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Sinister Intents
15th December 2013, 17:16
I can't post links now apparently :glare:


Collapse of the Universe Is Closer Than Ever Before

Dec. 12, 2013 — Maybe it happens tomorrow. Maybe in a billion years. Physicists have long predicted that the universe may one day collapse, and that everything in it will be compressed to a small hard ball. New calculations from physicists at the University of Southern Denmark now confirm this prediction -- and they also conclude that the risk of a collapse is even greater than previously thought.
Sooner or later a radical shift in the forces of the universe will cause every little particle in it to become extremely heavy. Everything -- every grain of sand on Earth, every planet in the solar system and every galaxy -- will become millions of billions times heavier than it is now, and this will have disastrous consequences: The new weight will squeeze all material into a small, super hot and super heavy ball, and the universe as we know it will cease to exist.
This violent process is called a phase transition and is very similar to what happens when, for example water turns to steam or a magnet heats up and loses its magnetization. The phase transition in the universe will happen if a bubble is created where the Higgs-field associated with the Higgs-particle reaches a different value than the rest of the universe. If this new value results in lower energy and if the bubble is large enough, the bubble will expand at the speed of light in all directions. All elementary particles inside the bubble will reach a mass, that is much heavier than if they were outside the bubble, and thus they will be pulled together and form supermassive centers.
"Many theories and calculations predict such a phase transition- but there have been some uncertainties in the previous calculations. Now we have performed more precise calculations, and we see two things: Yes, the universe will probably collapse , and: A collapse is even more likely than the old calculations predicted," says Jens Frederik Colding Krog, PhD student at the Center for Cosmology and Particle Physics Phenomenology (CP ³ -- Origins) at University of Southern Denmark and co-author of an article on the subject in the Journal of High Energy Physics.
"The phase transition will start somewhere in the universe and spread from there. Maybe the collapse has already started somewhere in the universe and right now it is eating its way into the rest of the universe. Maybe a collapsed is starting right now right here here. Or maybe it will start far away from here in a billion years. We do not know," says Jens Frederik Colding Krog.
More specifically he and his colleagues looked at three of the main equations that underlie the prediction of a phase change. These are about the so-called beta functions, which determine the strength of interactions between for example light particles and electrons as well as Higgs bosons and quarks.
So far physicists have worked with one equation at a time, but now the physicists from CP3 show that the three equations actually can be worked with together and that they interact with each other. When applying all three equations together the physicists predict that the probability of a collapse as a result of a phase change is even greater than when applying only one of the equations.
The theory of phase transition is not the only theory predicting a collapse of the universe. Also the so-called Big Crunch theory is in play. This theory is based on the Big Bang; the formation of the universe. After the Big Bang all material was ejected into the universe from one small area, and this expansion is still happening. At some point, however, the expansion will stop and all the material will again begin to attract each other and eventually merge into a small area again. This is called the Big Crunch.
"The latest research shows that the universe's expansion is accelerating, so there is no reason to expect a collapse from cosmological observations. Thus it will probably not be Big Crunch that causes the universe to collapse," says Jens Frederik Colding Krog.
Although the new calculations predict that a collapse is now more likely than ever before, it is actually also possible, that it will not happen at all. It is a prerequisite for the phase change that the universe consists of the elementary particles that we know today, including the Higgs particle. If the universe contains undiscovered particles, the whole basis for the prediction of phase change disappears.
"Then the collapse will be canceled," says Jens Frederik Colding Krog.
In these years the hunt for new particles is intense. Only a few years ago the Higgs-particle was discovered, and a whole field of research known as high-energy physics is engaged in looking for more new particles. At CP3 several physicists are convinced that the Higgs particle is not an elementary particle, but that it is made up of even smaller particles called techni-quarks. Also the theory of super symmetry predicts the existence of yet undiscovered particles, existing somewhere in the universe as partners for all existing particles. According to this theory there will be a selectron for the electron, a fotino for the photon, etc

link: w w w .sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/12/131212113034.htm

BIXX
15th December 2013, 18:40
Neat.

I honestly love physics (despite my hatred of the class) and I think things like this are really interesting. I do like how the story doesn't try to sensationalize the collapse too much, as well.

Remus Bleys
15th December 2013, 19:34
Isn't the universe always closer to being destroyed, because every second is one second closer to death?
Anyway neat article.

Sinister Intents
15th December 2013, 19:37
Isn't the universe always closer to being destroyed, because every second is one second closer to death?
Anyway neat article.
Yeah definitely. I wonder what it'll be like when this crunch happens, what it'll look like and how everything will be affected.

BIXX
15th December 2013, 21:16
Yeah definitely. I wonder what it'll be like when this crunch happens, what it'll look like and how everything will be affected.


I honestly think that dimensions curling up into the size of (if I remember correctly) 1 Planck length will be so far outside our comprehension that we wouldn't be able to perceive it. We'd simply pop out of existence.

Also, I doubt we will be able to witness the collapse due to the nature if it collapsing at light speed (meaning that by the time we could perceive it it would already be here).

