Is being a loner the same as being anti-social?

[JudasMaiden]

Is being a loner the same as being anti-social? I personally am a loner a lot, for some reasons:

I hate partying
I prefer to work on things rather than hang out with others
I prefer to go outside when only necessary
I hate shopping for unnecessary things

[Sinister Intents]

What is a loner or someone who is antisocial? I don't care for partying either, sounds similar to me in a way. I'm becoming more antisocial I guess, but that's because I'm poorly socialized, I'm partly autistic, and don't get social cues. You sound 'normal' to me.

[Tim Cornelis]

Anti-social behaviour formally means rude, violent, inconsiderate, and/or obnoxious behaviour in public or toward others. In that sense no. Colloquially, anti-social behaviour also refers to introvert people, which you seem to be.

[Sinister Intents]

Anti-social behaviour more formally means rude, inconsiderate, obnoxious behaviour in public or toward others. In that sense no. Colloquially, anti-social behaviour also refers to introvert people, which you seem to be.

That makes sense, I'm rather introverted

[sosolo]

I'm definitely not antisocial, but I'm pretty much a loner. I like parties (but not partying), I work with the public and enjoy it, and I am good at talking to people. But the older I get, the less I "hang out" with others, and I'm starting to hate talking on the phone, which I used to do constantly. I think many people pull back from socialising as they age.


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[The Feral Underclass]

Is being a loner the same as being anti-social. I personally am a loner a lot, for some reasons:

I hate partying
I prefer to work on things rather than hang out with others


"In solitude, be a multitude to thyself."

I am exactly the same. It might be a little anti-social, but who cares. If you're happy doing your own projects, it's no business of any one else's. I always like to refer to Charles Bukowski's somewhat maudlin quote when this issue comes up...



"I've never been lonely. I've been in a room -- I've felt suicidal. I've been depressed. I've felt awful -- awful beyond all -- but I never felt that one other person could enter that room and cure what was bothering me...or that any number of people could enter that room. In other words, loneliness is something I've never been bothered with because I've always had this terrible itch for solitude. It's being at a party, or at a stadium full of people cheering for something, that I might feel loneliness. I'll quote Ibsen, "The strongest men are the most alone." I've never thought, "Well, some beautiful blonde will come in here and give me a fuck-job, rub my balls, and I'll feel good." No, that won't help. You know the typical crowd, "Wow, it's Friday night, what are you going to do? Just sit there?" Well, yeah. Because there's nothing out there. It's stupidity. Stupid people mingling with stupid people. Let them stupidify themselves. I've never been bothered with the need to rush out into the night. I hid in bars, because I didn't want to hide in factories. That's all. Sorry for all the millions, but I've never been lonely. I like myself. I'm the best form of entertainment I have. Let's drink more wine!"

[Os Cangaceiros]

I like being alone, but too much of it is poison for my mind, honestly. I need other people.


I think many people pull back from socialising as they age.

I don't necessarily think so, I just think that the ways in which people socialize tend to change as they get older.

[JudasMaiden]

To be honest, I tend to be very nice and cooperative to others when I hang out, trying to also be truthful to others when I speak to them. I also tend to hide my identity from others, trying not to reveal it unless they know me enough.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I'm 'anti-social' and I'm a 'social butterfly' most of the time. Tim hit the nail on the head.

I think being 'anti-social' is not recognizing or having difficulty distinguishing the little idiosyncrasies and spoken/unspoken "rules," of how society and people work and their respective boundaries. The violation of this, is 'anti-social.'

[Sinister Intents]

To be honest, I tend to be very nice and cooperative to others when I hang out, trying to also be truthful to others when I speak to them. I also tend to hide my identity from others, trying not to reveal it unless they know me enough.

You sound like a good person and I do a similar thing :) when I'm out in public I don't use names at all, I try to avoid them for some reason, lest the person is family. Are you overly self conscious?

[the debater]

Is being a loner the same as being anti-social? I personally am a loner a lot, for some reasons:

I hate partying
I prefer to work on things rather than hang out with others
I prefer to go outside when only necessary
I hate shopping for unnecessary things


Count me as a fellow anti-social loner. Nothing wrong with it. Quiet people are smarter than really talkative people by far. Trust me on that one.

[roy]

Count me as a fellow anti-social loner. Nothing wrong with it. Quiet people are smarter than really talkative people by far. Trust me on that one.

