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ckaihatsu
26th November 2013, 19:24
Amnesty Intl calls for Chelsea Manning's release. Sign the petition.


Amnesty Intl petition to release Chelsea immediately.

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Bradley Manning Support Network
Amnesty Intl petition calls for
Chelsea Manning's immediate release


Please sign and share this important petition to release Chelsea Manning immediately, (http://www.amnesty.org/en/appeals-for-action/chelseamanning) launched by Amnesty International. It will be delivered to Maj. Gen. Buchanan, the Convening Authority over Manning's trial, early next year.


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“When I chose to disclose classified information, I did so out of a love for my country and a sense of duty to others.”-Pvt. Manning

Amnesty International is calling for the immediate release of Chelsea Manning and they have launched a petition to demonstrate support.

In the petition they include a letter written to Maj. Gen. Buchanan, which offers powerful arguments for Chelsea's release, particularly her motivation to spark international debate about the war, the extensive time she already spent in pretrial detention, the abusive treatment she received at Quantico prison, the unjust severe sentence imposed that is harsher than that given to murderers, rapists, and war criminals, and lastly the fact that Chelsea exposed information that revealed "potential human rights violations and breaches of international humanitarian law by US troops, Iraqi and Afghan forces operating alongside US forces, military contractors, and the CIA."

This is an important petition and we are asking all supporters to sign and share it widely!

SIGN THIS IMPORTANT PETITION (http://www.amnesty.org/en/appeals-for-action/chelseamanning)

Public presentations by attorney David Coombs

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David Coombs, attorney for American prisoner of conscience US Army Pvt. Chelsea (formerly Bradley) Manning, will speak at three upcoming West Coast events hosted by the Private Manning Support Network. Mr. Coombs continues to represent the heroic WikiLeaks whistle-blower recently sentenced to 35-years in military prison.

Sunday, Dec. 8 at 7:00pm -- Los Angeles CA
The Church in Ocean Park, 235 Hill Street, Santa Monica CA 90405 - View flyer (pdf)

Monday, Dec. 9 at 6:30pm -- Oakland CA
Humanist Hall, 390 27th Street, Oakland CA 94612 - View flyer (pdf)

Wednesday, Dec. 11 at 7:00pm -- Seattle WA
University Temple United Methodist Church (Fireplace Room), 1415 NE 43rd St., Seattle WA 98105 - View flyer (pdf)

Events will include Q&A with Mr. Coombs, and a fund pitch by the Support Network to benefit Pvt. Manning's ongoing defense efforts, including pending legal appeals.

Oakland event is presented by Courage to Resist, with the support of the Bay Area Military Law Panel, Veterans for Peace-SF, War Resisters League-West, Project Censored and the Media Freedom Foundation, SF Women in Black, World Can't Wait-SF Bay, CodePink Women for Peace-East Bay & Golden Gate, OccupySF Action Council & Environmental Justice Working Group, OccupyForum, SF LGBT Pride Celebration Committee, Queer Strike, National Lawyers Guild-SF, and the Civilian-Soldier Alliance. $5-$10 donation requested at the door to cover event expenses. Wheelchair accessible. For more info, contact: Courage to Resist, 510-488-3559.

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Taters
26th November 2013, 19:38
I'm curious, ckaihatsu... when you post this sort of thing do you expect anyone here to sign it? Do you think these petitions will accomplish something?

ckaihatsu
26th November 2013, 19:54
I'm curious, ckaihatsu... when you post this sort of thing do you expect anyone here to sign it? Do you think these petitions will accomplish something?


This -- and anything like it -- is similar to the latest Kshama Sawant thread, which thoroughly dealt with whether backing reforms dilutes the revolutionary position, or not.

I *wish* we could just stick to the issues of our choosing, but the real world intervenes, regardless, and so our efforts have to deal with real-world issues, and people's lives in the present.

I hope this is enough of a response for you.

Taters
26th November 2013, 20:13
This -- and anything like it -- is similar to the latest Kshama Sawant thread, which thoroughly dealt with whether backing reforms dilutes the revolutionary position, or not.

I *wish* we could just stick to the issues of our choosing, but the real world intervenes, regardless, and so our efforts have to deal with real-world issues, and people's lives in the present.

I hope this is enough of a response for you.

It's not enough of a response, no. I don't see how signing an ineffectual petition is dealing "with real-world issues".

