Revolutionary Armed Forces–People’s Liberation declares war on Mexico

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Revolutionary Armed Forces–People’s Liberation declares war on Mexico

Mexico will probe the alleged creation of a rebel group in the troubled southern state of Guerrero that is calling on people to take up arms against the government, the office of Mexico’s attorney general said Monday.

Hooded men carrying rifles and handguns went before reporters Sunday in an undisclosed location in Guerrero and announced the formation of the Revolutionary Armed Forces–People’s Liberation, Mexican media reported.

A statement issued by the group called President Enrique Peña Nieto’s government repressive, criticizing education reforms as well as a planned energy reform bill that the group said would surrender Mexico’s oil wealth to foreigners.

“There is no day like today to declare war,” said the supposed group’s leader, reading from a statement. The group also accused the government of killing environmental activists, student and rural leaders and other community activists and demanded the release of detained leaders of groups defending their communities against drug-related violence in Guerrero.

A spokesman for the Mexican attorney general’s office said a probe would be launched to confirm the group’s existence and to assess its size and reach.

Guerrero, home to the resort city of Acapulco, is one of Mexico’s poorest states and is plagued by drug violence. Small vigilante rebel groups have been active in the state for decades, as the police have failed to contain powerful drug cartels that murder and kidnap civilians.

The new group’s name is reminiscent of a small rebel cell known as the Popular Revolutionary Army, which emerged in 1996 and said it followed Marxist ideology. That group’s last known attack was in 2007 when it blew up several oil pipelines.

The new group’s declaration of war nearly coincides with the first anniversary of Peña Nieto’s presidency; he took office a year ago last Sunday.

Al Jazeera and Agence France-Presse





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[servusmoderni]

I've looked around and can't find anything about this group in particular. There isn't much. Here's the wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Revolutionary_Army

[The Feral Underclass]

Mexico will probe the alleged creation of a rebel group
It would be interesting to know what this will mean in practice.

[Tim Cornelis]

I've looked around and can't find anything about this group in particular. There isn't much. Here's the wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Revolutionary_Army

This is a different organisation.

[Per Levy]

so how many of those groups exist now? what will they do differently then the other groups? how big is their support?

[LiamChe]

This is good news! I hope the EPR-PL can be a positive force for the Mexican proletariat for resisting both the corrupt government and violent drug cartels.

[La Guaneña]

AFAIK Mexico has around than 20 revolutionary goups doing guerrillas at this time. Most of them are small, but this number of groups means serious shit may be going on in a few years.

[Venas Abiertas]

“There is no day like today to declare war,”

:laugh: I love it! This guy gets an "A" for attitude. It reminds me of the intro to the cartoon "Pinky and the Brain":

Pinky: Gee, Brain, what do you want to do tonight?

The Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky—try to take over the world!

Really, it's just like an old pair of pants that have so many patches that you can't mend it any more. So, what do you do? You throw it out and get a whole new pair. That's what needs to be done in Mexico. A successful revolution in Mexico could free the way for the same thing to happen in the rest of Latin America, and then the world!

I know, I know...that didn't happen with the first Mexican revolution, but hopefully we've learned a few things since then. If we can't learn from our mistakes then the whole leftist project is doomed, and I should be taking night classes to get my MBA right now instead of typing to a bunch of losers on an Internet forum. (Present company included.)

[Os Cangaceiros]

The last Mexican "armed struggle"-type group of any note that I can remember unless you count the narco-insurgents was the EPR, and I doubt they have many militants at all nowadays. EZLN is a lot more significant & has real popular support but they aren't really an armed struggle group.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

The last Mexican "armed struggle"-type group of any note that I can remember unless you count the narco-insurgents was the EPR, and I doubt they have many militants at all nowadays. EZLN is a lot more significant & has real popular support but they aren't really an armed struggle group.

