The Nine Satanic Statements

[Sinister Intents]

Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!


What are the leftist opinions of The Nine Satanic Statements?
I personally disagree with satanic philosophy, and I am not a satanist despite my avatar being that of a Baphomet.

[RedSunrise]

I find it very disturbing... Disagree is a fine description.

I would also say the "leftist" opinion would be an almost direct contridiction to these:

4. The major point of the left is to help everyone not be an a** :lol:

[Thirsty Crow]

These are way too abstract - meaning, not elaborated in the context of social criticism - to pronounce any easy judgement.

For instance, point no 1 is perfectly fine with me in a very specific context. Point 2 as well. And if I might add, point 9 directly undermines and pretense of philosophical and/or spiritual opposition to mainstream religious moral ideology.

[Slavic]

I've never fully understood the satanic religion. Do they accept the legitimacy of Abrahamic religions but focus their attention on the fallen angel? Or is satanism something that can be separated from Abrahamic religions? I always thought that the worship of Satan nessecitates the existence of God and probably the Abrahamic mythos as well.

[Comrade Jacob]

4 sounds like angsty-teen shit.

[RedMoslem]

Sick.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

4 sounds like angsty-teen shit.

It all sounds like angsty-teen shit.

Shaytan is bad mmmmkay, we shouldn't really be trying to court the king of the underworld, mmkay, especially in his angsty Goth teen form, his power level exceeds 9,000 at the point, that's bad, mmmkay.

[bcbm]

satan is cool, these are pretty lame though.

[Sinister Intents]

I've never fully understood the satanic religion. Do they accept the legitimacy of Abrahamic religions but focus their attention on the fallen angel? Or is satanism something that can be separated from Abrahamic religions? I always thought that the worship of Satan nessecitates the existence of God and probably the Abrahamic mythos as well.

Of the satanists I've met and readings on the church of Satan's website, they see satanism as a philosophy rather than a religion. They see their philosophy as one that benefits the self sand therefore you can hold whatever political or religious view you want, so potentially you could be a Christian Satanist if Christianity suits your needs. Most satanists view Satan or the fallen angel as a symbol of their own egotistical interpretation. Satanists can be separated from the abrahamic faiths but some are just atheists who could care less about religion and others are antitheists. You don't need to believe in god, gods, or Satan to be a satanist because that would be your choice to believe in god, gods, or lack of god and Satan. There are also satanic leftists.
http://satanicleft.weebly.com/

Church of Satan FAQ:
http://www.churchofsatan.com/frequently-asked-questions.php (http://www.churchofsatan.com/frequently-asked-questions.php)

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

satan is cool, these are pretty lame though.

Idunno, in a lot of forms he seems pretty lame, neurotic, whiney and weak. A mysterious desert Deity seems was more badass given the records.

[Red_Banner]

Who would win in a fight though?

Satan or Thor?

I think Thor would win. :grin:

[Sinister Intents]

Who would win in a fight though?

Satan or Thor?

I think Thor would win. :grin:

Thor ithout a doubt. Let's keep more serious debate and discussion though.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

Apparently every time I've had to deal with an edgy internet tough-guy I've actually been dealing with a manifestation of the prince of darkness. Who knew?

[Sea]

These statements suppose that there is a satan in the first place. Any materialist would disagree.

If you can show us that satan exists, maybe we can interview him as to the truth of these statements. Until then, no.

[Luc]

These statements suppose that there is a satan in the first place. Any materialist would disagree.

not really, 'cos LaVey's concept of Satan here is not a supernatural being but a "symbol" for lack of a better word. which is why he is repeatedly saying "represents".

the worship of Satan in this case is an elevation of qualities deemed admirable by LaVey & co.

[LiamChe]

Laveyan Satanism is just Right-Wing Libertarianism with Pentagrams. Personally I find Occultism and Luciferianism more interesting, but I don't seriously believe in any of that stuff. Both Satan and God are Bourgeoisie abstractions.

[Os Cangaceiros]

IIRC the inspiration LaVey took for his positions came from a hodgepodge of sources including Ayn Rand, "Ragnar Redbeard" and a few others.

[Ele'ill]

Walter O'dim is way cooler than satan

[Was tun, wenn's brennt?]

The philosophy of Satanism can hardly be judged on the 9SS alone. Anyone who tries to claim a political bend to Satanism is talking out their ass. It is stated in The Satanic Bible, in no uncertain terms, that a person's decision to affiliate with any political party (or none at all) is exactly that: the decision of the person. It is also an atheistic philosophy so those who try and equate it with devil-worship (inverted Christianity) are, once again, talking out their ass.

Edit: wanted to address a few things said in this thread directly:



4. The major point of the left is to help everyone not be an a**
Let's revisit what it says, "Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!" What about not wanting to show love, respect, kindness etc for someone who would completely treat them like shit makes a person an ass?