I agree that there's nothing wrong with being quiet but as if it means you're more intelligent. Some people have a lot to say and others don't, whatever.

Personally I like being alone up to the point that my thoughts start getting too loud. I'm usually not talkative but I love parties and being with my friends, just not all the time. Balance is key

[the debater]

Actually, I should rescind my previous remark equating quietness with intelligence. Now that I've thought about it, I know plenty of smart people who aren't socially inept. However, I wonder if being quiet enables one to become more aware and more observant of what's going on around them? :confused:
I've always been a quiet person, and for some reason, I feel like I'm more "aware" than other people, though not necessarily more intelligent. By aware, I mean good at understanding my opponent's mindset in a debate, and perhaps even more than just that. Ah, I don't know. I might change my opinion on this post later.

[#FF0000]

However, I wonder if being quiet enables one to become more aware and more observant of what's going on around them? :confused:

Nope.

[Redistribute the Rep]

Maybe quiet people spend less time socializing and more time studying which would lead them to appear more intelligent.

[Rugged Collectivist]

I'm pretty sure antisocial is a synonym for sociopathy though it's commonly used to describe introverts.

I know how you feel. It's important for me to be around people every so often so that I don't get lost in my delusions but most of the time I find it stressful and I tend to avoid it. For the past few months I've been sharing a room and it's hell. The emphasis a lot of communists put on community oriented living is pretty offputting to me.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Tim Cornelis is right.

Relatable anecdote time: I'm bipolar; sometimes I'm very introverted and depressed and won't leave my room/apartment unless I absolutely fucking have to; then sometimes I can't get enough social interaction / alcohol and it feels like I'm jumping out of my own skin (like I'm high or something) to get out and be around and do something just fucking something but I never seem to find that psychologically satisfiable activity when I get like that. So it's like a wild goose chase. Chasing something. And then when I never find it, when the hangovers build and build and the money goes and goes, I find myself on the ground, in my room, clenching my fist, face in hands, never wanting to be seen by any one or any thing again. Then I'll slowly recuperate, stop drinking, save money, and then, eventually, that flame is sparked once more; I must try to find it again.


My life in a nutshell. Maybe I'm chasing my own life, my own happiness, or some other abstract bullshit. Whatever. I'm gonna go have a drink y'all.

[AmilcarCabral]

Hi Judas, from my own point of view, being a loner or being an anti-social is part of the american capitalist philosophy of life and social order.

And I think that the only way to destroy the ultra-individualist and social-phobic mental disorders, and the narcissistic philosophy of life that we have in America is with socialism. I think that even depression and obesity can only be cured with socialism. People have to think big, there are many things that are wrong in USA like obesity, depression, sadness etc. that cannot be cured with doctors, but with a destruction of the capitalist government and its replacement with a socialist government.

I think that the way the USA is built with its anti-social urban planning, its anti-social laws, the narcissist system of transportation is really an impediment to see a USA with all americans being more loving and sympathetic toward each other. I am not too much into conspiracies, but I think that there is really an obective by the ruling class of inspiring, motivating and stimulating americans into being mysanthropist narcissistic evasive social phobic people, that way it will harder for americans to unite and overthrow capitalism

The USA was founded with a ver narcissistic philosophy of life that came back all the way from 1776. That world view was linked with Calvinism and how even many americans instead of joining political parties to get out of poverty get on ultra-individualist solutions like garage sales. Even the way the cities of USA are built, the urban planning of US cities how cities in USA do not encourage any collective activities but instead encourage narcissistic family-narcissist activities like the drive-thru restaurants, self-service gas stations. And even the individualist system of transportation (the car) is itself a motivator a stimulator of anti-social behaviour patterns. And another thing is that I think that most people in USA are narcissists, ultra-individualists and even psychopaths, because of a sociology theory called "emotional contagion" which means that people tend to adopt the facial expressions and behaviour patterns of the society in which they live. And that's why I think that most people in USA are social-phobics, and mysanthropists, because people tend to follow the behaviour patterns of the crowds. So if the great majority of americans are mysanthropists, anti-sympathetic toward others, unfriendly, unloving and introverted. It is real hard and almost impossible to be outgoing, extroverted, friendly cooperative, caring, and loving toward others in the american society. That's why being a leftist is so hard in a society where the majority of people live a capitalist philosophy of life.

