Black leadership

[major tom]

With Martin Luther King Jr. day upon us, I thought I'd talk about black leadership. Well, let's be honest, there is no black leadership. No wonder the African American community is so fucked up. I'd be fucked up too if I followed these guys.

First we have the Rev. Al Sharpton. Get a load of this idiot. The only purpose he serves is to further tear democrats apart. This guy is a fucking joke, but the other candidates are so afraid of his color that they are terrified to speak against him. This guy made his career by dividing the races. Remember the Brawley episode where he falsely accused police men of raping a girl, sticking her in a trash can, and defecating on her? <_< What a fucking pig. He&#39;s even been caught on tape trying to make a cocaine deal back when he was younger. Yeah, that&#39;s a fucking pig I want to listen to.

Then we have Louis Farakhan. What a goddam joke this guy is. Hates Jews. Hates white people. Helped kill Malcolm X under the orders of the "Honorable" Elijah Muhommed. Again, another fool who makes his living by dividing the races. The last thing he wants is peace and harmony. Then he would no longer be able to tool around in his Rolls Royce. He might not eat pig, but he is one.

Last we have the Rev. Jesse Jackson, another confirmed anti-semite who used to spit in white people&#39;s food. Wow. That&#39;s a motherfucker I want to have power and prestige in America. What a fucking joke he is. Remember the "Hime town" comment? What&#39;s this pissant doing now. Extorting corporate America for his own personal gain. "Hey, Toyota, you better give me money, or I&#39;ll tell everyone you&#39;re a racist. You wouldn&#39;t want that, would you." Fucking asshole.

No wonder black kids are killing each other for pocket change. With leaders like this, what do you fucking expect but cocaine, hatred, violence, and ignorance. Here&#39;s an idea. Maybe those three ought to go out and get a real fucking job. That might help to set an example.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

The black leadership today is weak and corrupt.

[Hampton]

No wonder the African American community is so fucked up. I&#39;d be fucked up too if I followed these guys.

You blame a lack of leadership instead of the law makers, those who enforce the laws, and others with positions of power to determine the lives of kids in the street. Mistake #1. Leaders can only do so much to inspire people before they become a problem and are taken out, ask Dr. King and Malcolm. And what happened to the black leaders of the 60&#39;s and 70&#39;s? The government killed them all or locked them in prison of 50 years that they&#39;re rendered ineffective.

I&#39;m not even going to comment on these lazily put together personal attacks on these men. It&#39;s not even worth the effort to tell you the truth. I just want to know one thing in regards to what you call "black leadership". Why don&#39;t people talk about white leadership and how that&#39;s destroying white youth and white citizens in the country? Why single out one race? White kids don&#39;t sell drugs? White kids don&#39;t shoot each other and rob each other? I&#39;m not being held accountable for what "black leadership" does as the average white man/woman on the street doesn&#39;t have to justify what Bush is doing to the world.


No wonder black kids are killing each other for pocket change. With leaders like this, what do you fucking expect but cocaine, hatred, violence, and ignorance. Here&#39;s an idea. Maybe those three ought to go out and get a real fucking job. That might help to set an example.


Sorry uncle tom but this is bullshit and I smell it from a mile away. Try saying this instead becuase this is what you really mean:

No wonder those ghetto mother fuckers kill each other over a pair of shoes and a jacket, they&#39;re ignorant and uneducated drug addicts.

They don&#39;t need people who can deliver good speeches to help them, they need fathers and mothers to help develop a family which is getting harder and harder to do when one out of four black men are going to prison. With no father figures there is going to be crime and object poverty, until womyn get paid as much as a man would, it&#39;ll be that way. And it&#39;s not Al Sharpton&#39;s fault nor Louis, nor Jesse Jackson that they go to prison, it&#39;s the aforementioned powers that be that decide that.

You&#39;re not offering any real solutions and I doubt you&#39;re intrested in doing so, so for us all, shut up.

