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LiamChe
11th November 2013, 23:03
What are some ongoing National Liberation movements in the world today? Which ones are genuine proletarian struggles against Imperialism and which ones are not?

The reason I ask this is because national liberation struggles are important for bringing about global socialism and it is important that Communists support them.


Our party is aware of these problems, has them on the agenda, makes every effort and has orientated its whole policy, propaganda and agitation, as well as its own actions, towards internationalist aid for the Marxist-Leninist parties and the people’s national liberation struggle. At this stage, the national liberation struggles of the peoples of the undeveloped countries have extraordinary importance, because they weaken the capitalist order, in general and facilitate the development of bourgeois democratic revolutions and their transformation into proletarian revolutions. Hence, it is up to the communist forces wherever they are, to reflect on their actions and activities and be guided by our great revolutionary theory, Marxism-Leninism, to assimilate it thoroughly and accurately and. through the practical actions, to incite and lead the masses in revolution.


We notice with regret that some Marxist-Leninist parties do not understand this question properly, do not operate actively, that is, they do not accompany their propaganda, however weak, with concrete actions, which they can do only if the militant spirit exists in their ranks. Indeed, in some countries there are occasions when we do not see Marxist-Leninist groups or parties which distinguish themselves with their political actions and give fire to the demonstrations, opposition and protests which the working class makes on the urging of social-democracy or modern revisionism- Such actions would really arouse interest among the workers who would see that the actions of Marxist-Leninists come into conflict with the slogans chanted by the revisionists and social-democracy in strikes and demonstrations. Tens of thousands of workers rally in the squares of various cities, and the Marxist-Leninist parties will strengthen and assert themselves if their representatives take the courage to come out with their own microphones, addressing the masses of the people with their line in order to explain to them how they should turn the strikes and demonstrations they hold into political strikes and demonstrations, and not limited themselves to economic strikes or “peaceful” strikes.


The enemy in power is afraid of such political strikes, therefore he calls them ferocious strikes. The question here is not that we should come out with weapons or fire them, but we must stand up to the repressive organs of the order, the police, the carabinieri, the army and, at the same time, expose the evils of capitalism and the revisionist parties among the people gathers in the streets and in squares. This, for example, is a field in which Marxist-Leninists can mobilize the working masses. But there are other fields and forms of work like this, which prepare public opinion for sterner actions against the wretched existing state of affairs, so the people see more clearly the crisis of the regime, the great economic financial crisis, the great energy crisis, all of which, in the final analysis, are loaded on to the backs of the working class.

The Marxist-Leninist Movement and the World Crisis of Capitalism (http://"http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hoxha/works/marxist-leninist.htm)

Slavic
12th November 2013, 01:15
Honestly in my opinion all national liberation movements are not genuine unless they seek to be revolutionary. Any national liberation movement that is not revolutionary is mainly just changing the language and ethnicity of the bourgeois that are oppressing them. Trading an international colonial ruling class for a local ruling class, either way the proletariat are screwed.

Mind you, in this age of globalism there really is no such thing as colonial bourgeois vs local bourgeois. Capital knows no borders, languages, or ethnic groups, only regeneration and surplus.

GiantMonkeyMan
12th November 2013, 01:48
Within the capitalist paradigm, national liberation struggles generally lead the way for oppressed minorities to install a national bourgeoisie of their own in the mistaken belief that this would remove the source of their oppression, namely capitalism itself. Having said that, I live with a Kurd and it's given me a somewhat rose-tinted look at the struggle of the Kurds to form their own nation and prevent the oppression from the various nations that they live in.

tuwix
12th November 2013, 06:20
What are some ongoing National Liberation movements in the world today?


There are many of them. The most known are Palestinan, Basque in Spain and Tibetan in China.



Which ones are genuine proletarian struggles against Imperialism and which ones are not?


Almost all, but elites will be building capitalist countries as elites do.

BTW, quoting a brutal dictator, as Hoxda was isn't good in term of liberation...