Here is the definition of emotional contagion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_contagion

Emotional contagion is the tendency for two individuals to emotionally converge. One view developed by Elaine Hatfield et al. is that this can be done through automatic mimicry and synchronization of one’s expressions, vocalizations, postures and movements with those of another person. When people unconsciously mimic their companions’ expressions of emotion, they come to feel reflections of their partner’s emotions.

Emotions can be shared across individuals in many different ways both implicitly or explicitly. For instance, conscious reasoning, analysis and imagination have all been found to contribute to the phenomenon. Emotional contagion is important to personal relationships because it fosters emotional synchrony between individuals. A broader definition of the phenomenon was suggested by Schoenewolf: "a process in which a person or group influences the emotions or behavior of another person or group through the conscious or unconscious induction of emotion states and behavioral attitudes".

The phrase “emotional contagion” embodies the idea that humans will synchronize their personal emotions with the emotions expressed by those around them, whether consciously or unconsciously, and thus that an emotion conveyed by one person will become “contagious” to others.

Psychologist Elaine Hatfield theorizes emotional contagion as a two-step process: Step 1: We imitate people; if someone smiles at you, you smile back. Step 2: Changes in mood through faking it. If you smile you feel happy, if you frown you feel bad. Mimicry seems to be one foundation of emotional movement between people.

Emotional contagion and empathy have an interesting relationship, in that they share similar characteristics, with the exception of the ability to differentiate between personal and pre-personal experiences, a process known as individuation. In The Art of Loving, social psychologist Erich Fromm explores these differences, suggesting that autonomy is necessary for empathy, which is not found in emotional contagion.

Factors influencing emotional contagion. There are several factors that determine the rate and extent of emotional convergence in a group. Some of these are: membership stability, mood-regulation norms, task interdependence and social interdependence. Besides these event-structure properties, there are personal properties of the group's members, such as openness to receive and transmit feelings, demographic characteristics and dispositional affect that influence the intensity of emotional contagion.



Is being a loner the same as being anti-social? I personally am a loner a lot, for some reasons:

I hate partying
I prefer to work on things rather than hang out with others
I prefer to go outside when only necessary
I hate shopping for unnecessary things

[o well this is ok I guess]

Maybe quiet people spend less time socializing and more time studying which would lead them to appear more intelligent. nah man i spent my solitary hours watching shitty animes it's entirely possible for the solitary person to squander his time just as much as the "outgoing" person
it's really a trading of one shitty habit for another, study need not occur and can occur in either case

[Ritzy Cat]

I don't particularly like or enjoy being alone, I only like to spend time with people who truly share my interests and I am able to have a conversation with. I hate meeting new people, I hate sitting in large groups, I hate parties, I hate watching people doing all of the above. I like peace and quiet and solitude, and spending times doing things I myself enjoy... not making compromises in larger groups to try to accommodate everyone's wants and desires.

[AmilcarCabral]

You know there are many psychological problems in America, and one of these main problems i see is the rejection of white european blond americans to have any social contact with non-whites.

I am not racist against white european americans, I love all races and all nationalities. But I've noticed that black americans, hispanics, asians and other non-white people are lot friendlier and a lot more sympathetic toward others, than white european people. And if they have blond hair and blue eyes, they are even more social phobics, and lot more introverted.

I think that most white european americans, specially the white european americans with blond hair, are reluctant to have any relationships, any contact with non-white people in USA. Because after almost 300 years of USA being founded the white european race is still too pure and the black american race is still too pure. If USA was really a melting pot of nice friendly loving non-racist loving people, the great majority of white americans all the way from early 1800s would've been married with black americans, and with hispanic americans in the 1900s, and the whole population of USA would be a mixed population. Like the people of Venezuela, Colombia and Cuba.

But USA is still a facist feudalist nation of lots of european whites who are social phobics, mysanthropists and who are scared of having any relationships with non-whites.


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I don't particularly like or enjoy being alone, I only like to spend time with people who truly share my interests and I am able to have a conversation with. I hate meeting new people, I hate sitting in large groups, I hate parties, I hate watching people doing all of the above. I like peace and quiet and solitude, and spending times doing things I myself enjoy... not making compromises in larger groups to try to accommodate everyone's wants and desires.