They still have an armed wing, it's just inactive because they read the Mexican people as not wanting an armed struggle, and because armed offensives didn't get them far in their initial uprising against the professional Mexican military. As far as I know they still have guns and are still trained to use them. Also there was and I hear still is a low intensity struggle against groups like the Paz y Justicia paramilitaries.

[AmilcarCabral]

Hi, good, because I used to think that a workers-dictatorship can be voted into government. But even Karl Marx said in an interview with a journalist from The Chicago Tribune, that there can't be changes at all for the oppressed without armed and violent struggles of the oppressed against the ruling class:

CHICAGO TRIBUNE INTERVIEW WITH KARL MARX

CHICAGO TRIBUNE: To carry out the principles of socialism do its believers advocate assassination and bloodshed?

KARL MARX: No great movement, has ever been inaugurated Without Bloodshed. The independence of America was won by bloodshed, Napoleon captured France through a bloody process, and he was overthrown by the same means. Italy, England, Germany, and every other country gives proof of this, and as for assassination, it is not a new thing, I need scarcely say. Orsini tried to kill Napoleon; kings have killed more than anybody else; the Jesuits have killed; the Puritans killed at the time of Cromwell. These deeds were all done or attempted before socialism was born. Every attempt, however, now made upon a royal or state individual is attributed to socialism. The socialists would regret very much the death of the German Emperor at the present time. He is very useful where he is; and Bismarck has done more for the cause than any other statesman, by driving things to extremes.

SOURCE: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/bio/media/marx/79_01_05.htm


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Revolutionary Armed Forces–People’s Liberation declares war on Mexico

Mexico will probe the alleged creation of a rebel group in the troubled southern state of Guerrero that is calling on people to take up arms against the government, the office of Mexico’s attorney general said Monday.

Hooded men carrying rifles and handguns went before reporters Sunday in an undisclosed location in Guerrero and announced the formation of the Revolutionary Armed Forces–People’s Liberation, Mexican media reported.

A statement issued by the group called President Enrique Peña Nieto’s government repressive, criticizing education reforms as well as a planned energy reform bill that the group said would surrender Mexico’s oil wealth to foreigners.

“There is no day like today to declare war,” said the supposed group’s leader, reading from a statement. The group also accused the government of killing environmental activists, student and rural leaders and other community activists and demanded the release of detained leaders of groups defending their communities against drug-related violence in Guerrero.

A spokesman for the Mexican attorney general’s office said a probe would be launched to confirm the group’s existence and to assess its size and reach.

Guerrero, home to the resort city of Acapulco, is one of Mexico’s poorest states and is plagued by drug violence. Small vigilante rebel groups have been active in the state for decades, as the police have failed to contain powerful drug cartels that murder and kidnap civilians.

The new group’s name is reminiscent of a small rebel cell known as the Popular Revolutionary Army, which emerged in 1996 and said it followed Marxist ideology. That group’s last known attack was in 2007 when it blew up several oil pipelines.

The new group’s declaration of war nearly coincides with the first anniversary of Peña Nieto’s presidency; he took office a year ago last Sunday.

Al Jazeera and Agence France-Presse





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[bcbm]

wait people here seriously think the declaration of another six person 'guerrilla' is going to matter in mexico? they have about as much chance of doing anything important as the anti-civ anarchist in mexico who shot a scientist. which is to say, zero.

[Stradacero]

wait people here seriously think the declaration of another six person 'guerrilla' is going to matter in mexico? they have about as much chance of doing anything important as the anti-civ anarchist in mexico who shot a scientist. which is to say, zero.

I would say they are more than that, since this group seems to be from elements of the EPR as well as the Policia Comunitaria in Guerrero and Costa Chica fighting the Knights Templar cartel. That said I do not really think they will amount to much since the EPR before that was mostly just a Focoista group that engaged in "propaganda of the deed" to inspire people to take up arms. It really did not amount to much even before they split into other groups.

[Lensky]

:laugh: I love it! This guy gets an "A" for attitude. It reminds me of the intro to the cartoon "Pinky and the Brain":

Pinky: Gee, Brain, what do you want to do tonight?

The Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky—try to take over the world!

Really, it's just like an old pair of pants that have so many patches that you can't mend it any more. So, what do you do? You throw it out and get a whole new pair. That's what needs to be done in Mexico. A successful revolution in Mexico could free the way for the same thing to happen in the rest of Latin America, and then the world!

I know, I know...that didn't happen with the first Mexican revolution, but hopefully we've learned a few things since then. If we can't learn from our mistakes then the whole leftist project is doomed, and I should be taking night classes to get my MBA right now instead of typing to a bunch of losers on an Internet forum. (Present company included.)

Please stop watching so many cartoons comrade, these are people fighting a protracted war because they have no other choice. They are not bored academics such as yourself.

[Lensky]

wait people here seriously think the declaration of another six person 'guerrilla' is going to matter in mexico? they have about as much chance of doing anything important as the anti-civ anarchist in mexico who shot a scientist. which is to say, zero.

Great analysis, I can feel my IQ increasing

[Remus Bleys]

Great analysis, I can feel my IQ increasing
Great reply, I can feel my IQ increasing

[SensibleLuxemburgist]

Mexico's pseudo-socialist illusion (the PRI regime) has been shattered with the growth of groups like these. It is time for a 2nd Mexican Revolution.

[Bala Perdida]

Mexico's pseudo-socialist illusion (the PRI regime) has been shattered with the growth of groups like these. It is time for a 2nd Mexican Revolution.
Puppy dog to the empire. Mexico, so far from heaven and so close to the US. They have bourgeoisie, balck market bourgeoisie, proletariat, peasantry, but not enough revolutionaries.

[Os Cangaceiros]

PRI aren't even pseudo socialist. Maybe you're thinking of PRD.

[RedWaves]

Here's a link to a great Mexican political site


http://www.borderlandbeat.com/


and some links to the armed civilian groups (self defense) popping up

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2013/12/army-opens-fire-at-self-defense-group.html

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2013/12/self-defense-movement-readies-for.html

[La Guaneña]

wait people here seriously think the declaration of another six person 'guerrilla' is going to matter in mexico? they have about as much chance of doing anything important as the anti-civ anarchist in mexico who shot a scientist. which is to say, zero.

This is not an isolated situation, comrade. In many department these "six person 'guerrillas' are popping up in the form of self-defense forces against the militarized state and their buddies the paramilitary groups.

[The Fonz]

The FAR-LP may be a maoist group because in their statements i have read they talk about guerra popular or peoples war in english. The EPR still exist they put out a magazine type publication every month called El Insurgente. The FAR-LP could be made up of former EPR members. The EPR originated with the merger of several tiny guerrillas some of whom were maoist, one group that eventually formed the EPR was a group led by El Guero Mederano who received military training in China.

[RedWaves]

The biggest problems in Mexico is that government.


It truly is controlled and owned by the drug cartels. The corruption in Mexico is off the charts. They send their own military to go disarm their own citizens, meanwhile the cartels can do whatever the fuck they want, cause they don't want to hurt the profits they get from being in bed with them.

It's been rumored for nearly a decade now that the Los Zeta Cartel had a lot of help from the CIA in their creation. I don't know if that's true or not, but seeing how the CIA was behind the Contras in the 80's I wouldn't doubt there is some kind of CIA involvement with one of the cartels down there. The Zeta's also were the main cartel that had the guns from the Fast and Furious Scandal.


Meanwhile, the one that don't get talked about is CDS, Cartel De Sinaloa whom everyone has constantly accused of being the true puppet master to the government, and it's a big possibility. The Sinaloa Cartel is brutal in strength and they aren't about to fall down any time soon.


Mexico is what Colombia was in the 80's, a cesspit of drug cartels. I don't see people overthrowing the government cause the government has these cartels backing them, and if you follow the drug war you will see the cartels outnumber and outgun the Mexican military. This is how the U.S. wants it anyway, they couldn't have it better since it helps them with their "war on drugs" in increasing the prison population and profiting from incarceration numbers.

