Battle of Berlin

[sosolo]

I've always wondered why the Red Army made the Reichstag building its focus during the Battle of Berlin. The Reichstag was pretty much unused since after the fire in '33. Wouldn't the Reichs Chancellory have made more sense? That was the real centre of the Hitlerite government.

--sosolo


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[SovietCommie]

It was meant to be symbolic not strategic. They wanted to publicy humiliate the Germans, it was the Red Armys way of saying "You just got conquered b*tch".

[Geiseric]

A central Asian woman was actually the person to put the red flag up, not a white Russian man. They "re enacted" the famous photo of the hammer and sickle over Berlin.

[Hrafn]

It was meant to be symbolic not strategic. They wanted to publicy humiliate the Germans, it was the Red Armys way of saying "You just got conquered b*tch".

Sexist fucking language right there.

[sosolo]

It was meant to be symbolic not strategic. They wanted to publicy humiliate the Germans, it was the Red Armys way of saying "You just got conquered b*tch".

I just think the Reichstag wasn't that symbolic. It represented the last element of bourgeois democracy to be eliminated by the Nazis. It was a symbol of the Weimar Republic, if anything.


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[Raquin]

A central Asian woman was actually the person to put the red flag up, not a white Russian man. They "re enacted" the famous photo of the hammer and sickle over Berlin.
In those photograhs, the "white Russian man" is actually a dark-skinned Mingrelian(Mingrelians are an ethnic group in the Caucasus related to Georgians that lives in Western Georgia, although the Georgians will tell you that Mingrelians are just another flavor of Georgians) by the name of Meliton Kantariya.

[Prometeo liberado]

Sexist fucking language right there.
Political correctness is a bourgeois past time.

[Raquin]

I've always wondered why the Red Army made the Reichstag building its focus during the Battle of Berlin. The Reichstag was pretty much unused since after the fire in '33. Wouldn't the Reichs Chancellory have made more sense? That was the real centre of the Hitlerite government.

--sosolo


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The Red Army didn't make the Reichstag building its focus during the Battle of Berlin. Why would you think that?

The Battle of Berlin was a major offensive that lasted for 5 months. The primary objectives were to break the Wehrmacht forces concentrated around Berlin by Hitler for the purpose of prolonging the war, to capture the fascist capital Berlin and to meet up with the Allies east of the Elbe.

[Geiseric]

Why would Hitler even hope to continue the war at that point is what I was wondering.

[reb]

It was meant to be symbolic not strategic. They wanted to publicy humiliate the Germans, it was the Red Armys way of saying "You just got conquered b*tch".

How is this language appropriate, especially in the context of the massive rapes that occurred at the hands of the red army?

[reb]

Political correctness is a bourgeois past time.

So is rape justification a socialist past time? I guess with you it doesn't matter that the Germans were real people. To you and the rest of you stalinist scum, Germans weren't real people, just all fascists, who deserved to be raped and to take it like a "b*tch". Nice.

[DoCt SPARTAN]

Raising a flag over the Reichstag, by Yevgeny Khaldei is one of the most famous pictures from the WW2 and history! It symbolized the decapitation of Fascism. I dont think it matters what exact building they raised the flag on. It just has to be seen throughout Berlin. And to show the Allied forces (mostly Soviet Union in Berlin) sacrifice to kill Hitlers regime.

[Sabot Cat]

The Reich Chancellery was actually badly damaged during the Battle of Berlin in the exterior, so I don't think they could've used it for a propaganda photo shoot in the condition it was in like they did with the Reichstag.

[SovietCommie]

I just think the Reichstag wasn't that symbolic. It represented the last element of bourgeois democracy to be eliminated by the Nazis. It was a symbol of the Weimar Republic, if anything.


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>Hates capitalism
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[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

>Hates capitalism
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:laugh:

You think you're funny, but you just look like a silly life-stylist. Of course, one can't expect much from a greenpeace-loving hippie anarchist moaning about Monsanto and who is in the CPUSA of all things without seeing the absurdity of this fact.

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[Radio Spartacus]

>Hates capitalism
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:laugh:

"Don't buy things"-the communist manifesto:

right?

[SovietCommie]

>Hates capitalism
>Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
:laugh:
You think you're funny, but you just look like a silly life-stylist. Of course, one can't expect much from a greenpeace-loving hippie anarchist moaning about Monsanto and who is in the CPUSA of all things without seeing the absurdity of this fact.

