Money to anarchist prisoners

[WilliamGreen]

So more and more I've been reading the writings/statements from Conspiracy of Fire Cells and FAI and think there some of the best activists we have out there.

There incredibly well spoken/articulate, they put action to paper. And they know how to adapt to the different landscapes (Urban atmosphere, Prisons, etc.)

I know with these groups being revolutionary & insurrectionist they might not have known political/organizational groups representing them, but if any of our european or in the know comrades have info on this I think we should list ways to support them.

Financially, publicity wise, whatever is possible.

Seems europe may be the place to invest for this revolutionary spirit we always talk about ;)

[Sasha]

dont know wheter this is still up to date;


Athens Anarchist Black Cross (Athens ABC) 8 rue Aristidou, 10599 Athens, Greece
Issue: Anarchists (http://www.freedomactivist.net/anarchists.html#orgs), Prison & Prisoner Rights (http://www.freedomactivist.net/justice.html#prisonorgs)
Affiliation: parent Anarchist Black Cross (http://www.freedomactivist.net/orgsa.html#Anarchist%20Black%20Cross) Athens Anarchist Black Cross (Athens ABC) RFD 1, Box 6025, Athens, ME 04912
Issue: Anarchists (http://www.freedomactivist.net/anarchists.html#orgs), Prison & Prisoner Rights (http://www.freedomactivist.net/justice.html#prisonorgs)
Affiliation: parent Anarchist Black Cross (http://www.freedomactivist.net/orgsa.html#Anarchist%20Black%20Cross)

also dont know wheter they still support the CCF prisoners after the prison ambush on a anarchist comrade; http://www.revleft.com/vb/ccf-prisoners-hospitalise-t186297/index.html

[Os Cangaceiros]

RO-Revolutionary Struggle and RO-Conspiracy of Fire Nuclei are both categorized as foreign terrorist organizations by the USA, and the FAI is classified as a terrorist organization by the EU. I'd be careful about funding them directly, I'm not saying don't support them if you really believe in what they're doing, just be careful about it. They're probably not big priorities for the state here but look at Palestine solidarity work as a cautionary tale....

[The Feral Underclass]

I know with these groups being revolutionary & insurrectionist

It is good to support anarchist political prisoners, and any act of solidarity should be commended, but let's be clear about this: setting fire to transmitters, sending letter bombs and knee-capping scientists aren't revolutionary deeds, nor are they acts of insurrection. These acts of violence are incoherent and, frankly, incompetent, and serve no real purpose to anything, not even on their own terms.

[WilliamGreen]

TAT I don't want to argue but I think your being very narrow on those issues. Type out the full story as well as their motives behind the claimed actions and it may appear different, but I respect your opinion, I've enjoyed a lot of your posts and commentary :)

OS C that's very true, I am not from the states though and I have friends in countries that do not list those groups as proscribed so it although it may attract attention as far as I am aware there would be nothing illegal in aiding them.

Psycho thanks for the information.

I am in contact with the international anarchist black cross at the moment to see about chapters relating to these groups and in particular those locations. Seems a lot of these men and woman from the hot bed locations in europe could use our aid.

[The Feral Underclass]

TAT I don't want to argue but I think your being very narrow on those issues.

I am being narrow insofar as I am restricting the definition of an act of insurrection to one in which insurrection actually plays a key component. Calling yourself an insurrectionary anarchist and then shooting someone in the legs isn't an act of insurrection, no matter how much you think it is.


Type out the full story as well as their motives behind the claimed actions and it may appear different, but I respect your opinion, I've enjoyed a lot of your posts and commentary :)

On what possible basis do you imagine that shooting someone in the legs is an act of insurrection?

[WilliamGreen]

I guess my reply didn't go through.

In my own value system I would deem targeting of political officials, finance backers, certain corporations and institutions as very if not purely insurrectionary in nature.

Though in reference to the case you are mentioning I simply don't know enough to comment. I think in my life I've noticed that in direct action sometimes things aren't as black and white as ideology can make them seem. I've seen 'unclean" actions do as much good and harm as "pure & uncontested" operations.

The world seems to not only work on a purely intellectual level of discourse but in the murk.

Additionally you make a good point, There are many things in many groups that I don't agree with but maybe just being old I try not to throw the baby out with the bath water, and for those willing to do something I give them the benefit of the doubt, because if you can't count on those with you than your not gonna ever stand up against those against.

Good point though and I wish I could comment more on that particular case :)

[Sea]

The world seems to not only work on a purely intellectual level of discourse but in the murk.What is "the murk"? Can you qualify this quack concept? By "the murk" you seem to mean "that which has no genuine political content" and thus contradict your own point.
for those willing to do something I give them the benefit of the doubt, because if you can't count on those with you than your not gonna ever stand up against those against.Benito Mussolini was willing to do something. In any event, you must make a proper political analysis if you intend to make a proper political analysis. :rolleyes:
In my own value systemOn second thought, I probably should have stopped reading there.

[WilliamGreen]

Haha sea good on you I was being a bit vague.

That line about my own value system was pretty important and why I started out with it. Everyone always views things differently, that's just a fact of life so I try not to come off as someone who's an asshole hah.

Hmm what I mean by "murk" is kind of how when your in a cause you think the whole world is one way, you think the message is one thing, and you think the political landscape is unfolding in a certain way.

Then you realize "nope" it's undefined, it's not contained by the way you view it going down. Then you start to realize that maybe the actions you did, the message you put out might be understood in different ways too.

So things become a lot more "murky" and I think that explains the world and how it stands as it does.

Sorry for the bastardization it's not what i meant and what i meant at the same time :)