The Ideology you Hate the Most

[Marshal of the People]

Greetings comrades.

I just thought it would be interesting to see what right-wing ideologies were most hated by RevLeft members.


"Anarcho"-capitalism
Fascism (including nazism)
Conservatism
Liberalism
LOLbertarianism ("libertarianism")
State capitalism (including stalinism and maoism)
Other (please name)

[Taters]

Marxism

[IBleedRed]

It's a tie between liberalism and fascism

Libertarianism is reactionary, but it has no real historical substance and is nothing more than a silly indulgence/intellectual masturbation for privileged, white, male Americans. "Anarcho"-capitalism suffers from the same problem in addition to being incoherent. "State capitalism" is, to me, opposed the same as any other form of capitalism. Conservatism means nothing in the absence of a context (time and place), but if you mean American conservatism, then it's just the dominant bourgeois position and I oppose it just the same.

[Marshal of the People]

For me it is a tie between "anarcho"-capitalism and fascism.

[BIXX]

I think we should broaden this to include leftist ideologies as well. That way I can just say all of them and life is a lot easier.

[Marshal of the People]

I think we should broaden this to include leftist ideologies as well. That way I can just say all of them and life is a lot easier.

We probably shouldn't be attacking our comrades, the left hates each other enough.

[BIXX]

We probably shouldn't be attacking our comrades, the left hates each other enough.


It's not attacking my comrades- my comrades are not leftists.

Again, I dislike all ideologies.

[Sinister Intents]

Fuck hard question...... ummmmm

[IBleedRed]

It's not attacking my comrades- my comrades are not leftists.

Again, I dislike all ideologies.
But you're on RevLeft, comrade.

[BIXX]

But you're on RevLeft, comrade.


Well that's rather unfortunate.

But if you look through the post history if a good amount of posters here (including, if my memory holds, a mod or two) they are also not leftists.

Just cause I converse with folks here doesn't mean they're my comrades. I even like a good amount of them, but that still isn't a comrade to me.

[motion denied]

some people are just too edgy, jeez.

[Sinister Intents]

Fucking hate all of them equally!!!

[Tenka]

Bourgeois ideology!
I don't really consider state capitalism to be an ideology... but I guess if you loosely define anything that ends in -ism as an ideology, it could be....

[Ele'ill]

I hate Ideology the most

[the debater]

Fuck hard question...... ummmmm

Seriously, this gets 2 rep points..... :unsure:

I mean no offense whatsoever.

[Marshal of the People]

Seriously, this gets 2 rep points..... :unsure:

Jealous?

[Fourth Internationalist]

Anything called "post-[insert ideology name]"

[Sinister Intents]

Seriously, this gets 2 rep points..... :unsure:

I mean no offense whatsoever.

Gave you one :)

[Slavic]

Nationalism for enforcing citizens and non-citizens

[L.A.P.]

social democracy

[Marshal of the People]

social democracy

They mean well.

[L.A.P.]

that's the danger

[Marshal of the People]

that's the danger

Would you prefer people who mean evil? Like Stalin?

[SovietCommie]

"Anarcho"-capitalism

By definition isn't Anarcho-Capitalism the same as Laissez-faire Capitalism?

[Marshal of the People]

By definition isn't Anarcho-Capitalism the same as Laissez-faire Capitalism?

"Anarcho"-capitalists want to abolish the state, government and all forms of administration and replace it all with private entities. Laissez-fair capitalists on the other hand want a state to "protect the rights to property" and other such nonsense.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

those unspeakable bastards in Robespierre-Marx-Gramsci-Luxemburg-Tito-Chávez Thought with Anarchist Tolstoyan Hoxhaist Influences

[RedWaves]

Libertarianism by a mile.


It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Like they want to magically revert us back to the 1700's and some how that fixes everything, or Ron Paul as a fucking super hero fixes everything.


and before any of you tell me how Libertarians used to be left wing, don't even go that far. They don't give a fuck about "liberty" and "freedom" they should change their name to Capitalists, cause that's more accurate. The whole Ayn Rand masturbation those idiots do is the creepiest shit I have ever seen.

[L.A.P.]

Would you prefer people who mean evil? Like Stalin?

idk what this supposed to mean. If you mean Stalin as the man himself, then you're question is flawed. Unless I'm mistaken, this thread is about which ideological currents do you hate the most, not about what kinds of bourgeois regimes do you hate the most. If that were the case, social democracy would probably be my last answer as that's really the most preferable "face" of existing capitalist relations. However, the ideological content of social democracy is the most successful stigmatization of revolutionary consciousness.

[BIXX]

Libertarianism by a mile.


