Peter Tatchell v's the SPGB

[whichfinder]

What are we going to do about capitalism?

Debate between Peter Tatchell and the SPGB

Wednesday, March 5, 2014 - Doors open 6.30pm

Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square, London WC1R 4RL

Nearest tube: Holborn on Central and Piccadilly lines

Admission Free

[The Feral Underclass]

Why is this happening?

[Manic Impressive]

Usually when two sides think there is a problem with something but have opposing views about the cause and the remedy for such a problem they get together and talk about it. In a debate they usually do it in front of an audience.

That's why it's happening :)

I'm sure you know the SPGB's position on capitalism but here's Peter Tatchell's

http://www.petertatchell.net/social_justice/economicdemocracy.htm

[The Feral Underclass]

Usually when two sides think there is a problem with something but have opposing views about the cause and the remedy for such a problem they get together and talk about it. In a debate they usually do it in front of an audience.

That's why it's happening :)

Yeah, but why? Since when have the SPGB or Peter Tatchell given a shit about what each other think?

[Manic Impressive]

I'm not sure that we do, either side. The debate is for the audience to listen to both arguments and then decide for themselves. Hopefully some of those who attend will get to hear some real socialism for a change. Who knows it might inspire someone or change their minds.

We'll be debating UKIP a month later. I can certainly say that we don't give a shit about what they think. But we'll be happy to destroy their arguments.

[The Feral Underclass]

Fair enough.

[Comrade Jacob]

Can anybody who is going record this?

[Manic Impressive]

Yes it will definitely be recorded.

[whichfinder]

Yes it will definitely be recorded.

Even better; it will be filmed... :)

[Brotto Rühle]

Yes it will definitely be recorded.

With the usual SPGB potato?

[The Idler]

is this a reference to the audio recording device? haha

[Manic Impressive]

With the usual SPGB potato?
Potato? We usually use two tin cans and a bit of string. But this time we're hiring someone to film it.

[whichfinder]

But this time we're hiring someone to film it.

Just to be clear; as with almost every activity undertaken by the Party it's being done voluntarily...

[whichfinder]

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[reb]

Potato? We usually use two tin cans and a bit of string. But this time we're hiring someone to film it.

If these debates are common then why doesn't the SPGB splurge our on a decent portable recording device like zoom or tascam? You can get a half way good one for a hundred or so bucks.

[The Idler]

A Zoom audio recorder is being used by the SPGB to record audio.

[fear of a red planet]

Clifford Slapper is a great name, certainly the second best socialist Cliff namewise after Cliff Slaughter.

[whichfinder]

"Peter Tatchell has been a tireless and brave campaigner against human injustice over many years and several continents. There is one campaign, however, which he has always declined to join. The campaign to actually END world capitalism. And, after all, that is the system which inevitably continues to generate the denial of human rights he abhors."

"In this debate I will be setting out the case against world capitalism and in favour of an immediate democratic revolution across the world to create a genuinely socialist system of society."

"The time is now ripe for putting an end to the profit system with all of its obscene contradictions, its class division, its constant creation of poverty, misery and conflict. Any attempt to solve social problems without removing capitalism is doomed to fail over and over again, because it is the capitalist system which automatically continues to generate those problems."

"It is time for us to stop treating socialism or communism as taboo words. Both of those terms simply mean a commonality, a sharing, a joint control of the planet's resources by all of humanity, democratically organised. That is the only practical, desirable or noble goal to proclaim in the world today, and it becomes more and more viable the more people talk about it as our immediate goal, now, rather than relegate it as a nice ideal for the distant future, as idealistic reformers like Peter Tatchell have been doing for generations."

Clifford Slapper - SPGB representative in the forthcoming debate

[whichfinder]

Comrades,

Volunteers needed to help distribute advertising for the Tatchell debate, meet outside Goodge Street Tube station (Northern Line) at 12 Noon on Friday 28th February 2014.

We will leaflet in nearby Malet Street, home to the University of London Student Union (ULU), RADA, Senate House, Birkbeck College, London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (so lots of undergraduates milling about), also University of London Halls of Residence in Malet Street: College Hall, nearby other Halls of Residence in Tavistock Square (Connaught Hall), Lansdowne Terrace (International Hall), Cartwright Gardens (Garden Halls).

Cask Ale and food to be had at the Museum Tavern, 49 Great Russell Street, Bloomsbury, London, WC1B 3BA, the British Museum was built in the 1760's and the pub changed its name to suit. The Museum Tavern was expanded in 1855. Past customers include, J.B. Priestley, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and Karl Marx.

Map showing Goodge Street, Malet Street and Great Russell Street:

http://www.london.ac.uk/fileadmin/documents/home/map.pdf (http://www.london.ac.uk/fileadmin/documents/home/map.pdf)

For Socialism

Steve Clayton
Campaigns Committee

[email protected] ([email protected])

[The Idler]

the leafleting for this is this Friday.

[Manic Impressive]

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