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Flying Purple People Eater
7th November 2013, 22:00
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/11/07/yasser-arafat-had-high-levels-of-lethal-radioactive-polonium-in-his-body-swiss-scientists-confirm/

LAUSANNE, Switzerland — Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat ingested lethal radioactive polonium before his death nine years ago and had high levels of it in his body that could not have been accidental, Swiss scientists confirmed Thursday.

The Swiss lab examined Arafat’s remains and his underclothes and a travel bag that he had with him in the days before his death in a Paris hospital and found that the polonium and lead amounts could not be naturally occurring. The timeframe of his illness and death were also consistent with polonium poisoning, they said.

“You don’t accidentally or voluntarily absorb a source of polonium — it’s not something that appears in the environment like that,” said Patrice Mangin, director of the Lausanne University Hospital’s forensics centre. He said he could not say unequivocally what killed Arafat — the biological samples obtained just last year were far too degraded to determine the cause of death.

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“Our results reasonably support the poisoning theory,” said Francois Bochud, director of the Institute of Radiation Physics that carried out the probe, though he was careful to emphasize the lingering questions that will require further investigation to answer.

“Can we exclude polonium as cause of death? The response is clearly ’no,’ he said. ”Was polonium the cause of the death for certain? The answer is no.“

The Palestinian leader died in November 2004 at a French military hospital, a month after falling violently ill at his Israeli-besieged West Bank compound. Palestinian officials have alleged from the start that Israel poisoned Arafat, a claim Israel denies.

Suha Arafat, his widow, called on the Palestinian leadership Thursday to seek justice for her husband.


AP Photo/Lefteris Pitarakis, FileArafat in 2002
Speaking to The Associated Press by phone from the Qatari capital Doha, she did not mention Israel, but argued that only countries with nuclear capabilities have access to polonium.

“I can’t accuse anyone, but it’s clear this is a crime, and only countries with nuclear reactors can have and do that,” she said.

“Now the ball is in the hands of the Palestinian Authority. They have to find the tools and pursue the legal case. They can resort to international legal institutions and international courts,” she added.

Scientists not connected to the study said polonium is not naturally found in the human body.

“It’s quite difficult to understand why (Arafat) might have had any polonium, if he was just in his headquarters in Ramallah,” said Alastair Hay, a professor of environmental toxicology at the University of Leeds. “He wasn’t somebody who was moving in and out of atomic energy plants or dealing with radioactive isotopes.”

Derek Hill, a radiation expert at University College London, pointed out however that the polonium findings could have been the result of contamination.


Fabrice Coffrini / AFP / Getty ImagesThe November 7, 2013 press conference announcing the findings in Lausanne
“Somebody might have tried to doctor the evidence for their own political objectives,” he said.

The Swiss scientists noted in their report they could not account for the “chain of custody” of the specimens between Arafat’s death and when they were received in Lausanne last February.

Bochud said polonium can be obtained with authorization, noting that his own lab receives it in liquid form for research.

In that form, he said, just a minuscule amount slipped into food or drink would be lethal within about a month.

The 108-page report on the findings was published Wednesday by the Qatar-based satellite TV station Al-Jazeera. The station, along with Mrs. Arafat, had initiated the renewed investigation of Arafat’s death last year.

Arafat’s body was exhumed earlier this year. The Swiss report said his remains and the burial soil contained elevated levels of polonium-210.

Israeli officials vehemently denied any role in Arafat’s death.

Paul Hirschson, a Foreign Ministry spokesman, dismissed the allegations as “hogwash.”

Former Israeli official Dov Weisglass said Israel had no motive to kill Arafat at a time when he had been sidelined and isolated at his West Bank compound.

“I can assure you that officially, Israel had nothing to do with it,” Weisglass, a senior adviser to then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, said in a phone interview. “In late 2004, Israel had no reason whatsoever even to consider a step of this kind.”

Polonium first hit the headlines when it was used to kill KGB agent-turned-Kremlin critic Alexander Litvinenko in London in 2006.

It can be a byproduct of the chemical processing of uranium, but usually is made artificially in a nuclear reactor or a particle accelerator. Israel has a nuclear research centre and is widely believed to have a nuclear arsenal, but remains ambiguous about the subject.