[The Fonz]

I think you are are on to something there, i have also came to similar conclusions though my own experience. My hometown is a very impoverished area in the US and one of the most dangerous mid sized towns in regards to your chances of being a victim of a crime and its always been this way since the railroads first came though( it used to be referred to as "little Chicago"). The specific area of the town I'm from is one of the poorest in the US. But i have found that Black people and people who have came from Mexico and 1st generation US citizens are much more approachable and friendly, and therefore these most of my friends have been either black or Mexican(even though i am white). Their are plenty of white people in my area who for a lack of a better word would be considered "redneck" types. These "redneck" types generally view me with suspicion because as i previously stated most of my friends are not white and its reflected in the way i carry myself etc.. Their are also a small amount of white people who live in a very small area which is the rich part of my town composed of doctors, lawyers and small capitalist. Most people from this are are very cliquish and have friends that are from this area and are more or less scared to spend much time in the rest of the town(which is overwhelmingly poor). When i am around people 4m this rich part of town they are so much different then me that we can hardly hold a conversation. I think its partly just my own experience, but i think it also forms a social barrier which needs to be destroyed because it has a strong relation with the reproduction of class differences. In a some what related note i have been thinking that anti-immigrant behavior in the US is somewhat related to the horrible treatment of the indigenous people in the US dating back to colonial times, i think that since most immigrants are mestizo this is the reason for their hatred of immigrants. For example look at the influential white cubans in Miami having lots of influence and participation in the US government, you cant find anything similar in the Mexican-American community and i believe a big reason for this is because many of the cuban immigrants are of spanish ancestry while the Mexican community is mainly mestizo. Look at the number of people of people with cuban roots who have served in high positions in the national government compared with how many mestizos who are of Mexican ancestry.

[AmilcarCabral]

The Fonz: hi, there are many cities like that in America. You know many leftists in USA blame the poor population of USA for their voting behaviour, and for their lack of support of leftist movements. But the problem is that politics is like any good and services. Mcdonalds sells a lot of hamburgers and other foods, because they invest a lot in visibility, Mcdonalds owners want to be known to the masses, Mcdonalds, with its big M is very visible all over USA.

That doesn't happen with any leftist party in America, not even with social-democrat centrist parties like The Green Party. So the most leftist party that has visibility and propaganda in America is The Democratic Party. And I think that's why the poor people of USA still vote for that party.

I think that the left of America will have to make a plan on how can the left get resources, in order to invest in propaganda, in marketing, in spreading the socialist option to poor americans. Because that's why the poor people of USA are getting poorer because they are not supporting any leftist party, because they don't see with their own eyes any propaganda of any leftist party and any leftist movement. And I think that's why they keep supporting The Democrats as their only hope


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I think you are are on to something there, i have also came to similar conclusions though my own experience. My hometown is a very impoverished area in the US and one of the most dangerous mid sized towns in regards to your chances of being a victim of a crime and its always been this way since the railroads first came though( it used to be referred to as "little Chicago"). The specific area of the town I'm from is one of the poorest in the US. But i have found that Black people and people who have came from Mexico and 1st generation US citizens are much more approachable and friendly, and therefore these most of my friends have been either black or Mexican(even though i am white). Their are plenty of white people in my area who for a lack of a better word would be considered "redneck" types. These "redneck" types generally view me with suspicion because as i previously stated most of my friends are not white and its reflected in the way i carry myself etc.. Their are also a small amount of white people who live in a very small area which is the rich part of my town composed of doctors, lawyers and small capitalist. Most people from this are are very cliquish and have friends that are from this area and are more or less scared to spend much time in the rest of the town(which is overwhelmingly poor). When i am around people 4m this rich part of town they are so much different then me that we can hardly hold a conversation. I think its partly just my own experience, but i think it also forms a social barrier which needs to be destroyed because it has a strong relation with the reproduction of class differences. In a some what related note i have been thinking that anti-immigrant behavior in the US is somewhat related to the horrible treatment of the indigenous people in the US dating back to colonial times, i think that since most immigrants are mestizo this is the reason for their hatred of immigrants. For example look at the influential white cubans in Miami having lots of influence and participation in the US government, you cant find anything similar in the Mexican-American community and i believe a big reason for this is because many of the cuban immigrants are of spanish ancestry while the Mexican community is mainly mestizo. Look at the number of people of people with cuban roots who have served in high positions in the national government compared with how many mestizos who are of Mexican ancestry.