It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Like they want to magically revert us back to the 1700's and some how that fixes everything, or Ron Paul as a fucking super hero fixes everything.


and before any of you tell me how Libertarians used to be left wing, don't even go that far. They don't give a fuck about "liberty" and "freedom" they should change their name to Capitalists, cause that's more accurate. The whole Ayn Rand masturbation those idiots do is the creepiest shit I have ever seen.


The libertarians weren't left wing, they stole a left wing name.

Fucking read history or something. Your posts have been horridly misinformed lately.

[AnaRchic]

I was about to vote Fascism, but when I think about it "anarcho"-capitalism is by far the worst today. There aren't that many of these people out there, but they are very vocal, and worst of all they succeed in completely demolishing any public understanding of Anarchism.

I wouldn't care if these people just used a different name and didn't try to affiliate themselves with Anarchism. The whole thing is based on a bullshit dictionary definition of the term. Anarchists oppose social hierarchy and stratification, not just the state.

I almost think that because of this absurd bastardization of political theory, we're gonna have to promote "libertarian socialism" as opposed to explicit anarchism if these ideas are going to spread. Thanks AnCaps for causing nothing but confusion and promoting thoroughly reactionary ideas.

[Ocean Seal]

I have met one fascist in my life, but I have been more unfortunate with lolbertarians. Certainly the fascists are worse, but the lolbertarians capture my hate more thoroughly.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Basically all the ideologies which place no value at all in expanding or promoting human freedom, and instead place an emphasis on order and hierarchical tradition...those are the ideologies I hate the most. Because they're so alien to my own way of thinking.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Life

[GiantMonkeyMan]

I don't really hate ideologies even if I oppose them. I hate individuals who follow those ideologies. I hate individuals who engage in discourse with bullshit reductionism, strawman arguments or just generally smugness. I hate posturing and the irritating, completely meaningless bullshit PR companies tell individuals to vomit up in order to appease that bizarre media unwritten law of acceptability. And sometimes, when I'm in a foul mood, I also hate those naive but well-meaning folks who try to make everyone just get along.

[The Intransigent Faction]

LOLbertarians. I have a cousin who's a Lolbertarian, though borderline "anarcho"-capitalist (a term I refuse to use even ironically as it's self-contradictory).

I knew a few fascists in high school, and more than one in university depending upon whether or not you count "Objectivists". Obviously I hate fascism, but in a way I kind of owe the fascists I've known. I used to be an inoffensive Liberal (borderline Social Democrat), but they accused me of being a Communist so many times that I started to research it more and decided "Yep!" :grin:. Ironically, fascists probably made me a communist.

[∞]

I hate liberals of the democrat party for endorsing things they would be vocally against if Bush did them.

But the thing about liberals is, many whom I have met have their heart in the right place. Alot of them are Keynesian, which in the context of maintaining a bourgeois economy actually works to a degree.

Its usually conservatives who are xenophobic and classist.


Fascists of course are the worse, but I don't encounter people who identify themselves as one.


Libertarians can be pretty annoying but at least they realize that both parties carry the same agenda.

[∞]

I don't really hate ideologies even if I oppose them. I hate individuals who follow those ideologies. I hate individuals who engage in discourse with bullshit reductionism, strawman arguments or just generally smugness. I hate posturing and the irritating, completely meaningless bullshit PR companies tell individuals to vomit up in order to appease that bizarre media unwritten law of acceptability. And sometimes, when I'm in a foul mood, I also hate those naive but well-meaning folks who try to make everyone just get along.

Alot of people here do this all the time. Not realizing that theres people with different beliefs with solid points.

[DOOM]

Naturally, as a leftist I oppose fascism. "Anarcho"-Capitalism is utter bullshit and AnCaps are some rather edgy fellows. Tankies and their asian counterpart tend to think it's still 1950, spouting out communist catchphrases all the time and are really obsessed with commie culture, so yeah fuck'em too.

[Dagoth Ur]

Liberalism and all of it's derivatives (Conservatism, Libertarianism, Fascism, "Progressive" Liberalism).

[Sinister Intents]

Add Trotskyism to my list.

[Dagoth Ur]

lol I forgot to include that as one of the derivatives of Liberalism.

[Naroc]

For me it's fascism, anarcho-capitalism and anything that includes any kind of religious extremism.

[Sea]

No trotskyist or soc-dem option?

I hate people who think they're class-conscious and aren't way more than I hate those who just simply aren't class-conscious.

oh well, looks like I have to select "all of the above"...

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I hate Ideology the most

there is no 'like' button but that's okay, I don't like this I absolutely love it!

:thumbup::wub:

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I hate hate haters. No, not really, I hate ideology.

