9/11 thread

[Stalinist Speaker]

So haven't seen any 9/11 threads so i made this,

What do you believe happened on that day? are the conspiracy theorists right?
was it done by the US government Israel (inside job) or was it just an terrorist attack?

Do you have any personal belief? in that case please tell us and why you think so.

what results came out of 9/11? did that affect peoples lives in other countries to?

was it positive or negative that 9/11 happened?

if you can suggest any other questions please go on, anything around 9/11 can be discussed.

[Stalinist Speaker]

so i just realized that the poll lacks options and it is not good enough. if any moderator wants to delete the poll it that would be great, it is not necessary on the thread.

[Doflamingo]

Subway did it in order to create their $9.11 deal
http://i.imgur.com/Mv20Zle.jpg


But seriously, I don't think it was a conspiracy or anything, but a reaction to American imperialism and religious influence.

[Stalinist Speaker]

Subway did it in order to create their $9.11 deal
http://i.imgur.com/Mv20Zle.jpg


But seriously, I don't think it was a conspiracy or anything, but a reaction to American imperialism and religious influence.

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[Loony Le Fist]

9/11 was definitely blowback due to past US aggression and imperialism. That said, I think that those in the Bush administration welcomed the attacks as a pretext for continued imperialistic endeavors. Put another way, I believe there was pressure in the administration to be complacent about the intelligence that warned of impending attacks.

[Goblin]

Terrorism by Al Qaeda. The US should have seen it coming.

[Bostana]

Oy 9/11.

I tell people in my school, whenever it comes up, that 9/11 was terrible but it was a result of U.S. Imperialism in the Middle East. If they want to stop terrorism than the U.S should try and wuit being terrorists themselves.

Everytime they reply, %100 serious, so you think we deserved 9/11
:glare::glare::glare:

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I think dissidents have a tendency to attribute too much cunning and skill to the us government. I imagine this happens due to us rationalizing our repeated defeats, but the reality is that the us is an immense bureaucracy that has a difficult time accomplishing anything, which is why everything they do takes so long and costs so much. They didn't need to plan 9/11 nor did they need to intentionally supress intelligence related to it's planning. There's no one at the wheel and the intelligence agencies are tied to inefficient capitalist planning just like the rest of us. They have to compete against each other for funding, which obviously inhibits their cooperation.

Something like 9/11 was bound to happen and since we've made no attempt to reverse our course things like it are it sure to continue happening. There's no need to mystify this.

[Return_Of_The_Mac]

It was terrorism by al Qaeda. However, it is not some worldwide underground terrorist organisation. That name and idea of organisation was fabricated by the US government.

[La Comédie Noire]

I will phrase this in non-Marxist language as though I were addressing someone on the street:

9/11 was a brutal political attack carried out by members of Al Qaeda in retribution for the United States' heavy handed and violent actions in the Middle East (especially their uncritical support of Israel, which is becoming more untenable by the day) . Which is ironic when you consider it was the United States' meddling in Middle Eastern affairs that led to Islamic Militants being armed in the first place.

It was an important event in the History of world affairs because it shook many Americans out of their narrow provincialism and made them realize that there are costs to being "the policeman of the world." I doubt many Americans could have found Afghanistan or Iraq on a map beforehand.

Unfortunately most policy makers and military leaders took the opposite lesson and decided that the best course of action was to amp up their presence and aggressive tactics in the Middle East. This has not worked out great as it's caused countless deaths and suffering, while destabilizing the region.

The positive lesson to learn here is the people of the Middle East will not be controlled and must be allowed to determine their own destinies. The United States' government cannot overthrow radical islamists, in many cases they helped get them into power in the first place.

EDIT:

I'd like to note even though I chose terrorism by Al Qaeda, I avoided using that world because it Is both vague and loaded.

[RedSunrise]

I tell people in my school, whenever it comes up, that 9/11 was terrible but it was a result of U.S. Imperialism in the Middle East. If they want to stop terrorism than the U.S should try and wuit being terrorists themselves.


