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Overcome
10th November 2013, 22:58
I guess the reason I am asking this question is that due to my current domestic, employment and financial situation I can't see how I personally can play a part in the hastening of the revolution.

I've been a radical since as far as I can remember but have only recently delved into the murky world of revolutionary theory. I want to be active and do my bit in all of this but don't know where to start.

Simply joining a union/party and paying my dues isn't enough.

Any thoughts, help or personal stories you would like to share would be gratefully recieved.

Many thanks.


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The Idler
12th November 2013, 21:46
What kind of activity do you want to do, that won't happen in a party?

reb
13th November 2013, 17:46
Party activity is just the unconscious acknowledgement that you are not doing anything. Try finding some actual struggles going on that aren't party initiated. You might have to get a job for this.

WilliamGreen
13th November 2013, 19:07
It's tough but honestly in this scene you have to stand by yourself a lot of the time.

When you have a real connection with the work you'll know what has to be done and it will be up to you to do it ;)

AmilcarCabral
13th November 2013, 19:38
Overcome: Hi, one of the main things that people can do in order to evolve, and become a real powerful revolutionary person and to help others become communists, to spread communism knowledge to the masses is to first of all acquire personal power. You will need first to transform yourself in a more powerful person mentally, spiritually and physically. Because being a communist leftist is literally being a warrior. Warriors do not only take place in the movies. Warriors have been real and are real. Che Guevara, Hugo Chavez, Lenin, Evo Morales, Castro are real warriors. You will need to become more powerful, and a warrior in order to at some point fight physically and/or verbally against anti-communism people around you (your family, friends, co-workers, Republicans and tea baggers nazis etc). So that they won't be able to destroy your motivation and your self-confidence, and your personal independence.

This world has always been a dictatorial world where not only governments, but peer pressure society, teachers religious people etc. have always been trying to control the thoughts and lives of others.

So you will need to transform yourself into a fighter by reading great works of philosophy, biographies of great leftist warriors like Che Guevara, Lenin, reading philosophy and literature (Books elevate self-power)

Second step: is to get into a book-reading routine of the basic works of Marx, Engels, Lenin etc you can find them at http://www.marxists.org or buy them at http://www.amazon.com

Third step: joining a communist party like the socialist party of USA, Workers World Party, Communist party of USA, Socialist Equality Party

Other tips: Weight-lifting for personal power and on the artistic side: Listen to Rage Against the machine, Tool, System of a Down, Snoop Doggy Dog, LL Cool J, Public Enemy, Calle 13 etc.

And remember be aways willing to defend your communism ideology, be willing to fight against anybody trying to kill your motivation for being a leftist


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I guess the reason I am asking this question is that due to my current domestic, employment and financial situation I can't see how I personally can play a part in the hastening of the revolution.

I've been a radical since as far as I can remember but have only recently delved into the murky world of revolutionary theory. I want to be active and do my bit in all of this but don't know where to start.

Simply joining a union/party and paying my dues isn't enough.

Any thoughts, help or personal stories you would like to share would be gratefully recieved.

Many thanks.


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AmilcarCabral
13th November 2013, 19:42
And remember we need unity among all communists. I am marxist-leninist, but I put away my personal ideology in order to unite with anarchists, trotskists, maoists etc. Because we need UNITED LEFTIST PARTIES in each country of this world, because we have to be realists about how most leftist parties do not want unity, do not want to put away their own school of thought of leftist ideology in order to destroy capitalism. If we don't do this we always be ruled by Democrats and Republicans in USA, and we will die in poverty, in misery, with no medicare, no medicaid, no food-stamps and in Europe it will be the same, and in Africa it will be the same, and all over the world

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Trap Queen Voxxy
13th November 2013, 20:26
Turn on, tune in, drop out, kill people, burn shit, fuck shool.

Per Levy
13th November 2013, 20:31
Overcome: Hi, one of the main things that people can do in order to evolve, and become a real powerful revolutionary person and to help others become communists, to spread communism knowledge to the masses is to first of all acquire personal power. You will need first to transform yourself in a more powerful person mentally, spiritually and physically. Because being a communist leftist is literally being a warrior. Warriors do not only take place in the movies. Warriors have been real and are real. Che Guevara, Hugo Chavez, Lenin, Evo Morales, Castro are real warriors. You will need to become more powerful, and a warrior in order to at some point fight physically and/or verbally against anti-communism people around you (your family, friends, co-workers, Republicans and tea baggers nazis etc). So that they won't be able to destroy your motivation and your self-confidence, and your personal independence.

wow, just wow. what i did got from this little advice is, that i should work out more to beat up my family and friends so they wont destroy my way of the communist warrior. and that the working class doesnt exist, only strong man on top are importent.


