling what I have experienced. I very rarely ever talk about smart versus dumb. It's simply not in my nature. I can't help that I was born with a higher IQ than the average person, excelled in academics, or talk over people's heads. I didn't choose this life, I simply just got handed it. Same with all my mental disorders. Maybe if some of you had taken the time to read my other thread about mental disorders, you would hear more of my story and be a bit more compassionate towards me and people like me.You are not talking over any of our heads yet. I'll believe it when I see it - one cannot feign to be smarter than one really is, because the intelligence needed to do so would be lacking. Once you are unable to actually demonstrate your intelligence for the above reason we'll all be sure how full of shit you are.

Muahahaa I'm so clever...