Mark Duggan killing lawful, says jury

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

'Lawfully killed'? What a hideous idea / phrase.

Mark Duggan, whose death sparked riots in England in 2011, was lawfully killed by police, an inquest jury has said by a majority of 8 to 2.
The 29-year-old was shot dead by armed officers in August 2011 in Tottenham, north London.
Rioting spread across London and other parts of England in what became some of the worst disturbances in decades.
Jurors at the Royal Courts of Justice also concluded Mr Duggan did not have a gun when he was shot by officers
They also said it was more likely than not that Mr Duggan had thrown a gun from a taxi just before he was killed.
The panel of seven women and three men said police had not done enough to gather and react to intelligence about the possibility of Mr Duggan collecting a gun from Kevin Hutchinson-Foster, who has since been found guilty of supplying the firearm.
But the jury said the taxi had been stopped in a location and in a way that "minimised to the greatest extent possible recourse to lethal force".
Following the verdict his mother Pamela Duggan was led out of the court in tears, while Mr Duggan's brother was seen screaming and shouting.
One man shouted: "A black life ain't worth nothing."

(More here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25657949 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25657949))

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

Here's a piece on why it was considered 'lawful'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25321711

[The Feral Underclass]

It's fucking bullshit. It's in way surprising though. Just another day in London.

[Queen Mab]

The whole case is fucking ridiculous. The police lied repeatedly during the inquest, first claiming Duggan fired on them, then claiming he had a gun on him, then they thought he had a gun on him and he had to be murdered just to make sure.

I live in Tottenham and to say the local community is upset is putting it mildly. Fuck the Met.

[brigadista]

My thoughts are with his family who were more than angry - judging from other campaigns they will be unable to uncover anything for at least 10 years - and that is a terrible sentence


No Justice No Peace

[BITW434]

'The law and police guidelines say that an officer can only shoot someone if absolutely necessary, and they honestly believe that person was an imminent threat' ...or if they're black, it would seem

So the inquest jury came to the conclusion that he was unarmed, but they still deemed it a lawful killing. What a load of sh1t.

[The Feral Underclass]

Riot police are on stand-by apparently.

The video in this article is good: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/08/mark-duggan-lawfully-killed-inquest

[bricolage]

if you are unarmed and black the state can kill you and the legal system will back them up. as always, as everywhere, the police have a free pass.

[Quail]

It is terrible that hearing about this, while obviously makes me feel upset and angry, in no way surprises me. Another police officer getting away with murdering a black man is just part of the horrible society that we live in.

[brigadista]

Still true...

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[Raidio_Luxemburg]

To the immortal names of Nelson Mandela, Che Guevara, Radio Luxemburg, and the great roll of Socialist martyrs that stretch to the horizon into the mists of time, like a great army, demonstrating that capitalist oppression is as old as the rocks themselves, must now be added in letters of fire the immortal name of Mark Duggan. Duggan was brutally mown down by a hail of bullets from the notorious Scotland Yard assassination squad known as the Special Branch. Duggan was doing no more than demonstrating his solidarity along with millions of others in the fight against Nazi tyranny, once again raising its ugly head as it did in the days of Hilter's notorious Weimar Republic. I say this. The millions who marched to pay tribute at Duggan's funeral are only the tip of the great iceberg which one day will rise and smash forever the forces of reaction - police brutality, multi-national conglomerates, the CBI, David Cameron and the Capitalist press barons.

[radiocaroline]

Case after case, year after year.

The Metropolitan Police is corrupt.

We see it in so many different aspects but we continue to have no reforms or permanent reshuffling of the method of policing in our country.

I study sociology and find that a lot of the curriculum on crime is based on the biases of police and the ways that they record and follow up on crime.
According the sociologist Waddington, who's research is relevant to UK policing, he outlines the existence of a "canteen culture" where new recruits are socialised to the norm of British policing: the targeting of working class, ethnic minorities in urban areas.

The Metropolitan Police claims to represent the City of London, a massive hub of suburban living and deprived living space. The City of London is also home to massive amounts of foreign immigrants which have come to London over the years and settled in the outer boroughs of the city. What we find however is that despite the focus on London's positive outlook of being a diverse cultural city, which makes it viable to capitalists from across the world for investment, we see the shockingly typical recruitment of white, working class, males in the Metropolitan police.

These people serve the interests of the institutionally racist commissioners and police chiefs who don't necessarily care about the methods of policing or the ways in which people are apprehended, but have a sheer focus on the stats which they formulate and become.

We have heard stories of how the Tory government has massaged police crime figures over the years in order to claim the successes of Boris Johnson's shaky tenure as London Mayor. BUT we still see the evidence that black ethnic groups are around 6 times more likely to be stopped and searched by the police in London and the rest of the UK than other ethnic groups, particularly white British groups who make up over 90% of the demography of the nation.

6 TIMES?! and people champion the way that ethnic equality in society has grown so much over the years! We need to relinquish the role of the media in creating these stereotypes which are enforced by the police in the labelling of the young black proletariat. And only when the police are ethnically and sexually representative of the City of London will their focus move from the targeting of ethnic groups and ultimately cover ups and corruption be ended.

Sadly, crime is an area which ethnic inequality is concentrated, mainly due to the false statistics, materialised from police bias, which claim that black groups are much more prone to criminality than their white compatriots. Numerous self report studies asking people if they have committed crimes, depict that black groups are if anything, less criminal than white groups, not more.

The bottom line being that Mark Duggan was UNLAWFULLY killed. And whether it takes ANOTHER inquiry or whether the press release the evidence in a few years. The story will be leaked eventually and the Met exposed for the racist institution that it is.

[Invader Zim]

While the verdict is, to my mind, a miscarriage of justice it was utterly predictable as I think anybody who followed the case could see. After all, the Met 'witnesses' were apparently given free-rein to cook-up their story between themselves without observation from independent observers, thus giving them ample time and opportunity to close ranks and iron out discrepancies. To my mind that is unacceptable, given that the investigation was of police officers who presumably, know how to interrogate suspects and therefore also how to make a water tight statement - provided they have opportunity to collude. The fact is that the police only had to confirm each other's stories to contend that they 'believed' Duggan to be a threat, and rely on the lack of other witnesses, save one, in order to win the benefit of the doubt.


However, the following comment is nothing more than foolishness:


"Duggan was doing no more than demonstrating his solidarity along with millions of others in the fight against Nazi tyranny, once again raising its ugly head as it did in the days of Hilter's notorious Weimar Republic."

[bricolage]

To the immortal names of Nelson Mandela, Che Guevara, Radio Luxemburg, and the great roll of Socialist martyrs that stretch to the horizon into the mists of time, like a great army, demonstrating that capitalist oppression is as old as the rocks themselves, must now be added in letters of fire the immortal name of Mark Duggan. Duggan was brutally mown down by a hail of bullets from the notorious Scotland Yard assassination squad known as the Special Branch. Duggan was doing no more than demonstrating his solidarity along with millions of others in the fight against Nazi tyranny, once again raising its ugly head as it did in the days of Hilter's notorious Weimar Republic. I say this. The millions who marched to pay tribute at Duggan's funeral are only the tip of the great iceberg which one day will rise and smash forever the forces of reaction - police brutality, multi-national conglomerates, the CBI, David Cameron and the Capitalist press barons.
you know I saw the exact same post on the holmesdale fanatics forum and its a pretty niche crossover between wanting to troll both there and here, so im pretty interested to know who this person actually is.