Shouls Sin Fien get seats in the house of Commons?

[Mclaren]

Should sin fain get seat in the house of commons without swearing an oath to the queen?

[socialistEUROPEAN]

Screw the Queen! She is a symbol of the monarchy, years of oppressive control, religious lies, persecution, slavery, colonialism, etc. Get a rid of the old bag

[Mclaren]

YOURE A REPUBLCAN ARN'T YOU SOCILAISMEUROPE

[libereco]

remember when hitler made the army swear an oath to him?

the parlament should not have to swear an oath to anyone but the people.

[Moskitto]

The members of Sein Fein are actually Irish Citizens (yes Irish Citizens can stand for the commons.) Since the Irish head of state is not the Queen it is obsurd to make them swear an oath to someone who isn't their head of state.

This is before we move onto anything about Republicanism.

[revolutionary spirit]

gerry adams is in havanna with castro,having ''talks''

[Freiheit]

i am against:

- the queen
- common wealth (canada is unfortunately part of it)
- british imperialism
- existing british 'colonies'

[Son of Scargill]

Sinn Fein MP's already have their seats in the Commons,but they're not allowed to represent their constituents due to their refusal to swear the oath of allegiance.I'm with libereco on this one.The people who voted them in knew of their stance on the swearing of the oath,and have sent a mandate to the House of Commons that they do not want domination from London either.But their views and wishes are being ignored.The only allegiance MP's should have is to the people who voted them in,not to an archaic monarchy or corporate vested interests.

[ArgueEverything]

Quote: from Moskitto on 10:41 pm on Dec. 18, 2001
The members of Sein Fein are actually Irish Citizens (yes Irish Citizens can stand for the commons.) Since the Irish head of state is not the Queen it is obsurd to make them swear an oath to someone who isn't their head of state.



arent IRA members from northern ireland, which is british territory, making them brit citizens?

[Son of Scargill]

Only if they have a British passport.They are entitled to apply for Irish citizenship,which I'm sure they will have done.But I could be wrong,as I can't say that I've ever seen Martin McGuiness's passport.

Or Gerry Adams's


But I have seen the President of Iceland's passport..............and guess what?????He's Icelandic.Now that I can vouch for.

(Edited by Son of Scargill at 10:22 am on Dec. 19, 2001)


(Edited by Son of Scargill at 10:41 am on Dec. 19, 2001)

[Conghaileach]

Since the first maps of Europe were drawn Ireland has always been referred to as a separate entity from Britain. If you're from anywhere on the entire island of Ireland then you're Irish.

[Conghaileach]

I couldn't personally care less if Sinn Fein take their seats in the Commons. They've already done enough work for the British government by sitting in Stormont.

[RedCeltic]

Does the UK really have such an opressive requirement as to expect mp's to swear an oath to the Monarchy? It's like ensuring that the monarchy will always remain. How can one be a Socialist and support a symbol of aristocracy?

[Moskitto]

It's true, If you read a British passport you're a "Subject" not a "Citizen" which people think makes no difference. In reality, it means you are technically the property of the crown although she doesn't exercise it.

annother thing is, we could be described as a "one party state that you can remove every 5 years" because our political system is so screwed by party whips and first past the post voting that which ever party is in power can do what they like.

The only good thing about the queen is it stops them turning it into a one party state properly.

You can also be arrested indefinately for being a foreign national under anti-terrorist legislation even if you haven't got a criminal record. Infact some people near me have been arrested.

[CommieBastard]

Does it really matter if they're irish or british or fucking martians?
all sentient beings deserve equal treatment, and it doesnt matter whether we've got our own warped capitalist non-democratic system to call our own, arguing the toss about nationality does NOTHING for the cause of socialism, and anyone who claims different is just a myopic fool.

NATIONS ARE AN ILLUSION USED TO DIVIDE THE WORKING CLASSES.

[Conghaileach]

Apparently Tony Blair was afraid to reintroduce internment in the Six Counties, because he knew what kind of reaction it would draw from the Nationalist community.

If it had been brought back in the North, I can honestly tell you that once again it would have once again been innocents Nationalists who'd be the victims of this policy.

So it was only introduced in England, Scotland and Wales. Just shows how much of a farce it is anyway - if it really is anti-terrorism bill but they won't risk bring it into the North.

[CommieBastard]

NI has as much of a devolved power as wales and scotland

[ArgueEverything]

Quote: from Son of Scargill on 10:20 am on Dec. 19, 2001
Only if they have a British passport.They are entitled to apply for Irish citizenship,which I'm sure they will have done.But I could be wrong,as I can't say that I've ever seen Martin McGuiness's passport.

Or Gerry Adams's




ah. thx for the clarification. i wasnt aware that they could seek irish citizenship.

if they take irish citizenship, can they vote in both irish and british elections?