[major tom]

Hampton, you&#39;re so full of shit that you actually stink. There is no leadership in the black community. Sharpton, Farakan, and Jackson are scum. And what&#39;s all this bullshit about how the white leadership is keeping the black man down. Why don&#39;t I ever hear that same shit from the Chinese or the Eastern Europeans. Nobody had it easy when they first came to this country. It&#39;s time for the black community to get over it and stop blaming whitey for all their problems.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I don&#39;t agree with major tom&#39;s comments on the black community but he is right in saying that its leadership sucks.

[Hampton]

Hampton, you&#39;re so full of shit that you actually stink.

You&#39;re so cute when you get angry.


There is no leadership in the black community.

The National Urban League, Coalition of Black Trade Unionists, NAACP, National Council of Negro Women, Congressional Black Caucus, International People&#39;s Democratic Uhuru Movement, Zulu Nation. And your opinions of the 3 men are just that opinions, some people may think they make fine leaders and not listen to your personal attacks. The Nation of Islam does a lot of men and women a lot of good that you chose not to mention.


And what&#39;s all this bullshit about how the white leadership is keeping the black man down.

It&#39;s more classism than looking at it in a racial perspective. It just so happens that those who make the laws are of the same complexion which happens to be different than those who fill up jails. But you&#39;re right, George Bush putting a flowers on King&#39;s grave then appointing Charles Pickering Sr is a sign of love for minorities, not to mention all those black people he signed to death when he was Gov, not to mention the year before doing the same thing for Dr. King&#39;s Birthday then denouncing affirmative action.


Why don&#39;t I ever hear that same shit from the Chinese or the Eastern Europeans.

They weren&#39;t brought here as slaves with no rights to control their own lives. There wasn&#39;t a thought out code of laws that was made to purposely restrict their civil rights as human beings. But then again I could be wrong, I remember seeing all those "Eastern European Only" sings on the bathrooms in History class from 50 years ago.


Nobody had it easy when they first came to this country..

Especially when you&#39;re packed on a slave ship and sold at auction when you&#39;re boat of human cargo firsts lands at the dock. Some got to go to Ellis Island while another group gets to be sold for a couple of hundred dollars. Seems like a level playing field to me.


It&#39;s time for the black community to get over it and stop blaming whitey for all their problems.

I&#39;m not calling it "blaming whitey" you are, I blame those who make the laws, such as 3 strikes and 2 strikes and insane drug charges.

[Sabocat]

So I guess you are saying that the likes of Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, Trent Lott, David Duke and the rest of those racist pigs are good leadership? It&#39;s okay for them to espouse their white supremecist bullshit?

Is it okay for these guys to be openly racist?

You know the old saying...."let those without sin, cast the first stone", or "people that live in glass houses, shouldn&#39;t throw bricks".

These are openly racist politicians that blame every wrong in society on Blacks.

Your message is clear. We have to keep those upity Blacks in their place. Right?

shhh....
Can you hear it?

I hear the plaintive wail of a racist...

[redstar2000]

You give yourself away, Tommy, with this comment...


Nobody had it easy when they first came to this country. It&#39;s time for the black community to get over it and stop blaming whitey for all their problems.

When you say "blaming whitey", you mean blaming you.

I feel your pain. :lol:

"Major", eh? Did you serve under General Lee?

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[Saint-Just]

The ghettos in America have African-Americans and white people in. They have a disproportionately large number of Afr.-Am. in because they have been discriminated against for a long time and therefore remain poor.

The problem is not only racial discrimination but poverty. Discrimination towards Afr. Am. increases poverty in general since it means more unemployed and poorly educated individuals. If Afr. Am. had equality in the U.S. the U.S. would not have such great poverty and crime etc. Whites need more leaders committed to racial equality as well as Afr. Am. to improve the situation.

I think that in the American system tends not to be able to deal with the issue of Afr. Am. poverty, it does not have a system dedicated to welfare so much so that it may improve situation in these impoverished areas. These impoverished areas would not exist to such a widespread degree if there had been racial equality in America since the end of the civil war.

