Dia duit, hello comrades

[laoch na phoblacht]

I'm an Irish republican and a socialist. I'm involved in party politics, leftists youth movements and language activism. I am currently a student, the left here is growing there are local elections next may which will show how much it has grown

[Q]

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What party are you involved in?

[laoch na phoblacht]

I'm in sinn féin

[tachosomoza]

Dia duit, fáilte roimh a revleft, deartháir.

[Comrade Jacob]

As a Brit, I happily say, please kick us out of your island.
Welcome comrade. No socialism without national-liberation and no national-liberation without socialism.

[machine457]

Greetings! I'm a Canadian communist who just returned from living in Ireland for the past few years, including Belfast. I was a member of Sinn Fein for a short period and a member of the communist party of canada many years ago.

Good to meet you!


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[standfirm]

Dia dhuit a chara.

I'm guessing it is psf you are a member of ?

I am currently reading into republican politics and the many different organisations within the republican movement. Seems to be another group every time you understand one.

I hope you are well.

Standfirm


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[laoch na phoblacht]

its just Sinn Féin now provisional was dropped from the name we Sinn Féin the workers party became the workers party.

ya there were a few splits along the way if you have any questions about the various organisations ask away

[Marshal of the People]

Greetings comrade. I am a quarter Irish and a quarter French.

[standfirm]

its just Sinn Féin now provisional was dropped from the name we Sinn Féin the workers party became the workers party.

ya there were a few splits along the way if you have any questions about the various organisations ask away

One of the things that does seem confusing is why do so many groups pop up with virtually the same goals. There are minor differences between them but alot seem to be on the same kind of track.

Also why do you think other party's like RSF retain the policy of abstentionism when taking part in the elections and taking seats seems to be have more support. For example Sinn Fein ?

[laoch na phoblacht]

RSF don't exist as a political force. They were the volunteers who believed in armed struggle alone. that said the CIRA was never an effective organisation. Them and other groups termed dissidents are anti Sínn Féin more then anything else and by all accounts are full of informers and Brit agents

as to why there were and still are so many groups I ask my self the same question.there is a lineage of splits but in my experience I have had no difficulty working with members of other groups like the workers party

[machine457]

The two main splits that continue to exist are between those parties that uphold the Good Friday Agreement and seek to achieve a united Ireland through constitutional and electoral politics and those that refuse to participate with the State so long as Ireland remains under British occupation. The latter group are the so-called dissidents of today and are comprised of such groups as the 32 county sovereignty movement, eriigi, Irish republican socialist party, republican network for unity, 1916 sovereignty movement and others.
This central disagreement regarding electoral politics under partition goes back to the establishment of the 26 county free state, now known as the Republic of Ireland. There were those under Michael Collins that accepted the agreement leaving 6 northern counties under the Brits and those that refused the treaty and fought primarily under the leadership of develera. The former were known as 'free staters' and the later the dissidents of their time.
Many refuse to particle on politics within a partitioned Ireland because they believe doing so is giving recognition to the British governments legitimacy in Ireland and the this idea is central to being an Irish republican.

[machine457]

Just wondering, are you north it south?

[laoch na phoblacht]

south, and from my experience the dissidents are little more than criminals who hate sinn féin more then anything else. I would happily work with them if they would work with shinners but they view us as traitors.

[machine457]

Well, I think that's a bit of a simplification.
Sinn Fein in the south is much more leftist than sf in the north, in action if not ideology and although I'd be a bit of a fence sitter on the subject, the dissidents do have many worthwhile points to make on regards to Sinn Fein.
I some times wonder if they aren't using the sticky stratagem of building up the bourgeois to build up the working class with a long term goal of socialist republic.. But on do many points, they appear to be a formerly revolutionary party gone bourgeoise all together.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Welcome to RevLeft! I'm an American who used to be in the IRSP.

[Dr Doom]

south, and from my experience the dissidents are little more than criminals who hate sinn féin more then anything else. I would happily work with them if they would work with shinners but they view us as traitors.

dude, sinn fein have no problem implementing austerity in northern ireland, they were instrumental in the closing down of schools and hospitals which has resulted in thousands of jobs in the process. not to mention their use of bully tactics to get striking teachers back to work a few years ago. they are proof of the bankruptcy of republicanism.

[machine457]

That's not proof of the bankruptcy of republicanism lol that evidence of Sinn feins often contradictory action vs. policy. Sinn Fein hardly stand as the be all and end all of Republicanism and many dissidents consider them to have sold out the principles of republicanism proper.
Nice try though. I'm sensing either a loyalist or anarchist undertone......

[machine457]

Welcome to RevLeft! I'm an American who used to be in the IRSP.


Great to meet you! I'd have a friend or two in the irps, Dublin and Belfast.