Would a career in Finance be considered heresy?

[Schumpeter]

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[Sinister Intents]

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Have whatever job you want to survive under the bullshit of capitalism, and that's assuming you can even get the job, quite a few jobs are set up for a select few to get into. I'm a business administration and marketing major. I hate it.

[Schumpeter]

Have whatever job you want to survive under the bullshit of capitalism, and that's assuming you can even get the job, quite a few jobs are set up for a select few to get into. I'm a business administration and marketing major. I hate it.

Why don't you do something that you enjoy instead?

[TheSocialistMetalhead]

Heresy? What, are we some cult now? Is Marx God? Is Lenin Jesus? Is Kropotkin Mohammed? Is Rosa Luxemburg Shiva? Is Chomsky the pope? And last but not least, isn't there an obvious undertone of animosity in that question?

On a more serious note though, I know a comrade who works for a bank and another one who studies accounting and finance.
Do I think this is slightly hypocritical? Yes and no, we have no choice but to sell our labour, if they're comrades that tells me they want to fight back and see their skills be used for different things. Really, if you extrapolate this line of thought you end up with the argument that you're supporting capitalism by just having a job and selling your labour while you simply have to do it to survive. That does sound a bit dramatic and I guess you could always look for a job in a different sector but in the end , someone will end up doing the job, so it may as well be you.

[Per Levy]

Why don't you do something that you enjoy instead?

do you live in a small dream like bubble where there is a abundance fo all kind of jobs and you just pick the one you like the most? most workers are "lucky" enough to have a job, no matter how shitty it is, many workers dont even have that "luck" and are desperatly searching for work. that is the real world and the reality of most workers world wide.

[Sinister Intents]

Why don't you do something that you enjoy instead?

I enjoy the work that I do, but I do not enjoy the schooling because its obviously capitalist and I detest capitalism. If we lived under socialism I would still be doing construction work, and specifically concrete work. Whether it be decorative or plain/flat work. I can do anything with concrete and I've been trained by my father how to do all of the work. Currently our business has no employees because I've had to lay off reactionary and destructive employees. I literally do the majority of the work in this business. I wish I could just do it all year round and do the work for anyone and everyone who wants awesome concrete art. I enjoy this work, its what I love.

[Schumpeter]

Heresy? What, are we some cult now? Is Marx God? Is Lenin Jesus? Is Kropotkin Mohammed? Is Rosa Luxemburg Shiva? Is Chomsky the pope? And last but not least, isn't there an obvious undertone of animosity in that question?

On a more serious note though, I know

I actually did google the word heresy to avoid causing offence, it read "Heresy is any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs or customs"

So the established beliefs and or customs are those held by the 'Rev left community'

[Schumpeter]

do you live in a small dream like bubble where there is a abundance fo all kind of jobs and you just pick the one you like the most? most workers are "lucky" enough to have a job, no matter how shitty it is, many workers dont even have that "luck" and are desperatly searching for work. that is the real world and the reality of most workers world wide.

He sounds like he has options, he has inherited a business. He is hardly one of the 'workers' you are referring to, so my reply was in context to my pre existing knowledge about his position. He also said he is at college, so we are NOT talking about a JOB we are talking about a DEGREE so there is choice. (before I knew his dad was cajoling him into that line of work)

[Sinister Intents]

I actually did google the word heresy to avoid causing offence, it read "Heresy is any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs or customs"

So the established beliefs and or customs are those held by the 'Rev left community'

Its not heresy to have an occupation or job. RevLeft is made up of many, many different people who do many, many different things. Communism isn't a lifestyle or a religion, so saying an occupation is heresy does nothing but cause problems. I'm sure there are some 'leftists' somewhere who try to more proletarian than others. But I question if these cultish 'leftists' are actually left

[TheSocialistMetalhead]

I actually did google the word heresy to avoid causing offence, it read "Heresy is any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs or customs"

So the established beliefs and or customs are those held by the 'Rev left community'

There's no established rule of conduct and you have to admit that the word 'heresy' has some very negative connotations. You could have been a bit more tactful in the way you describe these things, not that all the 'comrades' here will do that but what can I say? Even revolutionary socialists can be impolite.:grin:

[Schumpeter]

There's no established rule of conduct and you have to admit that the word 'heresy' has some very negative connotations. You could have been a bit more tactful in the way you describe these things, not that all the 'comrades' here will do that but what can I say? Even revolutionary socialists can be impolite.:grin:

Can a reactionary be a comrade too?

