Marxism-Leninism itself is anti-Marxist

[waqob]

The development of the theory of Marxism-Leninism is based on extruciated feudal fascism which itself is a perplextion of human mind because fascism is anti-Marxist propaganda to control the workers and thus Joseph Stalin was a fascist propaganda.

[Remus Bleys]

feudal fascism lol
This is really confused. I suggest you read some Marx.

[Blake's Baby]

I think 'extruciated' is a really interesting word. What could it mean? Excruciatingly extruded, perhaps? Or taken out of a truck, maybe? Perhaps we shall never know, but I do wonder these things.

Can 'feudal fascism' (whatever that is) be very painfiully stretched out (painful for it, of course)? Conversely, can it be taken from a truck? The later seems unlikely, but the former hardly seems more likely.

Perhaps I need to go on trying to divine a meaning.

[Anti-Traditional]

I think 'extruciated' is a really interesting word. What could it mean? Excruciatingly extruded, perhaps? Or taken out of a truck, maybe? Perhaps we shall never know, but I do wonder these things.

Can 'feudal fascism' (whatever that is) be very painfiully stretched out (painful for it, of course)? Conversely, can it be taken from a truck? The later seems unlikely, but the former hardly seems more likely.

Perhaps I need to go on trying to divine a meaning.

For all we know they could be onto something that is so profound that none of us can understand :grin:

Not many posts on RevLeft make me smile, but this one did.

[Yuppie Grinder]

The development of the theory of Marxism-Leninism is based on extruciated feudal fascism which itself is a perplextion of human mind because fascism is anti-Marxist propaganda to control the workers and thus Joseph Stalin was a fascist propaganda.

yo dog i don't fuck with stalin on any level but this is sorta unclear writing

[BIXX]

Joseph Stalin was a fascist propaganda.

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New sig coming right up.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

I wonder what kind of weird existential crisis Stalin must have had when he found out that he was in fact a fascist propaganda. Maybe that's what made him such a dick. I know I wouldn't want to be a propaganda, let alone a fascist one. Perhaps his human mind was perplextied by all that feudal fascism in Russia at the time.

[TheSocialistMetalhead]

Enough pseudo-theoretical mumbo jumbo. Time for pseudo-theoretical mumbo jumbo!:laugh:

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

at least he had a cool 'stasche i guess

[Tolstoy]

Cool story bruh

[CyM]

Comrades, while I agree with you that the original post was unclear, this is an unhelpful way of addressing it.

If a worker comes on here to ask us questions for example, a worker who works 45 or 50 hour weeks and has not had time to "read some Marx", his first blind reaching towards some sort of explanation of what is going on in the world will be quite jumbled up of course.

If we react the way you all have here, we're going to turn people off from trying to find answers.

[Comrade Jacob]

By 'eck, every day there is a similar thread.
Blah, blah Marxism-Leninism is a fake term made up by the fascist-propaganda-Stalin.
I like how you jumped to the idea of Marxism-Leninism as being "excruciated feudal fascism" or could that be you just tossing words around...

Yes, Marxism-Leninism = Stalinism = "socialism in one country" theory.
Not, Marxism-Leninism = Stalinism = excruciated feudal fascism

You whine at people for using the term Marxism-Leninism because it "doesn't" represent Marx or Lenin. Yet you find no problem throwing around the term "Stalinism".


EDIT: And yes, I will keep bringing up what "Stalinism" is because the word is so harshly abused.

[Magic Carpets Corp.]

OP is a genius. I sense a future admin.

[Remus Bleys]

OP is a genius. I sense a future admin.
All he needs to do is join the CWI.

[bluemangroup]

The development of the theory of Marxism-Leninism is based on extruciated feudal fascism which itself is a perplextion of human mind because fascism is anti-Marxist propaganda to control the workers and thus Joseph Stalin was a fascist propaganda.

To quote Stalin himself:


Leninism grew up and took shape under the conditions of imperialism, when the contradictions of capitalism had reached an extreme point, when the proletarian revolution had become an immediate practical question, when the old period of preparation of the working class for revolution had arrived at and passed into a new period, that of direct assault on capitalism.

-Taken from chapter one of his Foundations of Leninism

Putting it into historical context, it can be said that Marxism-Leninism started not with Stalin but with the crisis of the Second International. The Second International, by 1919 when the Third (Communist) International was formed to replace it, was considered not only bankrupt politically but moribund - dead.

