Did socialism ruin Zimbabwe's economy?

[TheFalseprophet]

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[Sabot Cat]

Are all of your posts just flamebait threads wherein the OP consists of nothing but a link?

[Sasha]

No racism did, but since you are clearly not willing to debate I'm just gonna ban you for being a spamtroll, bye...

[liberlict]

Zimbabwe fucked Zimbabwe's economy. No economic system can work without social capital.

[SensibleLuxemburgist]

Socialism did not ruin Zimbabwe's economy, poor economic planning and IMF subordination limited the actions the Zimbabwe government could take to implement fully socialist economic planning. In addition, Mugabe's incompetence has led to the bastardization of the infrastructure the Rhodesians built instead of taking it down completely and restructuring it into an infrastructure that would benefit the Zimbabwean workers.

MIA has a good article by Leo Zeilig which was published in Spring 2002 in the No. 94 issue of the International Socialism newspaper detailing the persistent economic crisis the Zimbabwean economy had been in since the mid-1980s and its roots stemming from Zimbabwe's colonial legacy.

[Sea]

No racism did, but since you are clearly not willing to debate I'm just gonna ban you for being a spamtroll, bye...No, racism didn't 'ruin the economy'. That's not how materialism works. There's a chicken-and-egg thing going on here with racism that you have to examine.

[Qayin]

No, racism didn't 'ruin the economy'. That's not how materialism works. There's a chicken-and-egg thing going on here with racism that you have to examine.

Or maybe your white/colonial privilege YOU should examine first. Racism has historically given the black people under development while the white elites the benefit of all Zimbabwe industry and fertile land. Mugabes socialization of the farms back to the indigenous population didn't ruin anything, Zimbabwes economy is improving and historical justice against colonialism and imperialism is ongoing. You cant apply the same standards of the developed western imperialist world to Zimbabwe.

[Sea]

Or maybe your white/colonial privilege YOU should examine first. Racism has historically given the black people under development while the white elites the benefit of all Zimbabwe industry and fertile land. Mugabes socialization of the farms back to the indigenous population didn't ruin anything, Zimbabwes economy is improving and historical justice against colonialism and imperialism is ongoing. You cant apply the same standards of the developed western imperialist world to Zimbabwe.No, racism is a result of uneven development, not a cause of it. If Zimbabwe were a shining star of capitalism like the United States, it would certainly be much harder to finger Zimbabweans as "savages" or "uncivilized". Racism is most effective as a strategy for splitting up the working class when the victims are economically undeveloped, which also gives rise to them being kept underdeveloped in sort of a vicious cycle. At that point, which has been reached in countries like Zimbabwe, racism is a justification for the dehumanizing conditions. Racism cannot "historically give" anything. It is part of the superstructure, not part of the base.

[Mrcapitalist]

Socialism did not ruin Zimbabwe's economy, poor economic planning and IMF subordination limited the actions the Zimbabwe government could take to implement fully socialist economic planning. In addition, Mugabe's incompetence has led to the bastardization of the infrastructure the Rhodesians built instead of taking it down completely and restructuring it into an infrastructure that would benefit the Zimbabwean workers.

MIA has a good article by Leo Zeilig which was published in Spring 2002 in the No. 94 issue of the International Socialism newspaper detailing the persistent economic crisis the Zimbabwean economy had been in since the mid-1980s and its roots stemming from Zimbabwe's colonial legacy.

Poor economic planning would be socialism fault because economic planning is ineffective.

[Brazita]

one of the mojor factors that killed and still is killing Zimbabwe's economy is corruption. as long as the leaders continue looting the natural resources that boost the economy then there's no economy to talk about.....

[Illegalitarian]

No, racism is a result of uneven development, not a cause of it. If Zimbabwe were a shining star of capitalism like the United States, it would certainly be much harder to finger Zimbabweans as "savages" or "uncivilized". Racism is most effective as a strategy for splitting up the working class when the victims are economically undeveloped, which also gives rise to them being kept underdeveloped in sort of a vicious cycle. At that point, which has been reached in countries like Zimbabwe, racism is a justification for the dehumanizing conditions. Racism cannot "historically give" anything. It is part of the superstructure, not part of the base.

Racism is most definitely a cause of underdevelopment, though. It's not like the most exploited and underdeveloped countries on earth are underdeveloped because of some unknown reason and this simply sparked racist sentiments.


I agree with what you're saying here about racism coming from underdevelopment, and I believe that sounds right, but during the time this underdevelopment was imposed racism was a part of the base, I think it's fair to say.

[Blake's Baby]

Poor economic planning would be socialism fault because economic planning is ineffective.

But that's not what socialism means.

If the question was 'did poor economic planning kill Zimbabwe's economy' then maybe the answer would be 'yes; it certainly contributed'.

[liberlict]

lol Robert Mugabe ruined Zimbabwe's economy.

[Dave]

Mugabe's government ruined Zimbabwe's economy. Rhodesia was known as the bread basket of Africa. Mugabe's policy of seizing land from white farmers, whom were producing food effectively and efficiently and redistributing it to black squatters, resulted in an agricultural collapse. This helped ruin Zimbabwe's economy and led to famine in other parts of Africa.

[Illegalitarian]

lol it's not that the white farmers had some magic whitey powers that was ruined by Mugabe's expropriations, it's that he only distributed their property out to people in his government who had no real interest in running any of the industries or farms seized

A more competent leader interested in actually helping his countries could have done quite a bit of good, though likely would have met the same fate as Lumumba and Sankara

[JahLemon]

Mugabe's policy of seizing land from white farmers, whom were producing food effectively and efficiently and redistributing it to black squatters, resulted in an agricultural collapse.
wow

[Dave]

lol it's not that the white farmers had some magic whitey powers that was ruined by Mugabe's expropriations, it's that he only distributed their property out to people in his government who had no real interest in running any of the industries or farms seized

A more competent leader interested in actually helping his countries could have done quite a bit of good, though likely would have met the same fate as Lumumba and Sankara

They were the most efficient at growing food; something Africa badly needs. Why else did after the expropriations did inflation skyrocket and food disappear from the supermarket shelves?

[Illegalitarian]

Because he didn't distribute the land to actual farmers and it collapsed the economy?