Be smart, and be aware of government shills disguised as revolutionary warriors

[AmilcarCabral]

Dear comrades: All leftists activists should be very smart, and very aware and even paranoid in USA, about how US government hires these people to pretend to be a real revolutionary who is worried about how the US government is morphing into an oligarchic corrupt cleptocracy and the need of a revolution. Because yesterday there was this ad on Craigslist trying to hire americans to form a militia. And since the US government has this bad habit of framing people as a hobby, framing civil rights leaders, trapping leftists. Read this Craigslist ad, and judge for yourselves if this is an authentic american worried about a change. Or if this is a suspcious ad. This ad has been already deleted from Craigslist:

Are you tired of the corruption, lies, and deceit? Do you see what others can't.. do you feel our economy collapsing under us why the tell us its fine. Do you want for something more, something real. Are you a fighter who will stand up for what's right. I'm looking for loyal, real, like minded, dedicated people to form a tribe, militia, family, etc. To protect and prepare each other for what we all know and fear is coming.a lot of us are awake and have begun talking amongst ourselves and that's good but not good enough. We must band together and take action! I want to get some real people together to start training, learning, preparing, planning. I am well on my way to being prepared and have a vast knowledge of survival, war, fighting, government, psychology, law, etc. I'm willing to help train people, work together, and even die for you. I'm honest, true, and loyal. Looking for the same qualities in others. This may be our only chance. If your interested or have any questions please let me know. I need real serious people who know this is not a joke and know how real the threat and danger is. You need to have strength, will power and determination. Its not about being scared its about being prepared! I hope you all know your not alone and I wish all of you the best. Look forward to hearing from some real freedom fighters, true men and women, true patriots. Its time!

[Taters]

That's uh just a militia/survivalist nut there, amilcar.
Not really a trap for "leftists"

[Marshal of the People]

Dear comrades: All leftists activists should be very smart, and very aware and even paranoid in USA, about how US government hires these people to pretend to be a real revolutionary who is worried about how the US government is morphing into an oligarchic corrupt cleptocracy and the need of a revolution. Because yesterday there was this ad on Craigslist trying to hire americans to form a militia. And since the US government has this bad habit of framing people as a hobby, framing civil rights leaders, trapping leftists. Read this Craigslist ad, and judge for yourselves if this is an authentic american worried about a change. Or if this is a suspcious ad. This ad has been already deleted from Craigslist:

Are you tired of the corruption, lies, and deceit? Do you see what others can't.. do you feel our economy collapsing under us why the tell us its fine. Do you want for something more, something real. Are you a fighter who will stand up for what's right. I'm looking for loyal, real, like minded, dedicated people to form a tribe, militia, family, etc. To protect and prepare each other for what we all know and fear is coming.a lot of us are awake and have begun talking amongst ourselves and that's good but not good enough. We must band together and take action! I want to get some real people together to start training, learning, preparing, planning. I am well on my way to being prepared and have a vast knowledge of survival, war, fighting, government, psychology, law, etc. I'm willing to help train people, work together, and even die for you. I'm honest, true, and loyal. Looking for the same qualities in others. This may be our only chance. If your interested or have any questions please let me know. I need real serious people who know this is not a joke and know how real the threat and danger is. You need to have strength, will power and determination. Its not about being scared its about being prepared! I hope you all know your not alone and I wish all of you the best. Look forward to hearing from some real freedom fighters, true men and women, true patriots. Its time!


I don't think that is a government agent. I just think it is a delusional person who thinks he can stand up to the US government all on his own (along with about half a dozen of his friends).

[AmilcarCabral]

You guys are 100% correct. Those people who are desperate for a change have great intentions, good will power, are desperate, hungry and worried about a change. But where they fail is in their method and plans (which are anti-scientific, no scientific marxist theory of revolution at all there)

yeah i sensed a lot of anti-scientific thinking in that statement about a few people trying to overthrow the whole US government, without even the existance of a deep economic crisis right now in America, and with the fact, that the great percentage of people of the lower working classes being left-wingers (which is about 60% or so).

We have to remember that Lenin claimed that there needs to be a nation-wide crisis in the upper classes and in the lower classes for a revolutionary situation to exist in America. (And upper classes quitting their way of lives (like quitting their expensive parties, expensive trips etc. and lower classes radically chaging their way of life, like maybe cancelling all their cable-tv services, quitting hobbies etc)

If the great majority of americans were willing to support a third party, an anti-war party, or even the Green Party, maybe americans would support a revolutionary group.

I am not negative and pessimistic, but I think that most americans right now even in the middle of the crisis do not even support anti-war options like The Green Party.