The sad part here is that we lost the lives of innocents in 9/11. The U.S. did deserve it for sticking "our" fingers everywhere, but as most know the people have little control of our government these days (and to wussy to rebel ;))

9/11 was a tragedy, because those terrorists didn't fly into the white house like they should have... TBH I would have taken just the senate/house too

[Red_Banner]

The WTC towers were imploded.

As to who did it.

Who knows?

Jet fuel simply isn't powerful enough to take them down.



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[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

it was a terrorist attack...

[Tim Cornelis]

The WTC towers were imploded.

As to who did it.

Who knows?

Jet fuel simply isn't powerful enough to take them down.



The pseudo-science brigade has arrived. "Jet fuel simply isn't powerful enough to take them down." What does that even mean? Of course jet fuel doesn't bring down towers, it's a liquid.

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[Comrade Jacob]

I think they knew about it shortly before it hit, I just think they sat back and thought that it would be a good reason to go to war so they let it hit.

I could be wrong.

[Comrade Samuel]

I certanly wouldn't consider it above the U.S government to purposefully kill civilians for the sole purpose of justifying an imperialist war (or two) but all tangible evidence points to Al-Qaeda.

That being said, they also could have responded incompetently on purpose in order to accomplish the same goal. Honestly, as an American, I don't lose too much sleep thinking about this topic in particular because all discusions about it seem to have been tainted by right-wing libertarian conspiracy nuts. These idiots (alongside the government and Americans in general) have turned the incident into a joke.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

:grin:

I believe it was an false flag operation/"inside job," committed via the US government by larger corporate puppet masters, for lack of better words. "Al-Qaida," is a myth and CIA front group, bin Laden was an actor, he still probably lives, there is no real such thing as "terrorism," in this case, that too is a myth, everything we were told about both the incident and the events/wars that followed was based on lies, false evidences, logical fallacies, and so on. It seems prrrretty ridiculous if you ask me, lol, why believe it?

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/30398790.jpg

[Crabbensmasher]

Ol' Georgie liked it.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx

Seriously though, his approval rating went up to 90% a week after 9/11. I think it's safe to say 9/11 was the highlight of his presidency, and career.

The highlight of his career was a national catastrophe. Not many presidents can claim that.

[Remus Bleys]

There was a big thread about it on september that turned into debating conspiracy theory.
Why does no one use the search engine?

[Sea]

I used to have a comic where one of the towers opened its mouth and ate the plane and then, in classical New York City style, defecated it and the terrorists onto the sidewalk. But I don't have it any more. The fact that my hard drive crashed probably saved me from an infraction...
I think they knew about it shortly before it hit, I just think they sat back and thought that it would be a good reason to go to war so they let it hit.

I could be wrong.
If by "shortly before" you mean when the planes were 10 feet away, then sure. Otherwise no.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

The highlight of his career was a national catastrophe. Not many presidents can claim that.

Really?

FDR and The Depression, Truman and the Bomb, Ike and Segregation, JFK and Cuba, Ford and Watergate.

Crisis management seems to be a strong corollary of a leader's public opinion.

[Crabbensmasher]

Really?

FDR and The Depression, Truman and the Bomb, Ike and Segregation, JFK and Cuba, Ford and Watergate.

Crisis management seems to be a strong corollary of a leader's public opinion.

Haha, yeah, actually I take that back. I guess I wasn't really thinking when I made that comment

[Os Cangaceiros]

Really?

FDR and The Depression, Truman and the Bomb, Ike and Segregation, JFK and Cuba, Ford and Watergate.

Crisis management seems to be a strong corollary of a leader's public opinion.

Carter and the Iranian crisis

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Carter and the Iranian crisis

McKinley and the USS Maine (ACR1) incident that led to the Spanish-American war.

[DasFapital]

It was blowback from CIA ops in Afghanistan and the Arab world

[RedWaves]

This is a big conspiracy going around the usual whackjob Libertarian kids living in mom's basement.


Clearly, I don't see how it can be an inside job. The White House couldn't even keep a blowjob secret, how would they pull this off?

Also it just don't give credit to these Arabs. They finally pulled something off to attack the West and can't even get credit. How the hell could George W Bush pull this off? We all know how stupid he was.