Other tips: Weight-lifting for personal power and on the artistic side: Listen to Rage Against the machine, Tool, System of a Down, Snoop Doggy Dog, LL Cool J, Public Enemy, Calle 13 etc.

should i be happy that you havnt posted you enormous list of bands that somehow transform you into a communist superman? also ll cool j, really?


Third step: joining a communist party like the socialist party of USA, Workers World Party, Communist party of USA, Socialist Equality Party

i would advice that you dont join any of these, especially not the cpusa, they're the left wng of the democrats.

BIXX
13th November 2013, 22:20
Overcome: Hi, one of the main things that people can do in order to evolve, and become a real powerful revolutionary person and to help others become communists, to spread communism knowledge to the masses is to first of all acquire personal power. You will need first to transform yourself in a more powerful person mentally, spiritually and physically. Because being a communist leftist is literally being a warrior. Warriors do not only take place in the movies. Warriors have been real and are real. Che Guevara, Hugo Chavez, Lenin, Evo Morales, Castro are real warriors. You will need to become more powerful, and a warrior in order to at some point fight physically and/or verbally against anti-communism people around you (your family, friends, co-workers, Republicans and tea baggers nazis etc). So that they won't be able to destroy your motivation and your self-confidence, and your personal independence.

This world has always been a dictatorial world where not only governments, but peer pressure society, teachers religious people etc. have always been trying to control the thoughts and lives of others.

So you will need to transform yourself into a fighter by reading great works of philosophy, biographies of great leftist warriors like Che Guevara, Lenin, reading philosophy and literature (Books elevate self-power)

Second step: is to get into a book-reading routine of the basic works of Marx, Engels, Lenin etc you can find them at http://www.marxists.org or buy them at http://www.amazon.com

Third step: joining a communist party like the socialist party of USA, Workers World Party, Communist party of USA, Socialist Equality Party

Other tips: Weight-lifting for personal power and on the artistic side: Listen to Rage Against the machine, Tool, System of a Down, Snoop Doggy Dog, LL Cool J, Public Enemy, Calle 13 etc.

And remember be aways willing to defend your communism ideology, be willing to fight against anybody trying to kill your motivation for being a leftist


.


Overcome: Hi, one of the main things that people can do in order to evolve, and become a real powerful revolutionary person and to help others become communists, to spread communism knowledge to the masses is to first of all acquire personal power. You will need first to transform yourself in a more powerful person mentally, spiritually and physically. Because being a communist leftist is literally being a warrior. Warriors do not only take place in the movies. Warriors have been real and are real. Che Guevara, Hugo Chavez, Lenin, Evo Morales, Castro are real warriors. You will need to become more powerful, and a warrior in order to at some point fight physically and/or verbally against anti-communism people around you (your family, friends, co-workers, Republicans and tea baggers nazis etc). So that they won't be able to destroy your motivation and your self-confidence, and your personal independence.

This world has always been a dictatorial world where not only governments, but peer pressure society, teachers religious people etc. have always been trying to control the thoughts and lives of others.

So you will need to transform yourself into a fighter by reading great works of philosophy, biographies of great leftist warriors like Che Guevara, Lenin, reading philosophy and literature (Books elevate self-power)

Second step: is to get into a book-reading routine of the basic works of Marx, Engels, Lenin etc you can find them at http://www.marxists.org or buy them at http://www.amazon.com

Third step: joining a communist party like the socialist party of USA, Workers World Party, Communist party of USA, Socialist Equality Party

Other tips: Weight-lifting for personal power and on the artistic side: Listen to Rage Against the machine, Tool, System of a Down, Snoop Doggy Dog, LL Cool J, Public Enemy, Calle 13 etc.

And remember be aways willing to defend your communism ideology, be willing to fight against anybody trying to kill your motivation for being a leftist


.


And remember we need unity among all communists. I am marxist-leninist, but I put away my personal ideology in order to unite with anarchists, trotskists, maoists etc. Because we need UNITED LEFTIST PARTIES in each country of this world, because we have to be realists about how most leftist parties do not want unity, do not want to put away their own school of thought of leftist ideology in order to destroy capitalism. If we don't do this we always be ruled by Democrats and Republicans in USA, and we will die in poverty, in misery, with no medicare, no medicaid, no food-stamps and in Europe it will be the same, and in Africa it will be the same, and all over the world

.

Much revolution
So power
Wow

Really, if the OP had not realized this is a ridiculous post, let this be your notification.

Also, I would say to try and find an organization that allows you to connect with people (even IM heading that direction, no matter how much I hate formal organization).