LiamChe
12th November 2013, 22:27
Within the capitalist paradigm, national liberation struggles generally lead the way for oppressed minorities to install a national bourgeoisie of their own in the mistaken belief that this would remove the source of their oppression, namely capitalism itself. Having said that, I live with a Kurd and it's given me a somewhat rose-tinted look at the struggle of the Kurds to form their own nation and prevent the oppression from the various nations that they live in.

I don't see how one could be a Communist and not support National Liberation struggles. I know that in some movements that petit-bourgeousie elements may try to co-opt the movement, but still at their core National Liberation struggles are movements of the oppressed proletariat and peasantry, so they should still be supported by communists.

The Garbage Disposal Unit
12th November 2013, 22:39
Some good reading over at the recently launched website of the Indigenous Nationhood Movement (http://nationsrising.org/) (North America).

Slavic
13th November 2013, 21:34
I don't see how one could be a Communist and not support National Liberation struggles. I know that in some movements that petit-bourgeousie elements may try to co-opt the movement, but still at their core National Liberation struggles are movements of the oppressed proletariat and peasantry, so they should still be supported by communists.

Just because a group is oppressed does not mean it is proletariat. I can tell you that in the US we have very loud and wealthy petite-bourgeoisie who claim they are oppressed by the government.

The thing about National Liberation struggles is that they are liberal in their core, not socialist. They fight for the "people" not for the 'workers". Their rehtoric does not include the working class unless it is to show that the working class's interested would be best served by a local bourgeoisie as opposed to a foreign bourgeoisie. No where will you find in their liturature and platforms any mention of workers control.

Os Cangaceiros
19th November 2013, 00:54
What are some ongoing National Liberation movements in the world today?

A few I can think of that rarely get mentioned are the Polisario vs. Morocco over the issue of the western Sahara, the Tuareg vs. Mali, and there's a resistance movement of Papua New Guineans against the government of Indonesia.

boiler
19th November 2013, 01:36
In Ireland there are a few groups that are struggling for national liberation

Irish Republican Socialist party, Eirgi, Republican Network for Unity, Republican Sinn Fein and the 32 county sovereignty movement.

Irish Republican Socialist Party, Eirgi and Republican Network for Unity are Republican Socialist parties. They want the establishment of a 32 County Democratic Socialist Republic. Republican Sinn Fein and the 32 County Sovereignty Movement are pretty much liberal. but all groups membership are made up of mainly working class people and some have support in working class areas.

the armed groups are Irish Republican Army and Oglaigh na hEireann.

Oglaigh na hEireann are Republican Socialist and both groups want the establishment of a 32 County Democratic Socialist Republic

Os Cangaceiros
19th November 2013, 01:43
the armed groups are Irish Republican Army and Oglaigh na hEireann.

I thought that the Provisional IRA (Oglaigh na hEireann, or "volunteers of Ireland" IIRC) stopped their activities a long time ago, and the only armed groups that operate in the present day are really marginal groups like Real IRA and Continuity IRA.

boiler
19th November 2013, 02:02
I thought that the Provisional IRA (Oglaigh na hEireann, or "volunteers of Ireland" IIRC) stopped their activities a long time ago, and the only armed groups that operate in the present day are really marginal groups like Real IRA and Continuity IRA.

No your right, the Provisional IRA are gone. There is a new group that is called Oglaigh na hEireann, they have been about for the last 5 or 6 years. Then the other group I mentioned the IRA is a new group to. Its an amalgamation of a few different armed republican groups. The Real IRA are one of the groups that have amalgamated into it. The IRA is around now for over a year. The media call them the New IRA.

The Continuity IRA are pretty much gone now. There are a few members in prison, but other than that they dont really exist anymore

boiler
19th November 2013, 02:15
Id say with in the last 4 years the armed republican groups have been fairly active. There has been 2 Brit soldiers killed, 2 cops killed and a screw killed. There has been a good few other attacks and attempted attacks carried out also, car bombings, shootings, grenade attacks, under car booby traps, arson attack against economic targets and resonantly there was an attempted mortar attack on a helicopter in Armagh. There are over 100 Republicans in prison now through out Ireland. The last few years have been the most active since the late 90s early 2000s