[Comrade #138672]

No, I do not think so. Perhaps you are "non-social", but definitely not "anti-social".

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

'I'm not anti-social, I'm just not social' to quote Woody Allen

I agree with others who've distinugished between being comfortable and happy in your own company versus being explicity anti-everyone else.

...to be honest, I see no problem with being explicity anti-social (excluding extreme examples like murder, assault etc).

[AmilcarCabral]

It's pretty easy to become a loner in USA. If you are an extroverted person, and outgoing communicative person, you better move out of the USA, or move to one of those cities with lots of outgoing people like Miami, FL or to California. Because the other cities of America, the smaller rural cities and towns are full of introverted, shy, social phobic people. Maybe because the social planning and urban planning of most smaller towns and rural areas in America encourages ultra-individualism.

One doesn't have to be a fan and student of sociology, of Erich Fromm, Baudrillard, Deleuze, Guatari, Marcuse etc. and other sociologists and psychologists to see with their own eyes how many cities in USA with their "self service" gas stations, the drive thru restaurants, and the individualist type of transportation (the cars) stimulate a narcissistic way of life.

So I really think that only socialism can cure narcissism, other mental disorders and even obesity and other physical and mental problems in America. It is almost impossible right now to change the family-narcissism and the individualist-narcissism and mysanthropy in the great majority of americans as long as Democratic Party and The Republican Party are ruling USA


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[the debater]

Nope.

Why do you disagree, out of curiosity?

[Os Cangaceiros]

AmilcarCabral, you really are spinning a fine web o' bullshit my friend. Small towns and mid-sized cities have some of the warmest, most friendly people you'll ever meet, who'll give you the proverbial clothes off their back if you need it. Just like you'll find in larger cities. You also mention California, a state that was practically built upon the use of the "ultra-individualistic" automobile (as were many western cities). Contrast the sprawl of LA to the density of NYC and it's pretty easy to see.

And I honestly don't think that introversion is any more or less of a "problem" in NYC than it is in, say, a mid-sized Midwestern city. You can constantly be surrounded by swarms of people and still feel completely alone, as I can attest.

[Crabbensmasher]

I think I'm probably a social person. I like the challenge of meeting new people and making good impressions. Like, whenever a conversation goes well, I go away feeling a bit more fulfilled. On the other hand, I have a habit of ending conversations early. I'll think, holy crap I haven't screwed this up so far, maybe I should leave before I do. Especially if it's somebody important (A professor, a possible employer, a love interest)

So yeah, I like being social, I'm just not great at it.

And for most of my life, I've hung out with people who I'd consider as quiet, reserved, or introverted. A lot of times, their behavior would rub off on me, and I guess I kind of developed the 'introverted lifestyle'. I've learned though, I'm a lot happier being somewhat extroverted.

So yeah, keep that in mind. People can be kind of restrained by their environments. I've known lots of people the other way around, where they're stuck in the party crowd when they'd rather be at home by themselves. They just don't know it until later.

[AmilcarCabral]

The Fonz: Wow you are a psychiatrist, sociologist, anthropologist and psychoanalist, in your very correct analysis of the behaviour patterns of the masses of America. You know that behaviour pattern of how poor whites, also labeled rednecks (like you said), and also labeled "white trash", I think are politically compatible with the same type of whites that supported The Nazis and Adolf Hitler in Germany in the 1930s.

On another note, I would like to say that there is a lot of difference among the social classes of USA, not only in the car they drive, in their incomes, in the houses they own, but in their behaviour pattern. I've noticed that the professional middle class workers (Doctors, lawyers, small business owners and other white collar workers) hare more social skills and are more outgoing and more communicative than the low-wage workers and poor americans.

Because some times my family and I shop at a supermarket around where I live where the majority of shoppers are poor people and drive older cars, and they are all super angry, they evade eye contact, and seem to mee very social-phobics and very mysanthropist.

And then when we shop at a supermarket of the middle class like Publix or a store of the middle class like Sears the behaviour of people is 100% different, they behave like if they are from Cuba and Venezuela (real friendly) There is a lot of un-equality in USA not only economically (but also in the behaviour patterns of people).