Hexen
16th December 2013, 03:42
Actually do note that this is done by a PHd Student not a actual PHd and there's lots of maybes in his article. Well he's actually rehashing the whole "False Vacuum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum#Vacuum_metastability_event)" event.

So this entire thing might be fear mongering rubbish since then again, Apocalypticism is so deeply hardwired into our society that it even leaks into science as well sometimes.

Logical seal
16th December 2013, 04:04
Gharg

brain hurt.

Futility Personified
16th December 2013, 08:51
Thought this was happening on ketamine once, was the most terrifying thing ever at the time. Now it just seems that the universe's number has to be up some way, this one is probably easiest.

Tenka
16th December 2013, 09:56
Life sucks and then it compresses into a small hard ball. And when it happens humanity will likely still be a species against itself with its shitty economic social order--this, above all else, is what is depressing about these sorts of apocalyptic theories.

Os Cangaceiros
16th December 2013, 13:04
The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.

Sinister Intents
16th December 2013, 15:13
The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.

Does New Year's Day sound good? I wanna witness the collapse even if its a brief occurrence

ÑóẊîöʼn
16th December 2013, 15:21
That's funny, I thought the expansion of the universe was accelerating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_universe). So how can it be collapsing?

Os Cangaceiros
16th December 2013, 16:22
Life sucks and then it compresses into a small hard ball. And when it happens humanity will likely still be a species against itself with its shitty economic social order--this, above all else, is what is depressing about these sorts of apocalyptic theories.

Haha, how can that be depressing? It's depressing that a bunch of hairless apes are still squabbling over how to divvy up stuff on a tiny blue speck on the outskirts of some provincial solar system?

The fucking universe is imploding, who cares anymore! :lol:

Tenka
16th December 2013, 23:50
Haha, how can that be depressing? It's depressing that a bunch of hairless apes are still squabbling over how to divvy up stuff on a tiny blue speck on the outskirts of some provincial solar system?
Yes. I am not able to consider myself apart from these apes, as apparently you are. We could have done so much, maybe lasted forever, if only we weren't such dumb shits.


The fucking universe is imploding, who cares anymore! :lol:

I DO YOU ANTI-HUMAN BASTARD! :glare:

EDIT: I remembered some things yesterday about my life. Actually, I'd rather the universe hurry up and implode because I'm probably going to die alone and trapped and young so fuck everyone else srsly.

TriPac Dude
22nd January 2014, 14:59
I've studied some quantum physics and such, and I've also done a lot of research on it on my own. This is just one of the theories. Actually, it won't compress into a small hard ball, it will collapse into something called a "singularity". Basically an infinitely small point in space of infinite density and mass. Kind of wired I know. Another theory I find interesting is the "big freeze" where the universe continues to expand and eventually all stars burn out and the universe cools to absolute zero. Also called heat death.

helot
22nd January 2014, 15:34
Yeah im not too worried as the universe is expanding at an increasing speed. I'd imagine if this phase transition were to occur it'd still be billions of years. Expanding at the speed of light? That's real slow. The observable universe has a radius of ~46 billion lightyears. The sun'll be dead by then.

ÑóẊîöʼn
22nd January 2014, 22:41
If the rate of acceleration becomes great enough, then the universe could end up tearing itself apart in a Big Rip (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip). Although apparently it's still too early to tell.

AnaRchic
22nd January 2014, 22:57
Perhaps the universe begins with a big bang, expands and accelerates, and collapses in on itself to a singularity once again. The article seems to suggest that this is very feasible, even likely.

Perhaps all of existence is energy in phase transition, the constant transformation of energy into new forms. Upon a collapse to a singularity, and a new big bang, a whole new organization of energy would likely emerge. This scenerio would render irrelevant the whole 'fine-tuning' problem. If this expansion and collapse happens over and over again infinitely, every universe would have different physical laws; given this, it is impossible to not at some point have a universe with the exact physical parameters necessary for the emergence of life.

This is all very fascinating, and points to a long-standing contention; that nature is all there is, all there ever was, and all there ever will be.

Ritzy Cat
23rd January 2014, 04:52
I personally find the Big Freeze the most reasonable theory on this matter, at least since it's based on physics that are already known to exist. Since heat is spread out across the universe, the more it spreads, the more the heat is spread out, eventually resulting in it being so spread out its unnoticeable. Then all the stars can't perform fusion and everything dies, and it's a big... empty... universe

Sinister Intents
23rd January 2014, 15:13
I personally find the Big Freeze the most reasonable theory on this matter, at least since it's based on physics that are already known to exist. Since heat is spread out across the universe, the more it spreads, the more the heat is spread out, eventually resulting in it being so spread out its unnoticeable. Then all the stars can't perform fusion and everything dies, and it's a big... empty... universe

That's beautiful :crying: why can't we have that happen now?

Tim Cornelis
23rd January 2014, 15:24
That's beautiful :crying: why can't we have that happen now?

Because it can't. If you want to freeze to death, you can do that now though.
Enough with this misantrophic pretentiousness.