When you break down just how bad Mexico is, you understand why so many want to come to the U.S. even though they don't know just how racist the U.S. still is and how they treat immigrants like shit. Mexico is extremely capitalist too like the U.S., there is a lot of cheap labor and a lot of poverty down there while the majority get trampled on and the privileged live in luxury.

[Prometeo liberado]

South Mexico has had groups such as these roaming around for long as I can remember. Back in '79 I remember seeing the graffiti on the walls. Yes 1979.:mad:

[Os Cangaceiros]

It's been rumored for nearly a decade now that the Los Zeta Cartel had a lot of help from the CIA in their creation. I don't know if that's true or not, but seeing how the CIA was behind the Contras in the 80's I wouldn't doubt there is some kind of CIA involvement with one of the cartels down there.

The nucleus of Los Zetas comes from Mexico's armed forces, which received funding from the USA, so in that sense the USA played a role in creating the group, but as far as the CIA rubbing their hands together and saying "muhaha, let's create a group of narco-psychopaths to terrorize Mexico", no, I don't think there's evidence to support that. The CIA's support of the Contras was practical in nature. They didn't like the Sandinistas and opposing them involved hopping into bed with shady people, some of whom were involved in drug trafficking. That doesn't necessarily mean that the CIA had a major affirmative interest in these sorts of activities.

Zetas came on the scene late and built up their reputation for their acts of violence and general mayhem, but the real major players in Mexico's drug trade are the Gulf and Sinaloa Cartels, IMO. They're kind of like the old, aristocratic drug money, while Zetas are the flashy, new drug money yuppies trying to carve out a name for themselves outside of just being hired muscle, which was their former role.

I think things have settled down in Mexico regarding the drug situation, though. The Mexican government under the PRI always had an understanding with the drug organizations of "peaceful coexistence" and that'll probably be the case again. I do think it is interesting that Calderon escalated the intensity of the offensive against the leaders of the cartels when he did, in 2006, a year of some significance in southern Mexico. (Although it is true that violent conflict between the major drug orgs had broken out prior to December of 2006).

[#FF0000]

The EPR still exist they put out a magazine type publication every month called El Insurgente.

Imagining this sitting on a table in a dentist's waiting room.

[IBleedRed]

Mexico has always been "on the verge" of serious revolutionary upheaval. Since the breakdown of the old-fashioned military dictatorship with the end of Porfirio Diaz, Mexico has seen a never-ending contest between liberals, traditionalists, socialists, bandits, peasant-revolutionaries, et c.

Some of them have mattered: the Zapatistas come to mind as one of the more interesting groups. Most of the groups, however, are and have always been irrelevant.

On the bright side, I can more easily see an armed workers' revolt in Mexico than I can in the United States. Then again, Mexico also has a sizeable peasant population which would be difficult to integrate into a workers' revolution. In order to have the maximum chance of success, a revolution needs to tie the emancipation of the working class to the emancipation of Mexican peasants, the indigenous, and women, among many others.

[RedWaves]

Zetas came on the scene late and built up their reputation for their acts of violence and general mayhem, but the real major players in Mexico's drug trade are the Gulf and Sinaloa Cartels, IMO. They're kind of like the old, aristocratic drug money, while Zetas are the flashy, new drug money yuppies trying to carve out a name for themselves outside of just being hired muscle, which was their former role.




Didn't the Zeta's also start in the Golfo's and split from them? I had heard at one point they were one.



I think the Sinaloa reigns supreme in Mexico as the real puppet master. They are the modern day Medellin Cartel without all the crazy violent outbursts. They have a grip on the government just as the Medellin had.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Yeah they started out working as Gulf henchmen before breaking out to do their own thing. Supposedly the Sinaloa Cartel had been trying to bring in more recruits from MS-13 in central america to help counter the Zetas influence, not sure what the situation regarding that is currently like.