I think USA is a very weird nation, because in USA you can find more leftists in the middle classes and people, and you can find lots of stuck-up self-absorbed people in the lower classes. In other nations, specially in poor third world countries, the middle classes and upper classes are stuck-up, self-absorbed and mysanthropists. While the lower classes are more communicative and more loving.

But in USA you see these poor people who are in very terrible conditions, living a life of obesity, cancer, very bad health conditions, and are total mess physically, mentally and emotionally and despite of their miserable living conditions, despite of they living a hostile life, eating from food-banks, food-stamps and doing nothing all day but smoking and zero opportunities (zero college, zero traveling etc.) they somehow escape in their own world of pain and misery. And they do not want anybody to rescue them out of their pain and misery.

I think that their pride is so powerful, that it obscures, and destroys any possibility for hope to get out of their miserable situation and of the miserable situation of their own children, loved ones and friends. That they would rather stay in that inferno, in that world of pain and see their children living in that world of pain without any bright future. Instead of being open minded to actively join and support any grass roots movement in America, like The Occupy Protests, Immigration protests, etc.

An excess of pride in the poor masses of USA is what is destroying USA, when people are too proud, they think that they have unlimited powers (like superman of the movies), and they don't need anybody to rescue them out of poverty and pain. I think maybe that's why many poor american families get into garage sales, e-bay and buying and selling junk stuff as a way to get out of poverty. Because there is not a shred of humility in their DNA. (And according to Eric Fromm, the sociologist, people are habit-creatures).

What a tragedy poverty in America is, because the great majority of poor americans (by voting for the Democratic Party and the republican party in every presidential elections) are not only killing themselves, killing their children. They are also killing the small minority of US citizens (about 10% who are leftists and hate democrats and republicans) and even if we are a minority, we are desperate for a workers socialist state as a solution for the pain and poverty of all poor americans and our own selves.



In a some what related note i have been thinking that anti-immigrant behavior in the US is somewhat related to the horrible treatment of the indigenous people in the US dating back to colonial times

[Philosophos]

A loner is someone that prefers to stay by himself most of the times and not around a lot of people. You might wanna go and hang out with other people from time to time but not a lot

Being anti-social-loner means that you will do the exact things I described earlier, but you will be a complete asshole to the people you meet.

If you see for example a neighbor of yours and he smiles at you while he says good morning and you answer: "Go fuck yourself" , "Bite me" or something like this then you are anti-social.

[AmilcarCabral]

Os: utopian thinking and an excess of optimism is one the main problems in the left. Many leftists in this whole world think that all poor and oppressed people will join leftist organizations in the near future. And many leftists think that the poorer and hungrier people are, the more communists they are. If this was the case millions of Mexicans would be joining leftist organizations of Mexico, the great majority of people of Haiti, Panama, Nigeria, Philipines and the great majority of people in rich countries with economic problems (like Spain, USA, UK) would be already leftists activists.

But that is not reality, I am trying here to be as close to reality as possible, and what we have seen in USA even after the economic crash of 2007 and 2008 (people still voting for capitalist parties Democrats). And in Europe a continent facing economic problems, the rise of ultra-capitalists, ultra-right wing parties. And in Africa no big leftist organization yet.

And when I wrote that many poor americans are stuck-up, egocentric and unfriendly, I am not blaming them for that. (I think that the egocentric narcissist mysanthropist philosophy of life of USA is a behaviour script that comes from the upper ruling classes and social planners.

So I am still blaming the capitalist system and the capitalist ruling class of USA for the egocentric behaviour of the oppressed. That egocentrical unfriendly behaviour pattern ordained by the ruling class of USA might have the goal of dividing and conquering. (Dividing the oppressed of America into group-narcissists, race-narcissism, and individualist-narcissists sub-cultures, sub-groups in order to prevent any ability among the general oppressed masses of America to put away all their petty behaviour differences in order to join into a powerful united-front in order to overthrow from power The Democratic Party and The Republican Party)

We also have to remember that in the capitalist system most people are slaves, not only economically slave, but also slaves in the way they are supposed to behave by the official behaviour patttern of America (which is an ultra-individualist Ayn Rand behaviour script) coming and dating back all the way from 1776. And spread out to the whole USA thru movies, education system, churches and the theory of "emotional contagion" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_contagion

