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[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Holy fuck I just crapped my pants!

[Decolonize The Left]

Holy fuck I just crapped my pants!

Unnecessary - I love you but you should probably have been warned for this. :thumbdown:

[Taters]

Unnecessary - I love you but you should probably have been warned for this. :thumbdown:

ANYTHING BUT THAT!

Man, only 50 cents?! A bargain, a steal!
I agree that reading articles on cheap paper is far superior to putting it on a website where it would accessible to all. It's a much better way to make yourself hard.

[Decolonize The Left]

ANYTHING BUT THAT!

Man, only 50 cents?! A bargain, a steal!
I agree that reading articles on cheap paper is far superior to putting it on a website where it would accessible to all. It's a much better way to make yourself hard.

Ridiculing a leftist paper? Hahahahaha. How productive and mature! And all for the cost of nothing - because anyone can ridicule anything on the internet! And to think that an organization actually take the time to make a paper and publish it. How unproductive and lame.

Well, back to my internet hard-on. In case you haven't noticed it's FUCKING HUGE. You know that because I just made fun of you.

[Taters]

Ridiculing a leftist paper? Hahahahaha. How productive and mature! And all for the cost of nothing - because anyone can ridicule anything on the internet! And to think that an organization actually take the time to make a paper and publish it. How unproductive and lame.
Cry me a river. The poor trotskyist rag, who will come to its aid?

Well, back to my internet hard-on. In case you haven't noticed it's FUCKING HUGE. You know that because I just made fun of you.

It was unfortunate typo that I've elected to keep. Meant 'heard'.

[Decolonize The Left]

Cry me a river. The poor trotskyist rag, who will come to its aid?

It was unfortunate typo that I've elected to keep. Meant 'heard'.

You're a leftist right? What good comes to the working class by spitting on a "poor trotskyist rag?" I'm no trot, but let them have their damn papers if it means building class consciousness.

[Sabot Cat]

I think writers should be remunerated for the work they put into their articles and papers like any worker. It may not be what comes to mind when one says the word 'labor' or 'worker' because it's not a physically involved task, but clerical jobs are still jobs, as they add value to products (publications and books) through an investment of effort. I'm not sure why this hapless fellow is being criticized so strongly for attempting to sell this publication, and last time I checked communism was not asceticism or life-stylism. The presented articles do not suggest to me anything counter-revolutionary either, even if it is from a tendency I don't support.

[Queen Mab]

Break with the Tripartite Alliance Popular Front
Build a Revolutionary Workers Party!

That cracked me up :laugh:

This is why no-one takes Marxists seriously

[Le Socialiste]

Holy fuck I just crapped my pants!

Manoir de mes reves is definitely right, this does warrant a verbal warning (for trolling, mostly). Please refrain from this kind of behavior in future threads.

[Le Socialiste]

ANYTHING BUT THAT!

Man, only 50 cents?! A bargain, a steal!
I agree that reading articles on cheap paper is far superior to putting it on a website where it would accessible to all. It's a much better way to make yourself hard.

Same applies to you, Taters. Verbal Warning for trolling.

[Criminalize Heterosexuality]

I agree that reading articles on cheap paper is far superior to putting it on a website where it would accessible to all. It's a much better way to make yourself hard.

Some people, particularly proletarian and oppressed people that Marxists should address themselves to, don't have an Internet connection. Also, it's a bit harder to edit print copies of articles than their online equivalent.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Thanks Le Socialiste for stepping in while I was not paying attention to this thread.

I think the internet/paper thing is actually pretty interesting.
I'm actually quite partial to the latter, for a couple reasons.
For one, it creates a space for real face-to-face interaction, to answer any questions people have (e.g. "What the hell do you mean by, 'Build a revolutionary workers' party?'"), etc. As for charging a bit for the paper, not only does it help cover costs, but, the fact of the mater is, someone is more likely to actually read something if they've coughed up a couple quarters for it. Grim situation, I confess, but true.

[Per Levy]

You're a leftist right? What good comes to the working class by spitting on a "poor trotskyist rag?"

some much needed fun maybe?


I'm no trot, but let them have their damn papers

nobody is taking away their papers.


if it means building class consciousness.

now lets be honest here for a moment, leftists papers wont "build class consciousness", there is only one group of people interested in leftists papers and that are mostly other leftists, and in case of this paper it only appeals to trots of that party mostly.

[Decolonize The Left]

some much needed fun maybe?

You get your "much needed fun" on revleft?


now lets be honest here for a moment, leftists papers wont "build class consciousness", there is only one group of people interested in leftists papers and that are mostly other leftists, and in case of this paper it only appeals to trots of that party mostly.

I don't think you know who reads their papers. Nor do I think it's productive to shit on comrades. Do you think this is productive? All I was saying is that this forum is for a wide range of leftists and if people want to post links to their papers then they should do so and we should have the maturity to respect their efforts in that regard.

I'm not going to read the paper, but I surely don't have the arrogance to make fun of someone who took time to write an article which may have impact for some members of the working class. You apparently do. So, tell me, what have you done of import recently? And are you going to put it forward so we all can shit on you if we think what you're doing isn't building class consciousness?

What I'm saying isn't that complicated nor that crazy. It's just respectful to not be a total douche to your comrades, even if they aren't of your tendency.

[Per Levy]

@manior: hold your horses there for a moment and stop being so agressive, in my post i didnt shit on the paper, not on the party that brought them out nor on the peeps who wrote the articles.
all i did was criticizing your notion that a party paper "builds class consciousness" for the very nature of party papers, especially of such a small group, is that it is for party members and party supporters, you dont get party papers in ordiary newspaper kiosks, you need a subsription or buy it from the internet.

also i still would've found vox's post funny even if this was about a paper from a party or tendency that i cared about. and yeah revleft can be funny, you're long enough in here to know that.

[Art Vandelay]

all i did was criticizing your notion that a party paper "builds class consciousness" for the very nature of party papers, especially of such a small group, is that it is for party members and party supporters, you dont get party papers in ordiary newspaper kiosks, you need a subsription or buy it from the internet.

This isn't necessarily true. Parties hock papers on the street all the time. When I was down in states recently I had a few conversations with individuals (one was from a neighborhood with a high poverty/unemployment rate and another was with a couple guys selling pot in front of a corner store, to use two examples), that were highly productive, political and led to me selling papers to them. I mean, I have no illusions about these interactions, but the fact that they were interested enough in anti-capitalist politics to buy a paper and talk to me for 10-15 minutes, was cool to see. I doubt they ever have any involvement with my organization (although who knows), but I also don't think its fair to say those interactions did nothing to help raise class consciousness in the area.


also i still would've found vox's post funny even if this was about a paper from a party or tendency that i cared about. and yeah revleft can be funny, you're long enough in here to know that.

Agreed. The post made me chuckle, but I suppose its fair she received a warning, although having said that, there are plenty of similar one liners that go unnoticed.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Manoir de mes reves is definitely right, this does warrant a verbal warning (for trolling, mostly). Please refrain from this kind of behavior in future threads.

I was only trying to properly convey my excitement and appreciation of such a phenomenonal periodical. :crying: das mean

I'm being verbally warned for being supportive? Whyyyyyy?

[Sea]

You're a leftist right? What good comes to the working class by spitting on a "poor trotskyist rag?" I'm no trot, but let them have their damn papers if it means building class consciousness.You put an "if" in there that you ought to pay more consideration to.

[Prometeo liberado]

Unnecessary - I love you but you should probably have been warned for this. :thumbdown:

Anytime the preface says "I love you but..." time to suss 'em off. Oooooh, warnings and trotzines! Is this Halloween or the court records of my divorce?