>Sent from my Alien-Components Socialist Futuretech Computer

Sorry about saying the B-Word in my first comment. Also I'm not a CPUSA supporter, I'm about to change it. My plan was to infiltrate it and turn it into a real communist party. But now I'm leaning more towards the Green Party, they're socialist and against war-mongering.

http://www.gp.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein
Their leader is pretty based.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Sorry about saying the B-Word in my first comment. Also I'm not a CPUSA supporter, I'm about to change it. My plan was to infiltrate it and turn it into a real communist party. But now I'm leaning more towards the Green Party, they're socialist and against war-mongering.

http://www.gp.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein
Their leader is pretty based.

lol, you have to be joking. Green party now? Fucking... I don't know what the fuck to say about that idiocy. Anyway, this has now totally derailed the entire thread.

[Prometeo liberado]

So is rape justification a socialist past time? I guess with you it doesn't matter that the Germans were real people. To you and the rest of you stalinist scum, Germans weren't real people, just all fascists, who deserved to be raped and to take it like a "b*tch". Nice.

:rolleyes:Straight to the rape card huh? Not something that should be tossed about lightly considering I ain't the guy. Take the slippery slope back and try again you little scamp.

p.s. Sorry I needed to finish laughing, but the question is how in the h*ll does adding an aster*k to "b*tch" sanitize or fool us let alone absolve you of rape apology for using the "b*tch"" word? Sh*t!, hold on I'm pretty sure I have another round of uncontrollable laughter coming on again. Pretty sure.

[Marshal of the People]

Why would Hitler even hope to continue the war at that point is what I was wondering.

1. He was a fascist (they aren't too intelligent).
2. He was not emotionally or mentally stable.
3. He was crazy.
4. He was arrogant, stubborn and very stupid.

[Sabot Cat]

Why would Hitler even hope to continue the war at that point is what I was wondering.

I think it's because he and the Nazis had at least a modicum of belief in the stab-in-the-back conspiracy theory; that the "Great War" was only lost because Germany surrendered under pressure from the vast Jewish-Bolshevik-Freemason(!) cabal or what have you. I think Hitler just wanted to be the one who didn't surrender this time. Hence, Nazi Germany was subject to the historically rare event of a Debellatio.

[A Psychological Symphony]

How is this language appropriate, especially in the context of the massive rapes that occurred at the hands of the red army?

How in the fuck did you pull the rape card on that? I'm pretty positive he wasn't referring to the rapes by the hands of the red army, but using the -very common- term for "you have been defeated"

[SovietCommie]

Why would Hitler even hope to continue the war at that point is what I was wondering.

1. He was a fascist (they aren't too intelligent).
2. He was not emotionally or mentally stable.
3. He was crazy.
4. He was arrogant, stubborn and very stupid.


I think it's because he and the Nazis had at least a modicum of belief in the stab-in-the-back conspiracy theory; that the "Great War" was only lost because Germany surrendered under pressure from the vast Jewish-Bolshevik-Freemason(!) cabal or what have you. I think Hitler just wanted to be the one who didn't surrender this time.

Plenty of reasons for the outbreak of World War II, the Jews and Antisemitism were were a factor but that only has to do with the Holocaust, and little to do what was going on as far as the entire continent of Europe.

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The Treaty of Versailles

War Guilt Clause - Germany should accept the blame for starting World War One

Reparations - Germany had to pay �6,600 million for the damage caused by the war

Disarmament - Germany was only allowed to have a small army and six naval ships. No tanks, no airforce and no submarines were allowed. The Rhineland area was to be de-militarised.

Territorial Clauses - Land was taken away from Germany and given to other countries. Anschluss (union with Austria) was forbidden.

The German people were very unhappy about the treaty and thought that it was too harsh. Germany could not afford to pay the money and during the 1920s the people in Germany were very poor. There were not many jobs and the price of food and basic goods was high. People were dissatisfied with the government and voted to power a man who promised to rip up the Treaty of Versailles. His name was Adolf Hitler.

http://www.historyonthenet.com/WW2/causes.htm


Invasion of Poland

1. To give Germans lebensraum in Eastern Europe
He had promised this in Mein Kampf (1924) and it was one of the three CENTRAL AIMS of Hitler foreign policy.
The German Nazi Party claimed that Germany inevitably needed to territorially expand because it was facing an overpopulation crisis within its Treaty of Versailles-designed boundaries that Adolf Hitler described: "We are overpopulated and cannot feed ourselves from our own resources".