Overcome
13th November 2013, 22:37
And remember we need unity among all communists. I am marxist-leninist, but I put away my personal ideology in order to unite with anarchists, trotskists, maoists etc. Because we need UNITED LEFTIST PARTIES in each country of this world, because we have to be realists about how most leftist parties do not want unity, do not want to put away their own school of thought of leftist ideology in order to destroy capitalism. If we don't do this we always be ruled by Democrats and Republicans in USA, and we will die in poverty, in misery, with no medicare, no medicaid, no food-stamps and in Europe it will be the same, and in Africa it will be the same, and all over the world

.

Unity for the left is incredibly important. I've been lurking round here for a while now and see far too much splitting of theoretical hairs. The destruction of capitalism ought to be the main concern.

The UK is much the same as that. Whoever is in parliament still supports capitalism, even the so-called labor party.

Anyone from the UK know of any active, campaigning organisations (preferably in the south east)?


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Overcome
13th November 2013, 22:41
Much revolution
So power
Wow

Really, if the OP had not realized this is a ridiculous post, let this be your notification.

Also, I would say to try and find an organization that allows you to connect with people (even IM heading that direction, no matter how much I hate formal organization).

The sheer stupidity of that post is self evident my friend.

Also what is IM? Sorry to ask but I'm still in my revolutionary infancy so to speak.


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AmilcarCabral
14th November 2013, 01:13
Per Levy: What's your problem? Why are you so angry? I am just trying to post tips to the original post, if you don't like these tips just ignore them. Take it easy, don't be so psychorigid

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wow, just wow. what i did got from this little advice is, that i should work out more to beat up my family and friends so they wont destroy my way of the communist warrior. and that the working class doesnt exist, only strong man on top are importent.



should i be happy that you havnt posted you enormous list of bands that somehow transform you into a communist superman? also ll cool j, really?



i would advice that you dont join any of these, especially not the cpusa, they're the left wng of the democrats.

BIXX
14th November 2013, 01:15
The sheer stupidity of that post is self evident my friend.

Also what is IM? Sorry to ask but I'm still in my revolutionary infancy so to speak.


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Hahaha, I at first thought you were referring to my post as the one containing the sheer stupidity.

I was just too lazy to put the apostrophe in "I'M". Come to think of it I wish I would have used italics.



Unity for the left is incredibly important. I've been lurking round here for a while now and see far too much splitting of theoretical hairs. The destruction of capitalism ought to be the main concern.

I actually disagree with left unity (also I'm a post-leftist so technically it wouldn't apply to me) but even so, left unity is not necessarily to be desired. Especially, looking at the past, we don't have too good of a history in how we... "Work together". But apart from that, we also are often compromising our ideals and strategies when we unite (think Trots working with anarchists- it'd be ridiculous, as Trotskyists aren't exactly known for liking the anarchists), and so we'd have to give up parts of who we are and what we believe will defeat capitalism and oppression as a whole to be united.

AmilcarCabral
14th November 2013, 01:17
By the way, why don't you quit your bad habit of offending other leftists in this forum? Why don't you instead try to unite with other leftists. Instead of hating other leftists of this forum for their different thoughts, and different worldview, you should concentrate your energies on the overthrow of the capitalist system, because as long as leftists fight among each other, we won't see socialism in the near future in USA and in the whole world


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wow, just wow. what i did got from this little advice is, that i should work out more to beat up my family and friends so they wont destroy my way of the communist warrior. and that the working class doesnt exist, only strong man on top are importent.



should i be happy that you havnt posted you enormous list of bands that somehow transform you into a communist superman? also ll cool j, really?



i would advice that you dont join any of these, especially not the cpusa, they're the left wng of the democrats.

AmilcarCabral
14th November 2013, 01:19
Yeah but some leftists here in this forum, instead of attacking the right-wing and the capitalist class, they blame other leftists for the weakness of the left. Many leftists are addicted to hating other leftists, what a stupid world. With that attitude we will always be ruled by capitalist political parties in the whole world


Unity for the left is incredibly important. I've been lurking round here for a while now and see far too much splitting of theoretical hairs. The destruction of capitalism ought to be the main concern.

The UK is much the same as that. Whoever is in parliament still supports capitalism, even the so-called labor party.

Anyone from the UK know of any active, campaigning organisations (preferably in the south east)?


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HoboHomesteader
14th November 2013, 02:33
Other tips: Weight-lifting for personal power and on the artistic side: Listen to Rage Against the machine, Tool, System of a Down, Snoop Doggy Dog, LL Cool J, Public Enemy, Calle 13 etc.


:laugh::laugh:LL Cool J and Tool with help make you a moar powerful revolutionary.