America should have saw this coming the minute Raygun buddied up with all his "Freedom fighters" and helped train and arm these guys. It sure came back to bite America on the ass didn't it?

At the same time I can't really blame the conspiracy theorists. They are looking for that easy way out. A simple explanation within a few minutes on a fucking Youtube video with scary music is all it takes to convince these morons something went wrong.

What's worse is ALEX JONES was their poster boy for this crap. Alex Jones just screams moron with all his stupid theories about freemasons and whatever flavor of the month doom porn he can come up with.

I think 9/11 is clearly way over analyzed. Even if something did go strange that day (And to admit, yes there was some odd circumstances) it don't mean Israel or Dubya or whoever was truly responsible.
Americans are still obsessed with this crap. What is it? The only day in our history where they weren't slaughtering people around the world and Americans were slaughtered instead?


The conspiracy theorists overkill this crap. "9/11 changed everything" really what did it change? All the policies that came after can easily be traced back to the Clinton, Bush, and Reagan administrations. The Patriot Act was years in the making under Ronnie Raygun's criminal administration. The Republican party has been dying to finish what they started back in the 80's.

I think people enjoy living in this fearful reality of George Orwell's 1984 instead of really breaking down barriers and analyzing things it's so much easier you know to just blame it on da gubahment and scream conspiracy theory.

[RedWaves]

Carter and the Iranian crisis

From where I come from, whites in general view Carter as the worst president ever simply because he allowed Vietnamese to come into the country, and of course those dirty criminal Cubans before Raygun took over.

[SensibleLuxemburgist]

Honestly, there has been so many theories regarding this tragic event that I really don't have a stable opinion anymore. However, I voted that it was simply a terrorist attack by Al-Qaeda.

[Bolshevik Sickle]

Honestly, there has been so many theories regarding this tragic event that I really don't have a stable opinion anymore. However, I voted that it was simply a terrorist attack by Al-Qaeda.

Assuming they did, only about <3000 people died.

It makes it hardly necessary to murder and bomb 10,000+ in retaliation.

Iraq death Toll

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Iraqi_civilian_casualti es (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Iraqi_civilian_casualti es)

Afghanistan death toll

http://www.thenation.com/article/176042/civilian-casualties-afghanistan-2001-2012-guide (http://www.thenation.com/article/176042/civilian-casualties-afghanistan-2001-2012-guide)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(200 1%E2%80%93present) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(200 1%E2%80%93present))


That was one thick passport!
http://imageshack.us/a/img837/9402/g0sp.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/a/img837/9402/g0sp.jpg)
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An event similar to 9-11 occurred shortly before the Vietnam War (an imperialist proxy war, but the Soviets were definitely the lesser of two evils)
http://imageshack.us/a/img191/6200/qr9b.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/a/img191/6200/qr9b.jpg)
(Click image to zoom in)

[Sabot Cat]

Assuming they did, only about <3000 people died. It makes it hardly necessary to murder and bomb 10,000+ in retaliation.


Yes, I agree in that the U.S. government invalidly used the attacks as a causus belli for their cavalier wars abroad, but one should note that the victims of 9/11 were also innocents caught in the crossfire of American imperialism and that the violent, sudden deaths of nearly three thousand people is not something to be approached flippantly, which I perceive you to be in saying "only about >3000 people".

[RedWaves]

Even if 9/11 didn't happen you do know the U.S. was going to fuck with the middle east. They already had plans to do it. This wasn't no conspiracy they "allowed to happen" just so they could go in, they were getting ready to go in regardless.

[MattDoe]

Subway did it in order to create their $9.11 deal
But seriously, I don't think it was a conspiracy or anything, but a reaction to American imperialism and religious influence.

[Can't post that Subway pic since I don't have enough posts] But why am I the only one who finds that pic so goddamn insulting? When did leftists start laughing at tragic events like 9/11?

[MattDoe]

I thought the inside job BS died back in 2008 or something. People watch a couple of Youtube videos and think they're suddenly experts of physics going "But buildings don't fall like that!!1!" Bin Laden himself took credit for the attack. Stop debating it. Its almost 2014.

[Prometeo liberado]

I "heard" it was an inside "Stalin" job. Inside. "".


Safe to say.