[QueerVanguard]

I picked Liberalism but really what I'm aiming at is Utopian Socialism. Why? Because It's exactly that kind of non-scientific moralist cat shit that turns us away from Communist and towards Radical Bourgeois Democracy, little federated Proudhonian self-managed capitalist communes competing and all that jazz. It kills the Left. At least the Fascists and Nazis and Conservatives are up front about being reactionary pigs, these Utopian shits on the other hand do the most damage to the workers movement

[Geiseric]

Stalinism is not state capitalism. But i hate that and neo liberalism.

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

Honestly I am really shocked to see that people are voting for things other than fascism. What exactly is worse than fascism? I'll take libertarians over fascists any day of the week.

[Dagoth Ur]

Fascists are who the liberals call to keep their control over the MoP. So while they are the most vicious threat on any battlefield, they are only the dogs of Liberalism.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

anarcha-feminists

[BIXX]

anarcha-feminists


Can't tell if I'm an idiot or that's sarcasm... Or both...

Like I said earlier in thread, destroy all ideologies and ideologues.

[Alexios]

Honestly I am really shocked to see that people are voting for things other than fascism. What exactly is worse than fascism? I'll take libertarians over fascists any day of the week.

Well the whole premise of the poll is just goofy and un-materialist. Libertarianism, fascism, and the rest are all birds of a feather.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Can't tell if I'm an idiot or that's sarcasm... Or both...

Like I said earlier in thread, destroy all ideologies and ideologues.

I reckon you gonna be the last to know.

[exeexe]

I vote other - theology.
Because in theology you take monopoly on knowledge so you can just screw things up as much as you want because science is an enemy to those who have authority.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

Fascism/nazism...sorry, wish I could be more surprising and interesting, but I hate it the most (made the mistake of watching a Britain First election vid last night..feel so dirty)

[Bala Perdida]

I think fascism is a default in this thread, so there's that. Neo-liberalism is also up there, tied with fundamentalism.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

..though ultimately hate that there are ideologies to begin with and that humanity splintered and fragmented and exploited and marginalised and moralised it's way into dozens of warring camps, even fighting within the same camp site (shitty analogy, but can't think of a better one, work is tiring)

[SensibleLuxemburgist]

The followers of the ideology of Ruhollah Khomeini aka Khomeiniism (a populist, Third World political ideology rooted in the works of Sayyid Qutb) who claim they are "revolutionary" and "anti-imperialist" but are no more less reactionary than the also "anti-imperialist" Nazis. I hate them even more than Fascists because they are poisoning the anti-imperialist movement to include Islamic groups like Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, etc.

Yet, some fake "leftists" support his followers like...

Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, Daniel Ortega, etc.

[MarcusJuniusBrutus]

The Nazis were evil in small and trivial ways in which I would never have guessed one could be evil. That is of course in addition to the really gigantic evils they committed. When I was still a Christian, I believed that Hitler was the beast of Revelation. What is alarming is the way that fascism generally is being reintroduced in previously anti-fascist states by degree so that people will accept it. All the while, the people are being fed a steady diet of bullshit and scape goats.

[rylasasin]

Lolbertaridiots, AnCraps, Fascists, Conservatives, and Liberals. In that order.

[The Intransigent Faction]

The Nazis were evil in small and trivial ways in which I would never have guessed one could be evil. That is of course in addition to the really gigantic evils they committed. When I was still a Christian, I believed that Hitler was the beast of Revelation. What is alarming is the way that fascism generally is being reintroduced in previously anti-fascist states by degree so that people will accept it. All the while, the people are being fed a steady diet of bullshit and scape goats.

George Carlin once said "Germany lost the Second World War. Fascism won it." I'm inclined to think he was right.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

It doesn't really make much sense to hate an ideology any more than it does to hate, say, a lampost that flickers or a car that breaks. They're not sentient objects, so anybody who hates an ideology would really kinda worry me.

[Bala Perdida]

Yet, some fake "leftists" support his followers like...

Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, Daniel Ortega, etc.
Oh god. Not to long ago I used to champion these guys as revolutionaries. To be fair the Bolivarian Alliance did get me interested in socialism, but I couldn't be an Anarchist and uphold them. Now they just look as stupid as any other head of state.

[mindsword]

Illuminati Satanism

[∞]

Hoxhaism.

[The Intransigent Faction]

It doesn't really make much sense to hate an ideology any more than it does to hate, say, a lampost that flickers or a car that breaks. They're not sentient objects, so anybody who hates an ideology would really kinda worry me.

There's a rule that says only sentient objects can be hated? :ohmy: That's news to me!

[SensibleLuxemburgist]

Oh god. Not to long ago I used to champion these guys as revolutionaries. To be fair the Bolivarian Alliance did get me interested in socialism, but I couldn't be an Anarchist and uphold them. Now they just look as stupid as any other head of state.