The imperialism that Stalin is referencing was the same imperialism that Lenin was analyzing in his influential booklet Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism, chiefly the imperialism of the British, French, Germans, etc. which in turn led to the so-called great imperialist slaughter that was the First World War.

The proletarian revolution had become integral at this point (esp. in Russia) because of the mass devastation caused by the Great War. By 1918, let alone 1919 or 1923, Germany was on the brink of revolution repeatedly. Communist parties were sprouting like mushrooms across Europe both in central Europe wherein the war had most affected the populace and in western Europe (France and Britain, despite triumphing in the war, still faced many instances of unrest). The Third Communist International served as a unified meeting place for foreign communist parties from around the world.

The OP's obvious trolling aside, its clear that Marxism-Leninism grew out of the experience of the war and the bankruptcy of the old Second International.

That being said, its ridiculous to assume that Marxism-Leninism is somehow based on "feudal fascism" or that Joseph Stalin was (somehow) a fascist.

Marxism-Leninism was the antitheses of feudalism, as under Stalin the Soviets sought to create a socialist agriculture through collectivization (something which Lenin repeatedly urged in his writings during the civil war but which he never got to see implemented due to the New Economic Policy's compensation with the petty-bourgeois peasantry and the free market) which was meant to finally settle with the kulaks and the petty-bourgeois nature of the Soviet peasantry.

Otherwise, lets see such a ludicrous statement for what it is: trolling, or something very close to it.

[servusmoderni]

The development of the theory of Marxism-Leninism is based on extruciated feudal fascism which itself is a perplextion of human mind because fascism is anti-Marxist propaganda to control the workers and thus Joseph Stalin was a fascist propaganda.

Feudal Fascism lol. :laugh:

Never go full retard. :lol:

[Radio Spartacus]

Feudal Fascism lol. :laugh:

Never go full retard. :lol:

Never go full disgustingly prejudicial language

[servusmoderni]

Never go full disgustingly prejudicial language

It's a citation, thus I do not take responsibility for the words that were reported earlier today. Thanks, Free Speech Police.

[Radio Spartacus]

It's a citation, thus I do not take responsibility for the words that were reported earlier today. Thanks, Free Speech Police.

A citation? What? Free speech is a legal protection, not an ethical protection. Morals aside, good luck changing the social order while simultaneously ignoring its prejudices

If you'd like to continue our discussion on this start a thread on why you think it's okay, I don't want to make this mess of a thread worse

[Bostana]

http://pinkdomo.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/confused-meme.jpg#confused%20meme

[servusmoderni]

Well said, Archer!

[CyM]

Two things:

1. I will be moving this to the learning forum.
2. Any further 1 liner answers will result in an infraction, as will any posts making fun of the OP in an unhelpful manner. You are required to explain to the poster, not simply stroke your ego about knowing more. Behaviour in this thread is disgraceful.

[Magic Carpets Corp.]

Two things:

1. I will be moving this to the learning forum.
2. Any further 1 liner answers will result in an infraction, as will any posts making fun of the OP in an unhelpful manner. You are required to explain to the poster, not simply stroke your ego about knowing more. Behaviour in this thread is disgraceful.
Apologies for retarding the progress of the revolution by not taking an obvious troll OP seriously, powerful one. Do your fucking job and trash this joke thread. Or is moderation not your job?

[Sea]

Joseph Stalin was a fascist propaganda.Eh, Joseph Stalin was a lotta things.
Comrades, while I agree with you that the original post was unclear, this is an unhelpful way of addressing it.

If a worker comes on here to ask us questions for example, a worker who works 45 or 50 hour weeks and has not had time to "read some Marx", his first blind reaching towards some sort of explanation of what is going on in the world will be quite jumbled up of course.

If we react the way you all have here, we're going to turn people off from trying to find answers.The OP seems to know what feudalism and fascism are though, so I don't think this is a problem.
Two things:

1. I will be moving this to the learning forum.
2. Any further 1 liner answers will result in an infraction, as will any posts making fun of the OP in an unhelpful manner. You are required to explain to the poster, not simply stroke your ego about knowing more. Behaviour in this thread is disgraceful.The OP clearly purports to know enough about Stalin to make a judgement, and to assert this judgement as truth. The post has no questions, it has no invitation to discussion. From these things we can conclude that the OP has no interest in learning, so don't expect people to treat it as if it did.