friedrich nietzche

[Sheep]

has anyone read him? if so did you like it?

[toastedmonkey]

kitten says "yes."

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

I have read most of his works, been reading Nietzsche for over two years now so I guess I 'like him'.

Well worth reading if its a recommendation you are looking for, check out Human, All to Human for a wide range of his thought, if you enjoy buy Kauffman's Portable Nietzsche.

[fallenmonk]

keep reading him if you want to become something more than you are. Nietzsche destroyed what i once thought of as real, he reshaped my mind into something better, stronger. I highly recommend "Beyond Good and Evil" and "The Antichrist" and hope you will find his words/ideas as powerful as I have. I would also suggest Ayn Rand for future reading.

[iloveatomickitten]

Ayn Rand&#33; <_<

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Ewww&#33;

If you liek Nietzsche you may find the existensialists interesting for example Sartre, Camus, Heidegger and maybe even Kierkegaard.

And every budding philosophy should read Kant, its the basis in my opinion for all modern philsophy.

[Trissy]

Of all his works I enjoy reading &#39;Human, All too Human&#39; and &#39;The Gay Science&#39; most of all. I agree that the the existentialist philosophers are worth reading along with Nietszche, and I also think that reading some Schopenhauer is worthwhile because his work is what attracted Nietzsche from philology to philosophy. It is also interesting to note how Nietzsche later came to reject Schopenhauer&#39;s philosophy in his later works...

I&#39;ve tried reading Kant but I never seem to get that far because of my dislike of his Categorical Imperative. That said his work did inspire both Hegel and Schopenhauer so he is a giant in the history of philosophy.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

A good guide to the Critique of Pure Reason is Sebastian Gardner&#39;s &#39;Kant and the Critique of Pure Reason&#39;.

I really think every one should understand at least basic Kant if they have an interest in philosophy.

Schopeneaur began to interest me again when I came across his Studies in Pessimism in the library the idea.

[Wenty]

I agree with Geist, but would lean towards Descartes as the founder of modern philosophy.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

I would view some of Descartes ideas as being tainted with some medieval philosophy whereas with Kant there is a complete break from medieval philosophy into a modern philosophy. Though they both easily can be considered parent of modern philosophy.

My question is who is the mother?

[Trissy]

It is quite a nice surprise to find Kant was quite dismissive of organised religion despite holding rational beliefs in a God. As for the mother of modern philosophy my own view would be Mary Wollstonecraft since she was perhaps an &#39;untimely woman&#39;.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Kant - "dare to think&#33;"

it&#39;d only be fitting he&#39;d oppose organised religion. He was all about the individual thinking for themselves vs. a collective conscious.

[Rasta Sapian]

nietzches works especially Superman, had a part of inspiring Adoft Hitler in his beleif of a pure elitest race to rule over other races, ie.ethnic cleansing. I know that friedrich did have this fascist overthrough in mind, however, can anyone explain to me, some of the concepts in the book Superman, that might have gave rise to the ideals of the 3rd reicht. :huh:

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by Rasta [email protected] 25 2004, 10:41 AM
nietzches works especially Superman, had a part of inspiring Adoft Hitler in his beleif of a pure elitest race to rule over other races, ie.ethnic cleansing. I know that friedrich did have this fascist overthrough in mind, however, can anyone explain to me, some of the concepts in the book Superman, that might have gave rise to the ideals of the 3rd reicht. :huh:
Bullshit, Nietzsche despised anti-semites, read some of his works yourself rather than get third hand opinions that he was a nazi etc.


Superman, according to Nietzsche has reached a state of being where he is no longer affected by "pity, suffering, tolerence of the weak, the power of the soul over the body, the belief in an afterlife, the corruption of modern values (Nietzsche&#39;s Overman: Blueprint for the Antichrist Superstar)." Superman is constantly changing and in a state of rebirth and growth. He determines what is good and what is evil, not allowing religion or society to determine these things for him. The Superman finds his happiness in this way. He uses a reason that is independent of the modern values of society or religion. He determines his own values. This creation of his own values gives him joy, and in order for the Superman to cope with a changing world, the Superman must constantly change. This constant state of change is a constant source of joy, leaving little or no room for suffering. The Superman does not believe in an afterlife or the power of the soul over the body because he does not believe in religion and has no proof of an afterlife or a God. Therefore, he makes the most out of this life, not depending on a reward in Heaven or a punishment in Hell for what he has done on Earth. The Superman does not pity or tolerate the weak. He feels that human compassion is the greatest weakness of all because it allows the weak to restrict the growth of the strong. In Thus Spake Zarathustra, Nietzsche, through Zarathustra, says "I teach you the overman. Man is something that shall be overcome [surpassed]. What have you done to overcome [surpass] him? All beings so far have created something beyond themselves; and do you want to be the ebb of this great flood and even go back to the beasts rather than overcome man? What is the ape to man? A laughingstock or a painful embarrassment. And man shall be just that for the overman: a laughingstock or a painful embarrassment

[Trissy]

Very well put. Nietzsche ill gained reputation as the philosopher of the Nazi party is mostly down to the shameful work of his sister Elisabeth Forster-Nietzsche, the book the Will to Power, and his early friendship with Richard Wagner (who was a nationalist and an anti-semite). The Will to Power was a book made by his sister from a set of Nietzsche&#39;s late notebooks and although he did plan to publish a book called the Will to Power, he abandoned this project before his insanity and later death. His sister was the anti-semite and she edited his notebooks and published it after his death. She even made his work appealing to the Nazi party when it rose to power (as well as making is appear as if she was closer and more influential in her brother&#39;s work). This is why Nietzsche has taken longer to make an impact on western thinking then the other thinkers of the 19th century (such as Kierkegaard, Marx and Freud).

If you read his unconventional autobiography &#39;Ecce Homo&#39; then he seems to have had an inclining of what might become of his work


I have a terrible fear that one day I will be pronounced holy: you will guess why I publish this book before, it shall prevent people from doing mischief with me - Why I am destiny, Ecce Homo

[STI]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 07:34 PM
My question is who is the mother?
Either Mary Wollstonecraft or Simone de Beauvoir, though the later is much more modern. She died in 1986, if I&#39;m not mistaken. So I guess Mary takes the title, though her philosophy really didn&#39;t deviate beyond political/social philosophy. It would have been cool if there were more womyn philosophers, though.

[viva el che]

[QUOTE]God is dead&#39;and we murdered him

yes he is ahead of his time .he lived a tortured life and died as he was in life alone or as far as im concerned





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[Wenty]

don&#39;t u just hate it when people write random posts that have more or less nothing to do with what we were talking about.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Yup you get it a lot here especially with regards to the whole Rasta 15 year old syndrom that runs riot on good threads.

By the way how did you change your name, didnt you have comrade wenty?