You will see how in the 2016 elections Hillary Clinton will sell her self as a populist social-democrat, and the Republican Party who are also very smart and mind-control tactics will sell themselves as pro-immigration, pro-poor people populist reformists. The ruling classes of all countries of the world are not dumb, and if they see that the masses are shifting to the left with left-wing popular icons like Hugo Chavez being so mainstream already, Mandela. The ruling capitalist classes would trick the masses by trying to look like left-wingers

The popular masses, the majority of people of America including the immigrants are too mind-manipulated by CNN, FOX news, ABC, CBS, NBC, and the hispanic population by UNIVISION, TELEMUNDO, GALAVISION, TELEFUTURA, HISTORY CHANNEL, DISCOVERY CHANNEL, HBO, CINEMAX, SHOWTIME, MOVIE CHANNEL, SPORTS, POPULAR MUSIC, DVD MOVIES, NETFLIX.

And the only thing media powerful enough to fight all those right-wing monsters of media are The Russia Today News, Link TV and Free Speech TV. And they are social-democratic networks not even 100% left-wing sources. And then the internet is full of authentic marxist news websites like http://www.marxist.com http://www.wsws.org but the popular masses of America do not even read those alternative news websites.

Maybe gasoline prices rising to 10 dollars per gallon, chicken rising to 15 dollars per lb. can be the only thing that can turn americans into communists


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[Marshal of the People]

You guys are 100% correct. Those people who are desperate for a change have great intentions, good will power, are desperate, hungry and worried about a change. But where they fail is in their method and plans (which are anti-scientific, no scientific marxist theory of revolution at all there)

yeah i sensed a lot of anti-scientific thinking in that statement about a few people trying to overthrow the whole US government, without even the existance of a deep economic crisis right now in America, and with the fact, that the great percentage of people of the lower working classes being left-wingers (which is about 60% or so).

We have to remember that Lenin claimed that there needs to be a nation-wide crisis in the upper classes and in the lower classes for a revolutionary situation to exist in America. (And upper classes quitting their way of lives (like quitting their expensive parties, expensive trips etc. and lower classes radically chaging their way of life, like maybe cancelling all their cable-tv services, quitting hobbies etc)

If the great majority of americans were willing to support a third party, an anti-war party, or even the Green Party, maybe americans would support a revolutionary group.

I am not negative and pessimistic, but I think that most americans right now even in the middle of the crisis do not even support anti-war options like The Green Party.

You will see how in the 2016 elections Hillary Clinton will sell her self as a populist social-democrat, and the Republican Party who are also very smart and mind-control tactics will sell themselves as pro-immigration, pro-poor people populist reformists. The ruling classes of all countries of the world are not dumb, and if they see that the masses are shifting to the left with left-wing popular icons like Hugo Chavez being so mainstream already, Mandela. The ruling capitalist classes would trick the masses by trying to look like left-wingers

The popular masses, the majority of people of America including the immigrants are too mind-manipulated by CNN, FOX news, ABC, CBS, NBC, and the hispanic population by UNIVISION, TELEMUNDO, GALAVISION, TELEFUTURA, HISTORY CHANNEL, DISCOVERY CHANNEL, HBO, CINEMAX, SHOWTIME, MOVIE CHANNEL, SPORTS, POPULAR MUSIC, DVD MOVIES, NETFLIX.

And the only thing media powerful enough to fight all those right-wing monsters of media are The Russia Today News, Link TV and Free Speech TV. And they are social-democratic networks not even 100% left-wing sources. And then the internet is full of authentic marxist news websites like http://www.marxist.com http://www.wsws.org but the popular masses of America do not even read those alternative news websites.

Maybe gasoline prices rising to 10 dollars per gallon, chicken rising to 15 dollars per lb. can be the only thing that can turn americans into communists


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In order for a revolution a great majority of the country must want it, only then can it work.

I wouldn't call Russia Today left-wing because they are quite homophobic plus they are owned and controlled by Putin.

[BIXX]

That's uh just a militia/survivalist nut there, amilcar.
Not really a trap for "leftists"


Have you played that game, S.T.A.L.K.E.R.? It reminds me of clear sky, and freedom's propaganda speeches. Almost like a joke.

Anyway, I think the government knows that leftists tend not to care about being a "patriot", so I think it's just a militia but as taters said.

[cyu]

Not directly related, but I been considering how http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance can be used to flush out "spies" within any organization - or even liars.

For example, let's say you suspect someone in the organization of embezzlement. What you can do is to ask each person if embezzlement is wrong, and if they believe it is wrong, to go into specific detail about why they believe it is wrong, and what should be done about those who do harm your organization like this.

Those who are embezzling for personal gain will probably have some self-rationalizations they use to justify their own actions to themselves, to "prove" to themselves that they aren't bad people. For people like this, they are less likely to be able to make a convincing argument that embezzlement is wrong.

The second part, in describing what should be done about embezzling, those who know they are guilty will fear thinking about any potential punishment. They realize that any convincing argument they make about punishment could be turned around and used against them. The result would be a good deal of discomfort for them, especially if you start pushing about how to foil embezzlement, how it can be detected, and how to prevent the escape of the "supposedly guilty".