Mrs. Arafat said the Swiss experts told her that had the remains been examined a year later, traces of polonium would have vanished.

In a statement put out by his office, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas urged official Palestinian bodies to “follow up the investigation and to reveal all the facts about the death of the late leader Yasser Arafat, and to put the whole truth before the Palestinian people and the world.”

The investigation was seen as potentially embarrassing to Abbas and his inner circle. The Palestinian investigation quickly hit a dead end. Abbas must now show publicly that he is interested in a vigorous follow-up, while not disrupting his negotiations with Israel.

The U.S. wants Israel and the Palestinians to keep negotiating, even though there appears to be no visible progress after more than three months of meetings. Abbas was in the Jordanian capital Amman on Thursday for a meeting with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry.

On Friday, the Palestinian committee that has been investigating Arafat’s death was to hold a news conference.

And thus, a theory becomes truth.

adipocere
7th November 2013, 22:21
And thus, a theory becomes truth.
No. "It's hogwash". People die from polonium poisoning all the time...:rolleyes:

Flying Purple People Eater
7th November 2013, 22:27
Another article:

Palestinian leader Arafat was likely assassinated with radioactive polonium: Swiss forensic tests (http://www.smh.com.au/world/palestinian-leader-arafat-was-likely-assassinated-with-radioactive-polonium-swiss-forensic-tests-20131107-2x261.html)


No. "It's hogwash". People die from plutonium poisoning all the time...:rolleyes:

Actually the substance was Polonium but I get the sentiment. In fact I think it's even rarer that people would achieve polonium poisoning. One would quite literally have to be served the stuff - there's no other logical way you would get it inside your system.

Sasha
7th November 2013, 22:36
Though it doesn't mean he was killed by mossad even if they are the most likely suspects, if it was a less sophisticated poison I would take inner PLO scheming as the most likely suspects but with this stuff my money is on Israeli or another "official" national secret intelligence organization. Though I guess PLO factions or Hamas or Hezbollah could get their hand on the stuff through their respective international alliances...

The Feral Underclass
8th November 2013, 00:41
I polonium a common compound to use in assassinations? The only other example I know is the Russian assassination of Alexander Litvinenko.

blake 3:17
8th November 2013, 01:25
It was pretty obviously supplied by Israel. Who from Russia or the US would be moving it around to poison Arafat?

Os Cangaceiros
8th November 2013, 02:03
Why would Israel want Arafat dead? Wasn't he playing ball with them in his later years?

Rafiq
8th November 2013, 02:03
I doubt it was the Israelis. It was more likely opponents in the PLO or hostile Palestinian islamists. Arafat posed little threat to the Israelis by the time he was poisoned

blake 3:17
8th November 2013, 02:38
Do you folks have any idea how many Israeli agents were in Fatah by that time?

In some ways the best account is Patrick Seale's book on Abu Nidal.

They were everywhere. And sure wasn't Mossad doing it either. Would've been top level.

@Rafiq -- Islamists? Maybe a a couple... Be real.

adipocere
8th November 2013, 03:38
Another article:

Palestinian leader Arafat was likely assassinated with radioactive polonium: Swiss forensic tests (http://www.smh.com.au/world/palestinian-leader-arafat-was-likely-assassinated-with-radioactive-polonium-swiss-forensic-tests-20131107-2x261.html)



Actually the substance was Polonium but I get the sentiment. In fact I think it's even rarer that people would achieve polonium poisoning. One would quite literally have to be served the stuff - there's no other logical way you would get it inside your system.

weird...I just noticed that I typed plutonium too. Well polonium poisoning whatever. Still Hogwash.


I doubt it was the Israelis. It was more likely opponents in the PLO or hostile Palestinian islamists. Arafat posed little threat to the Israelis by the time he was poisoned

Well, as the whole world raises an eyebrow at Israel, they stare right back and defiantly cry "Hogwash!" :laugh:

Sorry I really can't get past the choice of words. Please Israel, if you expect us to take you seriously, we're going to need that cartoon bomb.

Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist
8th November 2013, 03:48
Though it doesn't mean he was killed by mossad even if they are the most likely suspects, if it was a less sophisticated poison I would take inner PLO scheming as the most likely suspects but with this stuff my money is on Israeli or another "official" national secret intelligence organization. Though I guess PLO factions or Hamas or Hezbollah could get their hand on the stuff through their respective international alliances...