Per Levy
15th November 2013, 02:50
Per Levy: What's your problem? Why are you so angry? I am just trying to post tips to the original post, if you don't like these tips just ignore them. Take it easy, don't be so psychorigid.

do you really have to ask what my problem is with you? really? do you not remember for what your trotskistmarx account was banned for? i've read you stupid anti-semitic blog you were banned for back for in the day. it wasnt a pleasnt thing to do to say at least. and guess what, i dont like racists like yourself, i know very shoking.

besides that most of your posts are nothing else than esoteric garbage that help no one. and another point is, i know way to much stuff about you i would love to forget but you keep coming back and you're not even hiding that fact that it is you, and each time you're back my memory on you gets refreshed. and that is your fault. there were so many good people on here banned and who keeps comeing back? you.


By the way, why don't you quit your bad habit of offending other leftists in this forum?

i havnt even started to be offensive, do you want me to be, ok here it is: do you know the only value you bring to this forum? its entertaiment value and nothing else.

ps: left unity is an infantile disorder.

Overcome
15th November 2013, 14:45
Party activity is just the unconscious acknowledgement that you are not doing anything. Try finding some actual struggles going on that aren't party initiated. You might have to get a job for this.

Agreed regarding party membership.

What kind of job are you thinking of? Anything at all or something specific?


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The Garbage Disposal Unit
15th November 2013, 16:04
Hey comrade!
I have three thoughts, all of which are going to be pretty general since I don't know the specifics of your situation.

1. Fight where you stand. Even if you're a student or unemployed you've still got a relationship to capital on that basis, and there are others around you facing the same problems - there's as good a starting point as any. It might be less obvious than if you're in a traditional workplace, where the antagonistic relationship is relatively out in the open, but it's none the less there. Ostensibly outside the production process (but, in reality, integral to it!) there's struggle in your own community that can only benefit from your extra hands, and your readiness to develop revolutionary theory in context.

2. Solidarity. This isn't a matter of going to find someone to play savior to, but dollars to doughnuts there's a struggle going on where people are asking for a type of support you can provide. Whether it's a picket line that needs extra hands, a blockade that needs supplies, or a political prisoner who'd really benefit from having a benefit thrown for them.

3. Don't shy away from "service" - doing necessary, life-sustaining work that has no revolutionary implications in-and-of-itself. This gets complicated, because service is often done as charity, or by formal charity organizations, and that can be a really shitty scene (like, we're talking reactionary religious organizations that cooperate with the police against those they're supposedly serving). While it's important to be aware of the contradictions and limits, throwing yourself into "serving the people" (roflmaotsetung) can be an important way to learn, to come face-to-face with realities and worlds that might be outside your immediate experience.

Overcome
16th November 2013, 15:46
Hey comrade!
I have three thoughts, all of which are going to be pretty general since I don't know the specifics of your situation.

1. Fight where you stand. Whether even if you're a student or unemployed you've still got a relationship to capital on that basis, and there are others around you facing the same problems - there's as good a starting point as any. It might be less obvious than if you're in a traditional workplace, where the antagonistic relationship is relatively out in the open, but it's none the less there. Ostensibly outside the production process (but, in reality, integral to it!) there's struggle in your own community that can only benefit from your extra hands, and your readiness to develop revolutionary theory in context.

2. Solidarity. This isn't a matter of going to find someone to play savior to, but dollars to doughnuts there's a struggle going on where people are asking for a type of support you can provide. Whether it's a picket line that needs extra hands, a blockade that needs supplies, or a political prisoner who'd really benefit from having a benefit thrown for them.

3. Don't shy away from "service" - doing necessary, life-sustaining work that has no revolutionary implications in-and-of-itself. This gets complicated, because service is often done as charity, or by formal charity organizations, and that can be a really shitty scene (like, we're talking reactionary religious organizations that cooperate with the police against those they're supposedly serving). While it's important to be aware of the contradictions and limits, throwing yourself into "serving the people" (roflmaotsetung) can be an important way to learn, to come face-to-face with realities and worlds that might be outside your immediate experience.

Thank you comrade.

I will see what kind of "meaningful work" there is in my area. I'm employed at the moment, however due to bullshit zero-hours contracts I'm essentially unable to speak out against the bosses etc.

Charities are a pretty good idea though.


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Overcome
16th November 2013, 15:47
To what extent do you feel that personal relationships can or should be sacrificed to the goal of becoming more active?


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Two Buck Chuck
17th November 2013, 20:14
To what extent do you feel that personal relationships can or should be sacrificed to the goal of becoming more active?




Oh god, don't be a martyr. Live your life, if you want to be active and feel like you're doing something meaningful, knock yourself out, but don't make big sacrifices just to feel better about yourself.

Queen Mab
18th November 2013, 22:14
To what extent do you feel that personal relationships can or should be sacrificed to the goal of becoming more active?

The true revolutionary is a remorseless machine, dedicated solely to the class struggle and the obliteration of her personal life.