The U.S. states needs to make a conscious and public effort to apologise for slavery and for the lack of civil rights and equality for Afr. Am. following the abolition of slavery. Having done that they need to purge their society of racist elements and make fundamental reforms and allocate moneys into the poor communities.

No Afr. Am. leaders are needed to to this. The reality is that this will not happen and Afr. Am. will have to make it happen. I do not know about the situation in terms of Afr. Am. organisation in the U.S. or the history of Afr. Am. in the last 30 years.

[timbaly]

I must say major tom is correct in saying that the mainstream black leadership is terrible. It&#39;s profitable for them to keep their fellow black men down. They get many donations and have become millionaires in this business of helping other blacks. I really don&#39;t think the three men you mentioned have any ambition to truly make a difference, they just want to get more money. They like to fuel hatred against the white community, especially Sharpton who never apologized for his false accusations in the Brawley case. It seems like their ideas easily influence the black youth, in New York City they seem to be the most racist of all the races. They seem to learn that it&#39;s ok to blame common white people for all sorts of problems.

[Vinny Rafarino]

No. This cracker assed whiney little ***** is not even remotely correct Timbaly. Don&#39;t let the obvious flaws in these three examples allow you to give even the slightest amount of courtesy to this bastard. I&#39;m surprised this **** didn&#39;t pull Marion Barry out of his overfed, overprivleged, Polo Sport covered arse.


Fuck him.

[Y2A]

Nobody had it easy when they first came to this country. It&#39;s time for the black community to get over it and stop blaming whitey for all their problems.

I agree, and to prove that I am not some rich suburban kid I grew up in Newark,NJ so :P.

[lucid]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 19 2004, 04:16 PM
No. This cracker assed whiney little ***** is not even remotely correct Timbaly. Don&#39;t let the obvious flaws in these three examples allow you to give even the slightest amount of courtesy to this bastard. I&#39;m surprised this **** didn&#39;t pull Marion Barry out of his overfed, overprivleged, Polo Sport covered arse.


Fuck him.
Wow, with your attitude you should look into being a black leader. Your the kind of people they are looking for&#33;

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Wow, with your attitude you should look into being a black leader. Your the kind of people they are looking for&#33;

Thats fucking racist and steroetypical. The best black leader was Malocom X. I fear that the black community will never have such an honest, good, well meaning man, who actually got things done by any means necessary. His auto-biography should be required reading.

[Urban Rubble]

Is this a Stormfront invasion ?


Nobody had it easy when they first came to this country. It&#39;s time for the black community to get over it and stop blaming whitey for all their problems.


I agree, and to prove that I am not some rich suburban kid I grew up in Newark,NJ so .

Y2A, don&#39;t lower yourself to agreeing with this guy.

Hampton&#39;s point stands, no other group of people came to this country under such oppressive conditions. Chinese weren&#39;t brought in on boats where a third of them died. The Irish were&#39;nt captured from their homeland and sold into slavery.

Yes, most people did have it hard when they came here, but to say any minority had it as tough as blacks is not only a lie, it is an insult to the millions of blacks who suffered, and still suffer as a result of, the slave trade.

[Valishin]

I&#39;m not calling it "blaming whitey" you are, I blame those who make the laws, such as 3 strikes and 2 strikes and insane drug charges.
These are targeting people of any race how? Seems to me they target criminals regardless of race. Unless your suggesting that blacks are predisposed to become criminals.


So I guess you are saying that the likes of Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, Trent Lott, David Duke and the rest of those racist pigs are good leadership? It&#39;s okay for them to espouse their white supremecist bullshit
And when was the last time you heard such a statement from one of them?


These are openly racist politicians that blame every wrong in society on Blacks
Source please


Whites need more leaders committed to racial equality as well as Afr. Am. to improve the situation.
If your talking about AA based on economics then ok that&#39;s reasonable. But you yourself said there are whites and blacks in the ghettos.


