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TheFalseprophet
26th November 2013, 20:26
/watch?v=lUx9fArlqig[/url]

Remus Bleys
26th November 2013, 20:30
I stopped listening the first second.
you have obviously never read marx. therefore you are arguing against a strawman.

TheFalseprophet
26th November 2013, 20:30
That's not me...

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
26th November 2013, 20:32
That's not me...

I do not think he was saying such.

Rather, there is nothing to refute here, because this idiot, in typical youtube imbecilic Randoid fashion, is arguing against his own deranged constructions.

Taters
26th November 2013, 20:43
lol cultural marxism and "collectivist subversion". I stopped right there. I hear enough conspiracy nonsense as it is.
"Communists/fascists have infiltrated the highest levels of goverment! Economic fascism!!!111"

GiantMonkeyMan
26th November 2013, 20:45
That person on the video should have read some of the later prefaces to printed editions, found here (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/preface.htm), where Marx and Engels claim that some of the demands of the manifesto are contemporary to the period in which it was written but the underlying principles remain the same, or perhaps just read some more Marx beyond a single historic text.

Czy
26th November 2013, 20:55
Quoting the guy who made the video from the comments:


Economic fascism is one path to communism anyway. Also, the entire West is highly culturally Marxist. Perhaps we will wake up in total communist/socialist before all's said and done though. Let's hope it doesn't get that far.

What a fucking moron.

Per Levy
26th November 2013, 21:17
stoped after the first sentence, communism is here? oh really, i wonder why i still have a boss, why the company i work for is privatly owned. or much simpler why is capitalism still here if communism is allready here?

Einkarl
26th November 2013, 21:30
Communism is here? Good show comrades!
Whoo! That took while.
Okay guys revolution over, we won. Lets go home. No need to be here, move along.
Some one call the Zapatistas and the Naxalites and let them know that we're done. :laugh:

Comrade Jacob
26th November 2013, 21:34
I should have noticed the lack of a state, the lack of money, the lack of private-property and the lack of classes.
Guess I should stick the kettle on.

TheFalseprophet
26th November 2013, 21:34
Quoting the guy who made the video from the comments:



What a fucking moron.
You might one to see a video from his idiot in law that he's subscribed to.../watch?v=CBclxg3OOMw[/url]

#FF0000
26th November 2013, 22:17
Communism is a classless and stateless society. This guy made a baby-basic mistake of looking at the 10 planks of the Community Party platform and taking them as 10 things a communist society should have, rather than what they actually are -- 10 things the Communist Party in Marx's time saw as immediate goals.

And the entire beginning of the video where he talks about "all that needs to happen is the takeover of private industry and centralization under the state" betrays a total ignorance of Marxism. I mean, one of the biggest things to take away from Marx's Critique of the Gotha Programme is that the bourgeois state cannot be used to defend working class interests. And then there's this quote from The Civil War in France:


But the working class cannot simply lay hold of the ready-made state machinery, and wield it for its own purposes.

The centralized state power, with its ubiquitous organs of standing army, police, bureaucracy, clergy, and judicature – organs wrought after the plan of a systematic and hierarchic division of labor – originates from the days of absolute monarchy, serving nascent middle class society as a mighty weapon in its struggle against feudalism. Still, its development remained clogged by all manner of medieval rubbish, seignorial rights, local privileges, municipal and guild monopolies, and provincial constitutions. The gigantic broom of the French Revolution of the 18th century swept away all these relics of bygone times, thus clearing simultaneously the social soil of its last hinderances to the superstructure of the modern state edifice raised under the First Empire, itself the offspring of the coalition wars of old semi-feudal Europe against modern France.