[Sinister Intents]

Can a reactionary be a comrade too?

"If you tremble indignation at every injustice, then you're a comrade of mine." I think thats a Che quote, I don't consider reactionaries comrades.

[Schumpeter]

Its not heresy to have an occupation or job. RevLeft is made up of many, many different people who do many, many different things. Communism isn't a lifestyle or a religion, so saying an occupation is heresy does nothing but cause problems. I'm sure there are some 'leftists' somewhere who try to more proletarian than others. But I question if these cultish 'leftists' are actually left

Thats good, I don't agree with your arguments but I essentially view politics as a vice of gathering what I want, for example I told my ex girlfriend (who was very lefty) when I first met her, that I was a socialist to sweeten our rapport so to speak. But yeah, Marxism sounds real nice as long as I'm head of the dictatorship of the proletariat. Like I'd be Lenin or Stalin/Khrushchev, otherwise it isn't on.

[TheSocialistMetalhead]

Can a reactionary be a comrade too?

Since I'm using the term to refer to people sympathetic to a socialist revolution, I'd probably say no. Doesn't mean we can't be friends though :grin:.
One of my friends in highschool was a right wing nationalist, even though I despised his politics, we got along famously :lol:

[IBleedRed]

I knew a comrade who was a financial adviser to high-value clients.

I don't see a problem with it. You have to sell your labor to survive, and it's good to have radicals in high places :grin:

[Fourth Internationalist]

But yeah, Marxism sounds real nice as long as I'm head of the dictatorship of the proletariat. Like I'd be Lenin or Stalin/Khrushchev, otherwise it isn't on.

Stalin and Khrushchev were heads of workers' states where the proletariat held power as the ruling class?

[Rss]

It's pretty scummy alright, but I bet class-conscious people working on those fields know very well just how scummy it is.

[Schumpeter]

If you're a proletarian, then sure, you can be one of many heads of the dictatorship.

Yeah but it isn't happening any time soon. So whats the point in being a marxist, just seems like you are struggling against an irreversible tide by rejecting democracy.

[Marxaveli]

Thats good, I don't agree with your arguments but I essentially view politics as a vice of gathering what I want, for example I told my ex girlfriend (who was very lefty) when I first met her, that I was a socialist to sweeten our rapport so to speak. But yeah, Marxism sounds real nice as long as I'm head of the dictatorship of the proletariat. Like I'd be Lenin or Stalin/Khrushchev, otherwise it isn't on.

Too bad Stalinism has no theoretical continuum to Marxism. And for many of us here, Leninism doesn't either.

The only head of the dictatorship of the proletariat, is the proletariat itself. The notion that one man must lead the proles to the promised land is nothing more than Great Man theory rhetoric, which has no place within a praxis of Marxism.

[IBleedRed]

Yeah but it isn't happening any time soon. So whats the point in being a marxist, just seems like you are struggling against an irreversible tide by rejecting democracy.
lolwut, socialism IS democracy. It's economic democracy.

You can't have a democracy without political equality, and you can't have political equality as long as you have economic inequality (that is, as long as a minority own the means of production and leverage it over others)

Take your bullshit bourgeois democracy and shove it, that's not democracy for the working class

[Sinister Intents]

Yeah but it isn't happening any time soon. So whats the point in being a marxist, just seems like you are struggling against an irreversible tide by rejecting democracy.