I am pro-poor people totally, when I see any egocentrism, stuck-up behaviour, self-absortion, and mysanthropy in the poor people of USA, I still understand it and I am aware that there are many factors causing that extreme anti-social behaviour in the oppressed. The ruling capitalist class in one factor determining and cuasing deep egocentrism in the general masses. And I also think that the extreme pain, deep poverty and lack of pleasures in the oppressed might be another factor causing the social-phobia, and inability of many poor americans to be outgoing and friendly

I am not blaming people, I am not blaming poor people for their stuck-up, egocentric, i am just trying to be as close as reality as I can and just explaining here the way the great majority of average poor people in USA behave, at least that's how the oppressed of around where I live behave. Maybe there are many towns in America where poor americans are outgoing and friendly, but not the poor people that i have had contact with.

And I think that socialism will not only cure economic problems of the majority of people, but it might even be a cure for the many personality disorders of the general american population. Socialism and communism will be the best anti-depressants

PD 1: By the way the self-absortion, introverted, ultra-individualism behaviour in many workers and the oppressed of USA is a big impedident for radical leftists activists, to strike a conversation with poor people about how socialism is their only cure for stress, pain and poverty of them selves and their own families. And because of the extreme self-absortion, and ultra-individualist behaviour in the oppresses masses, it's a bit risky for radical revolutionary leftists in America to just walk to a Wal Mart worker, to a shopper at any Wal Mart, to any average joe eating at a Mcdonalds, to any un-employed american to tell them in straight words that supporting a radical leftist party is their only solution for poverty. I think that the radical left of America will have to study a psychologic plan on how to break the ice, with poor americans so that leftists can educate poor americans about how socialism is the only solution for poverty.

PD 2: Some months ago (about 1 year ago) i saw a young 22 year white guy guy with a Che Guevara t-shirt at a Wal Mart and I was friendly with him, and I told him that I was a fan of Che Guevara, and that only socialism is the only solution for the poor people of USA. And I remember that he seemed to me too scared, he maybe thought I was a US government FBI or CIA covert op dressed in civilian clothes, or something like that.

PD 3: Another thing I wanna add to this debate about anti-social behaviour. Is that for many reasons, many americans have decided to only have social contact with members of their own social worlds (Families, co-workers, church friends etc) and are totally reluctant to know new people, to establish conversations and any relationships with new unknown people. Maybe because the personal lives of americans is full of bills, and taxes and stress, and/or maybe because the USA is like the feudalism times when nations where divided into big fortified castles and were divided into groups and clans. And people didn't establish and social contact with people outside of their feudalist place.

PD 4: So it will not be a piece of cake, a walk in the park for radical leftists to break the ice with the generam american joes and janes in order to show them that socialism and the next political stage (anarchist-communism) will be the only solution for all the problems of USA and all countries of this world. It will not be an easy task, and expect insults, offenses and even physical fights in trying to break the ice with the self-absorbed US citizens


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AmilcarCabral, you really are spinning a fine web o' bullshit my friend. Small towns and mid-sized cities have some of the warmest, most friendly people you'll ever meet, who'll give you the proverbial clothes off their back if you need it. Just like you'll find in larger cities. You also mention California, a state that was practically built upon the use of the "ultra-individualistic" automobile (as were many western cities). Contrast the sprawl of LA to the density of NYC and it's pretty easy to see.

And I honestly don't think that introversion is any more or less of a "problem" in NYC than it is in, say, a mid-sized Midwestern city. You can constantly be surrounded by swarms of people and still feel completely alone, as I can attest.

[Greek Warrior]

The word "antisocial" has a negative meaning. It means someone who has violent, rude and aggressive behavior towards other people.
On the other hand, a loner is someone who just prefers being alone and politely avoids other people.
Being a loner is not bad at all. It is just a matter of personal choice.
Loners need some time on their own. They usually have friends, but don't want to be with them all the time, as other people do.

[RedStar98]

I myself have Asperger's Syndrome, which has always made me feel quite shy and uncomfortable other people a lot of the time, and I don't fit in at all. When I was growing up I never had any close friends, and I really started to notice how isolated I was aged around 12. I just don't have anything in common with people I suppose- I don't like partying or shopping, I much prefer reading than hanging around with people, I don't even have a mobile phone. I'm not keen on crowded places, and I like time to myself. I suppose I'm just a very introverted person. I don't 'hate' other people, I'm just not that good at social situations.