Occams Razor and the laws of common sense say otherwise, it's possible but it's also possible that the Spanish sunk the U.S Maine. Victim blaming is reprehensible response to this news.

RevolucionarBG
8th November 2013, 23:36
I too believe Israel didn't have interest in killing Arafat, because he was collaborating with them in his later years.

It might be militant wing of the PLO who don't want to collaborate with Israel, or it might be the same thing as with Anwar Sadat, who was killed during military parade in 1981., and there I suspect of the Russians.

Rafiq
9th November 2013, 14:44
Again, Arafat posed no threat to them. It is not beyond them to do things like this, but you have to take into account everything. It may have been Islamists but it's doubtful as they would have publicized and claimed responsibility, whoever killed Arafat did it pragmatically, maybe rivals in the PLO or Hamas. It could have been the Israelis, but I don't see what purpose that would serve. I don't say that in an argumentative manner, I literally ask if anyone knows.

cyu
9th November 2013, 16:41
If anybody's sent any emails about it, a couple hundred people at the NSA probably already know.

ckaihatsu
10th November 2013, 20:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhxOSUlnrJ8

blake 3:17
10th November 2013, 23:29
Again, Arafat posed no threat to them. It is not beyond them to do things like this, but you have to take into account everything. It may have been Islamists but it's doubtful as they would have publicized and claimed responsibility, whoever killed Arafat did it pragmatically, maybe rivals in the PLO or Hamas. It could have been the Israelis, but I don't see what purpose that would serve. I don't say that in an argumentative manner, I literally ask if anyone knows.


We don't know. If I were a gambler, my bet would be on Israel. It would probably have been delivered someone in Fatah, who'd have been bribed with both money and power. The whole espionage world is super weird and an assassin could've been recruited through all sorts of crazy ways.

Arafat was widely recognized as the legitimate leader of the Palestinians and had been able to unite various bases and various factions, which is pretty remarkable. And, yes he was making some bad deals, but they were from a position of weakness.

From my understanding, the US, Russia and Israel have access to polonium. And given the time he was poisoned there were 250 - 300 people who had access to him. Out of that number of marginalized people it wouldn't have been hard to flip somebody through money or threats against their family or other persuasion.

Sea
11th November 2013, 02:29
I polonium a common compound to use in assassinations? The only other example I know is the Russian assassination of Alexander Litvinenko.Actually, polonium isn't a compound, so no.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
11th November 2013, 04:08
It would have been a strange time to kill him, but it is of note that Fatah has been without a charismatic leader and the Palestinians have lacked a single political leadership due to the rise of Hamas in filling that void.

Where would Hamas get polonium? It's not exactly easy to get, and Hamas would have to have figured out how not to get caught.


Actually, polonium isn't a compound, so no.

Oh its getting technical up in here

Five Year Plan
11th November 2013, 06:00
Just because Arafat was, to an extent, willing to play ball with the Zionist government in Tel Aviv does not mean that Israel had no reason to take him out. Arafat's position was always precarious, depending as it did on a delicate balancing act between the Palestinian masses on one side and his suspicious Israeli patrons on the other. It might very well be that officials within the top circles of the Israeli government felt they wanted a more pliant leadership within the PLO, one with less ability to rally some resistance to whatever latest land-gobbling initiative Netanyahu happened to dream up next. The truth is we won't know until sensitive high-level documents are released, and in view of just how sensitive these documents would be, my guess is that any such documents would never be released if they existed in the first place.

Only somebody ill informed about the nature of the complexities of the situation in that part of the world, or somebody surreptitiously carrying water for Israel's expansionist colonial-settler agenda, would claim that Israel is not the most likely culprit (though by no means the only potential one) out of the gates.

blake 3:17
11th November 2013, 06:47
It would have been a strange time to kill him, but it is of note that Fatah has been without a charismatic leader and the Palestinians have lacked a single political leadership due to the rise of Hamas in filling that void.

The Israelis very openly assassinated the Hamas leader Ahmed Yassin in 2004.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/22/israel1

They also posted the assassination of Ahmed al-Jabari in 2012 on YouTube : http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/idf-hamas-youtube/

so fucked up