These are way too abstract - meaning, not elaborated in the context of social criticism - to pronounce any easy judgement.
For instance, point no 1 is perfectly fine with me in a very specific context. Point 2 as well. And if I might add, point 9 directly undermines and pretense of philosophical and/or spiritual opposition to mainstream religious moral ideology.

They are only abstract when taken, like the OP, in abstract. The Nine Satanic Statements appear at the beginning of the Satanic Bible wherein these statements are elaborated on.

1. "Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!"
One of the central concepts of Christianity is to deny our human nature, deny ourselves; pleasure is often seen as a bad thing and we are expected to abstain from "sin" (gratification) in order to get in god's good graces and get into heaven. The Satanist spits upon this concept for the life-denying ethic that it is.

9. "Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!"
This one is more tongue-in-cheek than anything. But this is also playing off the scare-tactic used by churches (starting in the 1600's and continuing today) where Satan is used to, literally, scare people into pews.


These statements suppose that there is a satan in the first place. Any materialist would disagree.

Only to the ignorant. Satanism is an atheist/materialist philosophy. "Satan" here is merely an archetype not an actual being or entity deserving or worship or praise.

[Sabot Cat]

I'm not a fan of LaVeyan Satanism for many reasons, primarily because it's a self-aggrandizing use of negatively received superstitious symbols that serves as the vehicle of a vacuous program of subordinate self-aggrandizement in the guise of Nietzschean independence of thought.

[Rafiq]

Satanists are not so different from most radicals today, they negatively supplement Christian ideology, they sustain the existence of Christian ideology by depending upon it in order to exist as a negative entity.

In this same way, most radicals negatively supplement bourgeois ideology and sustain it's existence constantly with their rhetoric and logic. Only when Communists begin to engage in utilizing affirmative logic through political struggle can they truly be opposed to the ruling class.

[Rafiq]

From what I see, Satanists take concepts and ideological components of Christianity that have helped bring about the same western civilization that brought us Marxism (and Anarchism) and viciously ridicule them. Christianity on a basic level is a bunch of worthless trash like any other religion, but it represented a radical break that for the first time gave the basis for atheism to exist, Christianity was the first religion to recognize there are no gods. To abandon that form of logic which has silently been with us throughout the centuries is reactionary.

[adipocere]

Well...it still makes sense when you replace one word.



Capitalism represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
Capitalism represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
Capitalism represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
Capitalism represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
Capitalism represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
Capitalism represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
Capitalism represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
Capitalism represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
Capitalism has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

[Bostana]

Shaytan is bad mmmmkay, we shouldn't really be trying to court the king of the underworld, mmkay, especially in his angsty Goth teen form, his power level exceeds 9,000 at the point, that's bad, mmmkay.

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had to

[Zealot]

Satanism is an absurd Ayn Randist, Social Darwinist, neo-Fascistic religion that has no place in radical politics. Their founder advocated a police state and one of the "high priests" has advocated an institutionalised "elite police force, of men and women in peak physical and mental condition, trained in advanced techniques of crime fighting who would be truly equipped to handle the vermin that make so many of our cities into little more than concrete jungles" who must also "be put to some use, perhaps as forced labor".

He also explicitly advocated social darwinist policies: "The principle of the survival of the strong is advocated on all levels of society, from allowing an individual to stand or fall, to even letting those nations that cannot handle themselves take the consequences of this inability... Practical application of this doctrine would see the complete cessation of the welfare system, an end to no-strings attached foreign aid and new programs to award and encourage gifted individuals in all fields to pursue personal excellence."

So as you can see Satanism is also a right-wing political philosophy that borders on fascism and is basically a social club for right-wing atheists trying to be edgy.

Source: http://www.churchofsatan.com/satanism-the-feared-religion.php

[Comrade Samuel]

Meh, I've never met a Satanist before so I'm no expert but to be honest the whole belief system seems to scream "I'm being contrary purely for the sake of being contrary!"

If the Christian claims that it's good to be good and to belive in god then inevitably there will always be a few hipsters who claim it's good to be bad and to belive in Satan.

[bcbm]

i think having a 'religious' satanism is pretty lame, as most religion is, but being like 'hail satan!' at shows and spraypainting pentagrams on churches and having weird drunken rituals in cemeteries is alright

[JPSartre12]

I think that it should be noted that there is a significant philosophic difference between Satanism and Luciferianism, and that it's not necessarily appropriate to equate one with the other.

As a born-again evangelical Christian (yes, this is completely compatible vis-à-vis Marxism, because original Christianity is profoundly revolution and egalitarian), I think it's important to note that Luciferianism has a much more solid philosophic grounding than Satanism. That being said, I'm not necessarily a proponent of either.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

yes, this is completely compatible vis-à-vis Marxism, because original Christianity is profoundly revolution and egalitarian

Christianity was profoundly a revolutionary force within the Roman Empire. Whether it was progressive or egalitarian, I doubt. E.g. The teutonic knights, ambassadors of Christ through Europe, basically ravaged all of the non-dynastic countries in Europe, killed all the non-christians, instilled hereditary monarchies and shattered political systems.