[AmilcarCabral]

Hi, you know all humans, the 7 billion people of this planet should be able to treat each other as brothers and sisters in the future. And all humans of USA (the 315 million people) should look and treat each other as sisters and brothers. But we all know this is not reality, USA and many other nations are divided into clans, groups, sub-groups, families etc.

I wrote this thought earlier of why it is so hard, why it so damn hard to strike a conversation, to break the ice, to establish a close relationship with strangers, with unknown people in USA:

For many reasons, many americans have decided to only have social contact with members of their own social worlds (Families, co-workers, church friends etc) and are totally reluctant to know new people, to establish conversations and any relationships with new unknown people. Maybe because the personal lives of americans is full of bills, and taxes and stress, and/or maybe because the USA is like the feudalism times when nations where divided into big fortified castles and were divided into groups and clans. And people didn't establish and social contact with people outside of their feudalist place.

Yeah, America is like medieval europe, like a monarchy based on bloodlines, dynasties and feudalist castles, feudalist towns, where people couldnt and didn't have any relationship at all with people outside of their group. And I think that this medieval feudalist mentality and mind-set of most americans is really a great impediment, a powerful impediment for communists, for radical leftists to walk into unknown strangers in USA and talk about how socialism is the only solution for their poverty and pain.

Maybe a super big crisis around 2016 will destroy that social phobic mysanthropist group-narcissist and family-narcissist philosophy of life and will make americans open their hearts and souls to radical leftists activists.

Because right now americans are too stuck-up, too self-absorbed into their stupid family lives, their small world and they do not want to get out of that world. Their narcissism and egocentrism is more powerful than their own selves, which is what is destroying any ability for leftists to win new hearts and new souls for the cause of communism in America

PD: I think Russian oppressed masses around 1900s were a lot more humble than american oppressed masses of 2014



I myself have Asperger's Syndrome, which has always made me feel quite shy and uncomfortable other people a lot of the time, and I don't fit in at all. When I was growing up I never had any close friends, and I really started to notice how isolated I was aged around 12. I just don't have anything in common with people I suppose- I don't like partying or shopping, I much prefer reading than hanging around with people, I don't even have a mobile phone. I'm not keen on crowded places, and I like time to myself. I suppose I'm just a very introverted person. I don't 'hate' other people, I'm just not that good at social situations.

[Usawa]

No, loners are asocial. Anti-social people are antagonistic or violent and lack consideration for others.

[ComradeRoberto]

I would say that the two are not the same if one's environment is the leading cause of their social alienation. I would love to be more social, but I have so little in common with most people in my area, especially in my age range. I do some volunteer work when/where it exists, but rarely would you ever find another person under even 40 doing likewise (nor are those who do "radical"). For occasional talks or films that some group puts on that are at least progressive, again, greater than 90% of ppl there are over 50 (and of course it's still a tiny portion of the community). Good for them, but it doesn't present too many possibilities for me. So what does that leave me to do, go to bars and get really drunk (the main social activity in a college town and maybe cities everywhere)? That's exactly what the system wants people to do (and spend the following day watching football), and it's nothing something I'm personally interested in.

[AmilcarCabral]

Roberto: you know sometimes I think that most people in America are zombies. "Philosophical zombies". This means that they look human outside but feel no pain. A philosophical zombie is a hypothetical being that is indistinguishable from a normal human being except in that it lacks conscious experience, qualia, or sentience. A philosophical zombie could be poked with a sharp object, and not feel any pain sensation, but yet, behave exactly as if it does feel pain (it may say "ouch" and recoil from the stimulus, or tell us that it is in intense pain). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie




I would say that the two are not the same if one's environment is the leading cause of their social alienation. I would love to be more social, but I have so little in common with most people in my area, especially in my age range. I do some volunteer work when/where it exists, but rarely would you ever find another person under even 40 doing likewise (nor are those who do "radical"). For occasional talks or films that some group puts on that are at least progressive, again, greater than 90% of ppl there are over 50 (and of course it's still a tiny portion of the community). Good for them, but it doesn't present too many possibilities for me. So what does that leave me to do, go to bars and get really drunk (the main social activity in a college town and maybe cities everywhere)? That's exactly what the system wants people to do (and spend the following day watching football), and it's nothing something I'm personally interested in.