Game of Thrones

[The Feral Underclass]

Why are there not constant and numerous episodes of GoTs on my television all day, every day? Who is responsible for this? I thought we lived in a civilised society.

I can't take it any more!

[Bostana]

Ha
I'm looking forward to the 4th season. :) I believe it starts April 6

[The Feral Underclass]

April the sixth!?!

[Ele'ill]

they did a shitty job with it, the costumes/dress looks like fake poop, the acting is completely terrible, the action sequences are so unbelievably boring that I'd rather just turn the tv off and reread the scene in the book. It is a huge failure imo

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

I love GoT.

It has everything I love. Action, adventure, intrigue, fucking, commentary on feudalism, commentary on imperialism, fucking, diverse cast of characters, plot twists, fucking, an epic and vast imaginary universe, supernatural undertones, fucking....

Did I mention the fucking? Because I enjoy the fucking.


......FUCKING!

[Jimmie Higgins]

they did a shitty job with it, the costumes/dress looks like fake poop, the acting is completely terrible, the action sequences are so unbelievably boring that I'd rather just turn the tv off and reread the scene in the book. It is a huge failure imogeez.:lol:

I'm a couple hundred pages short from finishing the books (to date). The books and show are both enjoyable to me in different ways for me. I think they've done a pretty good job with the show considering how complex all the relationships are and how difficult it is to juggle so many characters and plot lines.

And I like the fake poop costumes and props :(

[The Feral Underclass]

they did a shitty job with it, the costumes/dress looks like fake poop, the acting is completely terrible, the action sequences are so unbelievably boring that I'd rather just turn the tv off and reread the scene in the book. It is a huge failure imo

Your post is a huge failure :p

[Ele'ill]

the violence isn't as real as it is in the books either

*The books are great though I def. really like the books, except for the parts that drag on and on about the history of the realm and everything

[Full Metal Bolshevik]

the violence isn't as real as it is in the books either


Of course not, it's fiction!

ba dum tss.

Sorry, GoT is great and you are wrong.

[Sabot Cat]

I heard Game of Thrones was full of gratuitous rape and relentless misogyny, so I'm reluctant to try engaging with it. I read the first few pages of the first book, and eh... I wasn't really grabbed by it. Should I try again?

[Full Metal Bolshevik]

I heard Game of Thrones was full of gratuitous rape and relentless misogyny, so I'm reluctant to try engaging with it. I read the first few pages of the first book, and eh... I wasn't really grabbed by it. Should I try again?
wussy.

Yes, there's rape, so if that's enough to put you off then don't watch it. But the characters are mostly great, both male and female.
I watch the series, not the books, but I've heard the series have toned down even if it doesn't look like.

[Sabot Cat]

wussy.

:|


Yes, there's rape, so if that's enough to put you off then don't watch it.

Gratuitous rape and rape in a story are different things. Depiction of misogyny and misogynistic works are also distinct. I'm wondering which this series is.


But the characters are mostly great, both male and female.
I watch the series, not the books, but I've heard the series have toned down even if it doesn't look like.

Well, the television show might be better, but books take less of a time commitment because you can multi-task with them and set them down and take them to work/school/etc.

[Full Metal Bolshevik]

Multi-task? That's a myth. How the hell can you multi-task with a book?
But yes, they do take less time usually.

Story rape, minor spoiler though she ends up having Stockholm syndrome of some sort and falls for him, which is kinda weird, specially since she in the books is only 13 If i'm not mistaken

I can't say if it's depiction of misogyny or a misogynistic work. Not qualified to do that. It's controversial.

You can read this if you want cratesandribbons.com/2012/08/29/george-r-r-martin-and-the-misogyny-in-game-of-thrones
No spoilers.

edit:huh, a forum without spoiler tags.

[Sabot Cat]

Multi-task? That's a myth. How the hell can you multi-task with a book?

Off the top of my head, I can do laundry and read at the same time.


But yes, they do take less time usually.

Story rape, minor spoiler though she ends up having Stockholm syndrome of some sort and falls for him, which is kinda weird, specially since she in the books is only 13 If i'm not mistaken


I can see how that could be done badly, and how that could be executed well in the hands of a skilled author; I'm leaning towards the former because of the quality of the first few chapters of A Game of Thrones, but others evidently like his work so maybe he's just better at plot and character development than prose.


I can't say if it's depiction of misogyny or a misogynistic work. Not qualified to do that. It's controversial.

You can read this if you want cratesandribbons.com/2012/08/29/george-r-r-martin-and-the-misogyny-in-game-of-thrones
No spoilers.

Mm, I've read articles like those, but I don't know if they're fair assessments, and I didn't know whether fans had any counterpoints; I figured that they have to have some explanation or justification because I know a lot of the people who've spoken in this thread are obviously fierce opponents of sexism. I've also tried investigating the author, and he seems decent enough of a human being. I can appreciate dystopian world building, like the Republic of Gilead in the Handmaiden's Tale is rabidly patriarchal but that's kind of the whole point. But that was written by and from the in-story perspective of a woman. I guess I just won't know until I try to read it again.

[Tenka]

I watched the first two or three seasons of the series. It was fairly enjoyable to me but I may have just fallen for the glamour of a mediaeval-fantasy-soap-opera. I started reading the fifth book because I could not find the earlier ones for illegal-free-download (shhh) but it is pretty boring and I'm not sure if I'd need to have read the earlier books for it to be more enjoyable or what.

I like George RR Martin as an author. Judging from some interviews he seems to be pretty progressive for a fantasy author, and his voice is amusingly similar to Michael Moore's hehe.

For my part, I can't find any fault with his prose either. He uses from time to time some dated spellings and grammatical constructions but that is a good thing--style is very important for a fantasy writer, according to Ursula K. Le Guin whose opinion I consider authoritative on the matter even though I don't read her books.

[Tenka]

edit: double-post from internet behaving badly

[Jimmie Higgins]

I heard Game of Thrones was full of gratuitous rape and relentless misogyny, so I'm reluctant to try engaging with it. I read the first few pages of the first book, and eh... I wasn't really grabbed by it. Should I try again?if someone has suffered real life tramaus like rape or massive violence and are sensitive to depictions of sexual abuse or combat, then the books would likely be too much to take.

I don't think the books are mysogyistic at all, I think the world depicted is mysogyistic, more regimented in terms of sexual hierarchy, and where power primarily comes through brute force and repression (and custom or hegemony that might peacefully ensure caste order normally have been disrupted by war... Rights of nobility are thrown out, nuns are raped, peasants slaughtered by feuding noble armies, etc). Despite the world, the books constantly show women chaffing, fighting, ignoring, or figuring out how to accommodate the realities of that world. I think this is one of the strongest and most interesting aspects of the series. This is in the tv show too, but I think there is also an exploitation aspect in the show which is actually typical of hbo shows.

Homosexuality might actually be treated better in the show. In the books, homosexuality exists and people are aware of same sex partnerships and preferences, though none of the characters have primarily same sex relationships. Unichs are treated as the sexual "other" in that world whereas homosexuality seems to be treated similarly to straight people who have affairs... Not totally accepted, but known and considered more or less normal sexual activity.

There is a bit of orientalism in the books (and maybe worse in the show) and some of it is just views of characters, but it's also sort if in the way the world is built too. It doesn't bother me too much because the books are sort of a pastiche of real historical tropes and events and societies (the east is both the Middle East and French and Italian states) so I think that helps strip some of it of real historical baggage. But I think it might be a weakness in the books.