Having done that they need to purge their society of racist elements and make fundamental reforms and allocate moneys into the poor communities
Freedom comes with the right to be a racist. What you don&#39;t have is the right to hinder someone else&#39;s right in the process.


Thats fucking racist and steroetypical. The best black leader was Malocom X
You might want to recall Malcom&#39;s history a bit before making that claim. He was closer to being a criminal than a leader. And being called anything short of a hate filled racist bastard is being nice. He is a good example of the problem not the solution. MLK Jr, now he can at least be respected for his intentions.


Hampton&#39;s point stands, no other group of people came to this country under such oppressive conditions.
And not one such person lives today.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Cracka&#33;

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[Hampton]

These are targeting people of any race how? Seems to me they target criminals regardless of race. Unless your suggesting that blacks are predisposed to become criminals.

Oh god, please, you honestly think the criminal justice sytem treats all equally? Over a million black men in jail why? They&#39;re all crimminals? Or is it that a system that has made being black a crime cares less about those in the ghetto than those who are not? Give me a reason please.


You might want to recall Malcom&#39;s history a bit before making that claim. He was closer to being a criminal than a leader. And being called anything short of a hate filled racist bastard is being nice. He is a good example of the problem not the solution. MLK Jr, now he can at least be respected for his intentions.


Read up on Malcolm before you said these stupid things. Malcolm was a crimminal why? Becuase he spend a year in prison when he was younger and then commited the rest of his life to fixing the problems of inequality for the rest of his life? Read his writings towards the end of his life to realize where he was going before he was murdered. But tell us why you love Martin instead. You love nonviolence? Think it&#39;s the best way to obtain freedom? Or just glad that those uppity negroes didn&#39;t pick up a gun every time a cop bashed their heads against the sidewalk when asking for justice becuase you know you would be shot?


And not one such person lives today.

The effects are still felt today. Redlining, gentrification, 1 out of 4 black men spend time in jail...

[Vinny Rafarino]

These are targeting people of any race how? Seems to me they target criminals regardless of race. Unless your suggesting that blacks are predisposed to become criminals.



I will suggest it then tough-guy.

When you grow up in the inner city going to pathetic schools where the teachers only care about punching a clock then find out that the only way a black person can get out of that ghetto is to hope you are "pro-athlete material" (&#39;cos blacks all need to be like Mike....Nike says so...) &#39;cos they were not able to learn shit from your scared shitless teachers.

You end up NOT being one of the .000003% of black people lucky enough to get accepted at an accredited University on a ball scholarship so you hump 40 hours a week doing telemarketing while you watch most of your mates get whacked or go to jail for pushing rock....occaisionally you see one or two mates hit the NBA or NFL. In place of keeping in contact with you, they marry a pretty white girl and do snapple ads.

Oh, if only I could have been 5 inches taller....


But you push on...No rock for you...you&#39;re gonna go to junior college and then transfer to University. 6 years and an MBA later, you lose job opportunity after job opportunity to white kids from the call centre division that hold only a G.E.D. but hell man....they sure got "leadership potential".....

But c&#39;mon man...working in the mailroom ain&#39;t bad...hey the black guy with the afro parted on the side from whatever that fucking commercial is for looks like he&#39;s having a blast you dig?


Christ...valishin, you are one blind cracker.



And when was the last time you heard such a statement from one of them?


I bring you to David Dukes statement on his website;

Welcome to the David Duke Report Online&#33;


I am currently an elected official of the Republican Party in Louisiana, serving as chairman of Republican Parish Executive Committee in the largest Republican Parish (county) in Louisiana. But, of course, my Republican position is not why the liberal media focuses a lot of hostile attention on me. That occurs because I dare to speak the unvarnished truth about race. My opponents allege to that simply telling the scientific truth about racial differences is "hate." I reject that biased accusation. In fact, I say that those who have pushed forced racial integration, busing, massive non-White immigration, and "affirmative action" have produced the real hatred in America that have made many of our once-gleaming cities into jungles of crime, addiction, poverty, and alienation.