My sister made this argument about me being an anarchist. There is a lot of point to being a Marxist or anarchist because we will directly influence people and the next generation with our ideas. The ideas of socialism will persist until capitalism dies off because of an increase in class consciousness or because it falls apart under its own shitty weight. Believe me capitalism is a lot of shit, and no one wants that shit when they realize its shit. We're not rejecting democracy, we want to extend democracy to everyone and create a system that benefits all, and not a few.

[Fourth Internationalist]

Yeah but it isn't happening any time soon. So whats the point in being a marxist, just seems like you are struggling against an irreversible tide by rejecting democracy.

But I don't reject democracy.

[Sinister Intents]

But I don't reject democracy.

Yes you do Link :rolleyes:

[Schumpeter]

But I don't reject democracy.

Many of your fellow rev leftists do, the radical left is rather divided..

[Sinister Intents]

Many of your fellow rev leftists do, the radical left is rather divided..

I don't think I've seen anyone here reject democracy, they reject bourgeois democracy and liberal democracy, but not direct democracy.

[liberlict]

Heresy? What, are we some cult now? Is Marx God? Is Lenin Jesus? Is Kropotkin Mohammed? Is Rosa Luxemburg Shiva? Is Chomsky the pope? And last but not least, isn't there an obvious undertone of animosity in that question?

On a more serious note though, I know a comrade who works for a bank and another one who studies accounting and finance.
Do I think this is slightly hypocritical? Yes and no, we have no choice but to sell our labour, if they're comrades that tells me they want to fight back and see their skills be used for different things. Really, if you extrapolate this line of thought you end up with the argument that you're supporting capitalism by just having a job and selling your labour while you simply have to do it to survive. That does sound a bit dramatic and I guess you could always look for a job in a different sector but in the end , someone will end up doing the job, so it may as well be you.


Marx had a maid, and lived off the exploited labour from Engels's factory, so I mean, any alleged hypocrisy goes back to the founding father heh.

[Sinister Intents]

Marx had a maid, and lived off the exploited labour from Engels's factory, so I mean, any alleged hypocrisy goes back to the founding father heh.

It was Engels's father's factory, this doesn't show hypocrisy, and what is your source on the maid?

[liberlict]

It was Engels's father's factory, this doesn't show hypocrisy, and what is your source on the maid?

Google it.

[Sea]

Most of us are very fond of heresy. So yes, you would be a heretic, but we would applaud you for it if you weren't such a failure.

[Sinister Intents]

Google it.

Too lazy haha. Also just because of things like that, it in no way discounts their theories and practices. Just because Kropotkin supported the allies in WWI doesn't mean I'm going to reject his theories, just because Bakunin had said antisemitic things, that does not mean I'm going to say he's full of shit and not take influence from his politics. The whole hypocrisy thing is bullshit. I'm sure our children will look back at us and be like wow they were fucking reactionary.

[TheSocialistMetalhead]

Marx had a maid, and lived off the exploited labour from Engels's factory, so I mean, any alleged hypocrisy goes back to the founding father heh.

Marx died after having dedicated his life to his ideals and in relative poverty, albeit not the same level of poverty the people he fought for had to face.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Not all careers in finance are equal. Accountants are largely inoffensive, but food speculators (http://wdm.org.uk/food-speculation) need to be put up against a wall pronto.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

Thats good, I don't agree with your arguments but I essentially view politics as a vice of gathering what I want, for example I told my ex girlfriend (who was very lefty) when I first met her, that I was a socialist to sweeten our rapport so to speak. But yeah, Marxism sounds real nice as long as I'm head of the dictatorship of the proletariat. Like I'd be Lenin or Stalin/Khrushchev, otherwise it isn't on.


you keep using that phrase, i do not think it means what you think it means

[IBleedRed]

you keep using that phrase, i do not think it means what you think it means
Nah, he knows that he's throwing around bullshit. It's called trolling.