For ideological agents, ie. non-leftists posing as leftists, you could ask them all to produce propaganda for your cause. If they secretly oppose your ideology, they are less able to produce effective propaganda - it will mostly be half-hearted - since they can't actually think of good reasons to agree with you. However, even if they manage to pull some psychological tricks despite their own beliefs, and do produce excellent propaganda, this can still be used for your cause. If the propaganda is good enough to get more people to join your cause, it doesn't actually matter whether the person who produced it was sincere or not.

[cyu]

https://soundcloud.com/#pruradio/cointelpro-how-agents-disrupt

1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'
Forum sliding is a method where posts are kept out of the view or attention of the forum users. a number of unrelated posts are added and other off topic threads will also become active, causing the critical post to be buried.

2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'
an agent will use their account to create a post that looks legitimate and speaks to a central, critical issue, but has a VERY WEAK PREMISE at its core. under other accounts they control, otherwise known as “sock-puppets,” a very strong position in favor is slowly introduced. Once many members of the group appear to have reached consensus on this vulnerable premise, then this disinformation might spread accordingly where it can be debunked elsewhere, leaving the overarching issue open to invalidation.

3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding, it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' the productivity of forum members can be effectively stopped. This is a subtle form of “trolling,” that is less argumentative in nature. Agents also employ this technique in order to identify issues that may be used as a wedge later on to splinter the group.

4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'
Agents often look for and create situations where a member will say something incriminating so they may use it against them at a later date, either in court or as a means to discredit the member in the eyes of the rest of the group.

5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'
agents will present an image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction, at which point, they can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location.

6 - ‘BREAKING the BANHAMMER’
An agent may use phrases such as, "You mean you're banning people? Aren't you about free speech"; allowing the agent to push other items the group may be discussing off-topic.

7 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'
Agents will often be continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, agents can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and create a lack of interest among members to participate. Depending on the level of control an agent obtains, they can accidentally taking the forum offline. it‘s not always in the agent’s interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' of information and to misdirect newcomers

[Ele'ill]

https://soundcloud.com/#pruradio/cointelpro-how-agents-disrupt

1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'
Forum sliding is a method where posts are kept out of the view or attention of the forum users. a number of unrelated posts are added and other off topic threads will also become active, causing the critical post to be buried.

2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'
an agent will use their account to create a post that looks legitimate and speaks to a central, critical issue, but has a VERY WEAK PREMISE at its core. under other accounts they control, otherwise known as “sock-puppets,” a very strong position in favor is slowly introduced. Once many members of the group appear to have reached consensus on this vulnerable premise, then this disinformation might spread accordingly where it can be debunked elsewhere, leaving the overarching issue open to invalidation.

3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding, it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' the productivity of forum members can be effectively stopped. This is a subtle form of “trolling,” that is less argumentative in nature. Agents also employ this technique in order to identify issues that may be used as a wedge later on to splinter the group.

4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'
Agents often look for and create situations where a member will say something incriminating so they may use it against them at a later date, either in court or as a means to discredit the member in the eyes of the rest of the group.

5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'
agents will present an image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction, at which point, they can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location.

6 - ‘BREAKING the BANHAMMER’
An agent may use phrases such as, "You mean you're banning people? Aren't you about free speech"; allowing the agent to push other items the group may be discussing off-topic.

7 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'
Agents will often be continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, agents can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and create a lack of interest among members to participate. Depending on the level of control an agent obtains, they can accidentally taking the forum offline. it‘s not always in the agent’s interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' of information and to misdirect newcomers

Also used by 100% of the users on the board.

[blake 3:17]

I just always assume there's a cop or snitch in the room & take it from there.

I've been a bit amazed to learn over time that certain individuals weren't police agents -- just really messed up.

Came across this a while back. Well worth reading!


How a Radical Leftist Became the FBI's BFF


To many on the left, Brandon Darby was a hero. To federal agents consumed with busting anarchist terror cells, he was the perfect snitch.



For a few days in September 2008, as the Republican Party kicked off its national convention in St. Paul, Minnesota, the Twin Cities were a microcosm of a deeply divided nation. The atmosphere around town was tense, with local and federal police facing off against activists (http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/09/01/rnc_day1/) who had descended upon the city. Convinced that anarchists were plotting violent acts, they sought to bust the protesters' hangouts (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26471627/ns/politics-decision_08/t/police-target-protesters-rnc-convention/), sometimes bursting into apartments and houses brandishing assault rifles. Inside the cavernous Xcel Energy convention center, meanwhile, an out-of-nowhere vice presidential nominee named Sarah Palin (http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2008/08/mccains-angle) assured tens of thousands of ecstatic Republicans that her running mate, John McCain, was "a leader who's not looking for a fight, but sure isn't afraid of one either."


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/08/brandon-darby-anarchist-fbi-terrorism