Once you will navigate my site you will understand why this is my opinion. Any assertion that there are important racial differences is treated harshly by the media, and I know that it is difficult to challenge the powers that formulate public opinion. I may well challenge some of your most cherished beliefs, but I believe that most people are open-minded enough to look at both sides of every important issue facing our nation. In this site you will read and hear a anti-establishment point-of-view. If you are stimulated by new ideas and if you can think for yourself rather than simply accept what the media dishes out, I think you will find this site of interest.




Here&#39;s the link (http://www.duke.org/) to this bastard&#39;s site...Please tell me how "non racist" he is.

Dumbass.

If you think that Jesse Helms is not a racist then you are either being an asshole simply to break balls or are just plain dumb. As David Broder said; "What really sets Jesse Helms apart is that he is the last prominent unabashed white racist politician in this country"

Enough said kiddo.



Source please

Now I know you&#39;re just breaking balls.



Freedom comes with the right to be a racist. What you don&#39;t have is the right to hinder someone else&#39;s right in the process.


Good grief. Please don&#39;t breed.


MLK Jr, now he can at least be respected for his intentions.


So what you are really trying to say is that them negroes are okay in your book as long as they reamain on the back of the bus and don&#39;t get to uppity. you&#39;ve been had kid.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

You might want to recall Malcom&#39;s history a bit before making that claim. He was closer to being a criminal than a leader. And being called anything short of a hate filled racist bastard is being nice. He is a good example of the problem not the solution. MLK Jr, now he can at least be respected for his intentions.


Society would not give Malcom a chance.Just like any black person.I think its pretty fucking heroic what he did.And you,you are a great example of what is part of the problem.My solution?A few to the back of the head.Stop your racist bullshit.Go bow down before a picture of Hitler you bigot.

[major tom]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 19 2004, 04:16 PM
No. This cracker assed whiney little ***** is not even remotely correct Timbaly. Don&#39;t let the obvious flaws in these three examples allow you to give even the slightest amount of courtesy to this bastard. I&#39;m surprised this **** didn&#39;t pull Marion Barry out of his overfed, overprivleged, Polo Sport covered arse.


Fuck him.
Thanks for reminding me, you [EDITED]

Marion Barry? There&#39;s another great black leader. Caught smoking crack with his fingers up some prostitutes snatch. Yeah, that must be the white man&#39;s fault. And by the way, fuckhead, I don&#39;t own any polo shirts, and I have no wealth to speak of. Here&#39;s something that might surprise you. I actually have to work for a fucking living. Why don&#39;t you try it sometime?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Kiss kiss little one...


Are you ascaird of the truth. Just pull the woobie back over your head.


Please do not use terms like that in my forum kiddo. I will simply edit them out, assuming you&#39;re still around.

[major tom]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 20 2004, 05:39 AM
Kiss kiss little one...


Are you ascaird of the truth. Just pull the woobie back over your head.


Please do not use terms like that in my forum kiddo. I will simply edit them out, assuming you&#39;re still around.
Fuck you, you poncy asshole.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Pooh on you&#33;

[major tom]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 20 2004, 05:53 AM
Pooh on you&#33;
This guy is a moderator? <_< He&#39;s a real pro, ain&#39;t he? And he moved my anti-racism post to the trashcan section. What a complete fucking utter dickhead.

[Pete]

That thread wasn&#39;t antiracism, it was filled with it.

[Hampton]

Marion Barry? There&#39;s another great black leader. Caught smoking crack with his fingers up some prostitutes snatch.

Then there&#39;s that George W. Bush, the cocaine snorting drunk driver who made a girl get an abortion in 1970, but, Marion is much worse.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Then there&#39;s that George W. Bush, the cocaine snorting drunk driver who made a girl get an abortion in 1970, but, Marion is much worse.

Yeah,so true.Marion is a complete douche bag though.He&#39;s a laughing stock here in DC.I like Mayor Williams though.There&#39;s a decent black leader.