"Oh Mr. Judge, sir, could you, pretty please, let Manning go? I and many others would like it ever so much if you would."

ckaihatsu
26th November 2013, 20:19
It's not enough of a response, no. I don't see how signing an ineffectual petition is dealing "with real-word issues".

"Oh Mr. Judge, sir, could you, pretty please, let Manning go? I and many others would like it ever so much if you would."


Well, you obviously already have an opinion on this, so I doubt I'd be of any assistance to you at this point.

Futility Personified
26th November 2013, 20:53
Manning shouldn't be in the conditions she is in.... Petitions reek of submission, but aside from a prison break, what can really be done? With the revelations of recent years it is disheartening that there hasn't been some sort of uprising, but a petition is one hope, albeit a slim one. Her staying in that cell is going to lead to her becoming a martyr for.... what? There's nothing wrong with appealing for clemency for someone who has done the right thing.

Sea
26th November 2013, 22:59
This -- and anything like it -- is similar to the latest Kshama Sawant thread, which thoroughly dealt with whether backing reforms dilutes the revolutionary position, or not.

I *wish* we could just stick to the issues of our choosing, but the real world intervenes, regardless, and so our efforts have to deal with real-world issues, and people's lives in the present.

I hope this is enough of a response for you.Actually, this isn't like the Sawant shindig at all. Nobody has to count these signatures and nobody is obliged to do anything because of them. All it does is give them a list of names who are unhappy with the stuff that goes down. This shit is like letters to Santa, and it's clogging up the Ongoing Struggles forum pretty bad.


I'm curious, ckaihatsu... when you post this sort of thing do you expect anyone here to sign it? Do you think these petitions will accomplish something?I wonder if he actually signs the petitions himself.

ckaihatsu
27th November 2013, 21:37
Actually, this isn't like the Sawant shindig at all. Nobody has to count these signatures and nobody is obliged to do anything because of them. All it does is give them a list of names who are unhappy with the stuff that goes down. This shit is like letters to Santa, and it's clogging up the Ongoing Struggles forum pretty bad.


Okay, so basically it's typical ultraleft dismissiveness here....

Of *course* the signatures are going to be counted, and the result is politically significant.

I'll note that you're concerned about too many of these kinds of posts in Ongoing Struggles.





I wonder if he actually signs the petitions himself.


I do, for whatever that's worth to you.

Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
27th November 2013, 22:04
Politically significant to who? Why would the signatures of 2 or 300 people, who can't even be meaningfully verified as being real, separate human beings, be significant in any way to a state that violates it's own legal codes at will? This shit is delusional.

Skyhilist
27th November 2013, 22:23
Well, I signed it regardless.

Suppose it doesn't have any real world ramifications. Was it really that big of a deal that you spent a few seconds signing it?

The ones that do garner enough signatures in some cases have at least gotten some sort of a response occasionally. Is that likely? Probably not, but it's impossible to guarantee anything. So if it's only a few seconds of my time, why not? It's not like by signing a petition I'm not recognizing that more needs to be done as well.

ckaihatsu
27th November 2013, 22:43
Politically significant to who? Why would the signatures of 2 or 300 people, who can't even be meaningfully verified as being real, separate human beings, be significant in any way to a state that violates it's own legal codes at will? This shit is delusional.


Okay, so you're wholly dismissive of public political sentiment.

I'll note that it was an overwhelming outpouring of public outcry that kept Obama from bombing Syria with cruise missiles.

Taters
28th November 2013, 02:49
Okay, so you're wholly dismissive of public political sentiment.

I'll note that it was an overwhelming outpouring of public outcry that kept Obama from bombing Syria with cruise missiles.

Was it? I'll note that there were scores of loyal Democrats that approved the 'humanitarian intervention', and, in Congress, politicians were skeptical from the beginning, wondering if it would have the desired effect.


Well, I signed it regardless.

Suppose it doesn't have any real world ramifications. Was it really that big of a deal that you spent a few seconds signing it?

The ones that do garner enough signatures in some cases have at least gotten some sort of a response occasionally. Is that likely? Probably not, but it's impossible to guarantee anything. So if it's only a few seconds of my time, why not? It's not like by signing a petition I'm not recognizing that more needs to be done as well.

Why exert so much effort to sign it? Because, you say, we could get a response if enough people sign it, oh joy! We did it, they paid attention to us when they said 'no'!