2. To defend the Germans in Poland
The reason Hitler gave was that the Poles were persecuting those Germans who lived in Poland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Bloody_Sunday_(1939).html

3. To overturn the Treaty of Versailles

4. To oppose Communism/conquer Russia
Poland wasn't communist, but Russia was where Hitler was eventually headed (Mein Kampf, 1924) and Poland was just another step east. When he demanded Danzig in 1939, Hitler's proposal included a joint anti-Soviet alliance against Russia. This was the third CENTRAL AIM of Hitler foreign policy.

5. To prevent an anti-German alliance

6. The Nazi-Soviet Pact
After April 1939, both Roosevelt and Stalin began to express concerns about Hitler's aims on Poland. Hitler merely mocked Roosevelt, but he was worried about Stalin. Only Stalin - and the Russian army - could have stopped Hitler taking over Poland at this point. But the failure of the Anglo-Soviet negotiations and the Nazi-Soviet Pact of 23 August 1939 not only freed up Hitler to attack Poland, it included a secret agreement to divide Poland up between them. In the end, Hitler invaded Poland because he had agreed to do so with Stalin.
http://www.johndclare.net/RoadtoWWII3_HitlerInvadesPoland.htm


http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005070

In many ways, the Third Reich wasn't very different from the Soviet Union (as far as goals for conquest goes). Even if the Germans managed to conquer Eastern Europe (in the same fashion the Soviets did), their grasp would have collapsed eventually. People don't like to be controlled by imperialist foreign powers.

Again, you may question some of the sources I have presented to you, I am skeptical about them myself. That' why I will never become a history teacher. History is full of lies and deception. The only way you can know if something happened is to see with your own eyes, and even at that, who will believe you? Also, seeing isn't believing.

[reb]

:rolleyes:Straight to the rape card huh? Not something that should be tossed about lightly considering I ain't the guy. Take the slippery slope back and try again you little scamp.

p.s. Sorry I needed to finish laughing, but the question is how in the h*ll does adding an aster*k to "b*tch" sanitize or fool us let alone absolve you of rape apology for using the "b*tch"" word? Sh*t!, hold on I'm pretty sure I have another round of uncontrollable laughter coming on again. Pretty sure.

The reason why I put an asterisk in it is because if you type it all out the word is censored completely. And way to go to completely miss the whole reason why you saying this makes you human slime. Have you ever articulated any political position that didn't degenerate into everything the soviets did was good and Germans bad?

[reb]

How in the fuck did you pull the rape card on that? I'm pretty positive he wasn't referring to the rapes by the hands of the red army, but using the -very common- term for "you have been defeated"

Read what I wrote. The original use of the word was inappropriate, especially in the context of what happened. If Bush or Obama had said it about the Russians then no one would take it sitting down. Then we have jbeard come in trying to defend it claiming "bourgeois political correctness". Jbeard is effectively dividing a political line between the use of words based on his own nationalist bias towards the Soviet Union with "bourgeois political correctness" on one side and good old fun time boys socialism on the other side.

[Sea]

1. He was a fascist (they aren't too intelligent).
2. He was not emotionally or mentally stable.
3. He was crazy.
4. He was arrogant, stubborn and very stupid.He also had a gun. Even in his bunker! I guess that means war!

I wonder what Fox News would have said about Hitler's suicide if they had been around then. "BREAKING - Hitler makes surprise switch to antifascism"? :laugh:

[Prometeo liberado]

The reason why I put an asterisk in it is because if you type it all out the word is censored completely. And way to go to completely miss the whole reason why you saying this makes you human slime. Have you ever articulated any political position that didn't degenerate into everything the soviets did was good and Germans bad?

You silly and incoherent when angry, like puppy dog.:lol:

[Sea]

You silly and incoherent when angry, like puppy dog.:lol:Reb is trolling. He was the first one to say anything remotely related to rape and, when you correctly point out that PC is a silly concept, he not only accuses you of justifying rape (which cheapens and makes a mockery out of the struggle against actual rape apologist) but also takes the opportunity to reach into his grab-bag and pull out other troll buzzwords like "stalinist scum" even though you said nothing about Stalin.

It is completely inappropriate to use the term "*****" in this or any such context, but that has nothing to do with "political correctness". It's called having a little fucking tact and not cheapening misogyny, the latter being something that Reb is just as guilty by throwing around a sensitive topic like rape for his own trollish amusement.

[Bostana]

Why would Hitler even hope to continue the war at that point is what I was wondering.

I know, you would think someone like Hitler would now when to give up ;)