[JPSartre12]

Christianity was profoundly a revolutionary force within the Roman Empire. Whether it was progressive or egalitarian, I doubt.

I'm not referring to the manifestations of "Christianity" that arose during (or, probably, "more appropriately during", or even "after the"), the Roman Empire, but rather the teachings of Jesus as an anthropologic figure. What he spoke was profoundly anti-establishment; to argue otherwise is ridiculous, although I'll grant you that his words (and the "interpretations" of his words) have been principally contradictorily.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

Meh, I think LaVey and his ilk are not very interesting; the 'statements' listed are pretty vague and read like they were written by an adolescent trying to piss of their fundie parents.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I'm not a fan of LaVeyan Satanism for many reasons, primarily because it's a self-aggrandizing use of negatively received superstitious symbols that serves as the vehicle of a vacuous program of subordinate self-aggrandizement in the guise of Nietzschean independence of thought.

Oh snap, that's some shit.

[WilliamGreen]

4 sounds like angsty-teen shit.

Amen

It's to narrow minded.

A real man or woman doesn't narrow themselves to bullet form propositions they bravely explore life and the world around them in full fashion ;)

[Orange Juche]

What are the leftist opinions of The Nine Satanic Statements?
I personally disagree with satanic philosophy, and I am not a satanist despite my avatar being that of a Baphomet.

LaVey, who came up with the Nine Satanic Statements, said this about his Church of Satan: "I give people Ayn Rand with trappings"

And that about sums it up.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

i've seen a few threads about satanism on here and can only assume that certain people have flirted with it for the same angsty reasons they flirt(ed) with ideas about revolution. being a rebel is attractive but if you're looking to satanism to revolt then you're looking in the wrong place. many of us rebel because we have to, some people do it because its cool. have a conversation with two western teenage males, one wearing a t-shirt with a pentagram, the other with che guevara and you'll probably find that they're both pissed off about the same things and looking for a way to hit back.

on a theoretical and moral level, its stupid, adolescent and above all, contrary to the core principles of the left (the main one being compassion for others!).

to those suggesting that its not political, please learn that any ideology is political and represents political ideals, in this case, individualistic capitalism with socially libertarian elements (not in a good way).

we can have liberty and look after one another, in fact, its easier to be free, creative and cool when society has your back. this was what marx was on about. its difficult to be free in a dog-eat-dog world because sometimes, you need society's help. what does a 'satanist' do with the sick, elderly, youngsters and other 'weaker' members of society?

[Tolstoy]

I absolutely support Niezchean thought on a personal level and definitely support his ideas regarding the ubermensch and mans will and all, however Laveyan Stanism is closer to Randian Objectivism than anything Nieztche ever wrote

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Leaving aside the gussied-up Objectivism discussed in the OP...

I might have mentioned this before, but I admit that I like the idea of conceiving Satan as a kind of prototypical rebel, almost a primordial anarchist if you will. Think about it; this being has the balls to rebel against the ruler of the universe, taking a third of the Heavenly host with him. That level of support says to me that notions of Satan being some evilly ambitious Prince of Darkness are little more than propaganda from those still faithful to Jehovah. As for the so-called prophesies that predict the victory of Heaven, that's just more celestial propaganda. The future is as of yet unwritten (Or alternatively, Satan rebels against Jehovah even though he knows he will lose, because he'd rather do what is right by the universe, rather than fall in line with a psychotically jealous megalomaniac).

Plus, the colours often associated with Satan are red and black. ;)

Hail Satan!

[Flying Purple People Eater]

I'm not referring to the manifestations of "Christianity" that arose during (or, probably, "more appropriately during", or even "after the"), the Roman Empire, but rather the teachings of Jesus as an anthropologic figure. What he spoke was profoundly anti-establishment; to argue otherwise is ridiculous, although I'll grant you that his words (and the "interpretations" of his words) have been principally contradictorily.

Jesus taught adherence to the Old Testament, submission to slavery, death to those who did not listen to him (including whole villages), indifference to rich landowners and sentencing Fig trees that do not magically bear figs for you to death.

He is also apparently both god and his own son, which would make him even more of an arsehole.

But yeah, I'll concede that he was part of a major revolutionary force against the Roman Empire, that is undeniable.

I totally agree with NoXion. If we rip away at the falsifying fabric of thinking of the Christian god as a being of good and love, the Devil almost becomes the hero of the story, with genocide baby-murder rape slavery hebrew-supremacist omnipotent hypocrite sadist god becomes the universes' biggest dickhead. I'd think it'd be brilliant if someone rewrote an alternative account of the Bible storyline similar to 'The Last Ringbearer' just to see the utter fury that would fire out of the Christian establishments.