I would understand why Evo Morales', Hugo Chavez's, and Daniel Ortega's rendition of socialism is bourgeoisie and collaborationist but I don't understand why Fidel Castro, the once famous champion of true socialism in the world bowed down to reactionaries like Khamenei in the "anti-imperialist" fight which ultimately revealed Castro as an anti-American bigot who took advantage of Communism to fight the US. Now that the Soviet Union is gone, Castro had to turn to other allies thereby betraying the socialist cause.

[Црвена]

Fascism is the only ideology that I can truthfully say that I HATE. I disagree with all of the others, but usually the propagators of the other ideologies mean well even if they're misguided. Fascists actually want to make a totalitarian state that murders everyone who is not of a certain type!

[RedWorker]

Picked all options. :D


Fascists actually want to make a totalitarian state that murders everyone who is not of a certain type!

Like Stalinism?

[The Intransigent Faction]

Like Stalinism?

Unlike Lenin and Trotsky, who dealt with non-Bolsheviks by sending them cards and a gift basket asking if they would please voluntarily reconsider their decision to oppose Bolshevism on grounds that it took the wrong path in bureaucratizing the organs of revolution?

[Remus Bleys]

Unlike Lenin and Trotsky, who dealt with non-Bolsheviks by sending them cards and a gift basket asking if they would please voluntarily reconsider their decision to oppose Bolshevism on grounds that it took the wrong path in bureaucratizing the organs of revolution?

There's already a thread going on for you to liberal out about red terror and the totalitarian proletarian dictatorship

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

I second 'Marxism'.

[The Intransigent Faction]

There's already a thread going on for you to liberal out about red terror and the totalitarian proletarian dictatorship

To "liberal out" would be to oppose self-defense against counterrevolutionaries, not atrocities against or censorship of communists with legitimate criticisms.

In any case, the point was more that using the term "Stalinism" to criticize repressive measures by the Bolsheviks seems to imply that Lenin just sat around twiddling his thumbs when he was criticized. I'd think self-professed authoritarians would be eager to point out that this wasn't the case.

[Remus Bleys]

"Lenin's violence" isn't too be condemned, as it was proletarian violence. Who were the other communists? Mensheviks? SRs? "Stalins violence" is the violence of the bourgeoisie. It is not hard to understand.

[Ele'ill]

this thread is why I hate ideology

[The Intransigent Faction]

"Who were the other communists?

A.G. Shlyapnikov, S.P. Medvedev, and later Alexandra Kollontai, Rosa Luxemburg, and others whose names may be more forgotten...come on, you know full well there were communist critics of the Soviet Union's bureaucratic path, easily found if you bother to look for yourself.

[Remus Bleys]

Alexandra Kollontai and Rosa Luxemburg were brutally suppressed and faced Red Terror? This is news to me.
Shlyapnikov and Medvedev faced red terror? Maybe under Stalinism. Or is brutal terror shushing up a faction?

[CubanDream]

Greetings comrades.

I just thought it would be interesting to see what right-wing ideologies were most hated by RevLeft members.


"Anarcho"-capitalism
Fascism (including nazism)
Conservatism
Liberalism
LOLbertarianism ("libertarianism")
State capitalism (including stalinism and maoism)
Other (please name)



I've always disliked Liberalism, as I believe it to be a most hypocritical and spineless ideology.

[∞]

Manute Bolism

[∞]

Based Leftism is the only ideology for me.

[BolshevikBabe]

"State capitalism (including stalinism and maoism)" lol

[Tim Cornelis]

"State capitalism (including stalinism and maoism)" lol

Almost as funny as how many Stalinist and Maoist countries there were:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Communist_countries_1979-1983.png

and how many there are now:


Cuba
North Korea


Of which one is liberalising its economy, and another highly dysfunctional, barely reproducing itself at all.

[Dagoth Ur]

this thread is why I hate ideology
this statement is why you are a liberal. Ideology is just a set of tools so you can understand what is actually being said in political discourse. If you're using it as a dogma you're doing it wrong.

[rylasasin]

I'm going to add Men's Right Activism/Manosphere turds to my own list too.

[CubanDream]

What is 'Manosphere' anyway?

[BolshevikBabe]

Almost as funny as how many Stalinist and Maoist countries there were:

and how many there are now:


Cuba
North Korea


Of which one is liberalising its economy, and another highly dysfunctional, barely reproducing itself at all.

It's almost as if left wing ideology in general has been in decline for the past 30 years :ohmy:

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I wonder what happened with China, Vietnam and Laos. But yeah, "state capitalism" is such a cliche on RevLeft, and is used in such a slapdash manner (saying that the ideology of Maoists is "state capitalism", for example), that you stop paying attention after a while.

[Zoroaster]

Although liberals and liberalism can be gross as fuck, United States conservatives are nasty.

[Tenka]

The ideology I hate most right now is Intellectual Propertarianism, because this is the bad guy of my day:
http://i60.tinypic.com/2qbeyis.jpg