Gifted Teen Commie (Better Red than spoon fed)

[RedSunrise]

Hello fellow "extremists",

Where are you from, whats the leftist scene there like?

I am from the USA East Coast, so not much going on as far as extreme left. There is, as most know, a small :rolleyes: fight over, "Obama Care"

What are your political ideas, if any?

Classless, Money-less, Government-less Freedom.
(Young Marx)

How did you become a leftist?

I'm in my mid-teens. I am considered "gifted" (Dabrowski's Overexcitabilities). My parents are right wing libritarians (Capitalism, small government, lots of freedom), but I always seemed to push that view to the political extreme. I always thought, "Why stop at small government? We could make everyone free..." Capitalism/Anarchy, after doing some research, doesn't seem to function like it does in your head. Class oppression starts government. How are we to remove classes? Remove money. What does this land us with? Communism (Young Marx style)

To recap: Went sooooo far right, I fell off and landed far left.

As someone who lives with and is forced to interact with crazy theists and capitalists, I have my fair share of struggles, but the liberation of the proletariat is more important then the oppression I feel within my own home. Being a "radical" I expect to meet resistance, but pushing through it is what is important.

I am certainly new to "labeled" communism. I always held most of the beliefs, but only now have begun reading into and studying them. I hope revleft teaches me and I hope my young opinion can probe thoughts from the wisest among us.

Working men of all countries, unite!

Side-Note: I came up with that spin-off of "Better dead than red" What do you think?

[Q]

Welcome :)

If you have political questions, you can ask them in the Learning forum. That's why it's there after all!

If you have questions about your account, don't hesitate to send me a PM or ask here.

[reb]

Class oppression starts government. How are we to remove classes? Remove money. What does this land us with? Communism (Young Marx style)

Eh, not exactly. What ever though. Welcome?

[Fourth Internationalist]

Hello fellow East Coast teenager. Welcome! :)

[Red_Banner]

"Gifted"?

Hah!

Be careful where you ride a high horse.

[Reticential]

Welcome :)


Working men of all countries, unite!


Hope you mean working people :P

[La Guaneña]

Hello, what is your view on a public, universal healthsystem?

[RedSunrise]

Eh, not exactly. What ever though. Welcome?

Thank you?


Hello fellow East Coast teenager. Welcome!

Thank you :)



"Gifted"?

Hah!

Be careful where you ride a high horse.

Be careful and read my post, before you attempt to make "witty" comments.
If you hadn't noticed I put those words in quotes to inform you that they are not my own and far from my own humble opinion... Get off your high horse, and don't cast judgement where there is no blame to be found.


Hope you mean working people :P

Technically yes... Quote from Marx ;) Nice to meet you


Hello, what is your view on a public, universal healthsystem?

That is a difficult question... The USA version taxes companies, but those costs are just passed down by lowering the workers wages. "Free healthcare" but making less money isn't exactly a 100% good thing. If you take the communist manifesto though and think that you need to enter socialism to enter communism it may be worth it. The only problem is is that it is being implanted by the bourgeois not the proletariat, so how much real socialism or how much of a step towards it is debatable....

To summarize: I don't know, but in the current system it doesn't help. In the future? Who can tell. Of course, I wish to be educated as I am an infant in the world of politics

[Sharia Lawn]

I struggle to find a basis on which you are justified in flattering yourself.

[RedSunrise]

I struggle to find a basis on which you are justified in flattering yourself.


Hello fellow "extremists",
I am considered "gifted" and "highly intelligent".

Where do I flatter myself? I struggle to find a basis on which you are justified in making a meaningless post.

"I am considered" not "I consider myself" I simply added that part, because it is what society uses to describe me. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[helot]

Where do I flatter myself? I struggle to find a basis on which you are justified in making a meaningless post.

"I am considered" not "I consider myself" I simply added that part, because it is what society uses to describe me. Nothing more. Nothing less.


Society isn't 5 people ;)


Oh i jest but you must remember that people tend to be put off by others making such claims, it comes across as arrogant.


Anyway, welcome to revleft. Hope you find your stay here insightful.

[RedGuevara]

Haha first I would be humble here. There are people with no college education that are way more intelligent then the average citizen. Be open minded and humble here and you'll learn a lot like I have. Come off all egotistical and you'll get handed your brain on a platter. Welcome and learn much my friend.

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[Remus Bleys]

Welcome redsun. I look forward to any future conversations we may have.



Classless, Money-less, Government-less Freedom.
(Young Marx) Old Marx believed in this too. Both young and old marx believed in the necessity of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Just in case you were thinking that young marx was an anarchist.


I am considered "gifted" and "highly intelligent".
I understand what you mean here. But it sounds like you are trying to establish you are intelligent and gifted, because this is really unnecessary. That is why many people are thinking you are being elitist. This was an unnecessary addition, and if you are intelligent, show it in your posts, don't announce it. To quote Stephen Hawking

People who brag about their IQs are losers.

Capitalism/Anarchy, Not exactly sure what you mean here.

How are we to remove classes? Remove money. What does this land us with? Communism (Young Marx style) Not really. Money is a result of class, not the other way around.


To recap: Went sooooo far right, I fell off and landed far left.
I know you're joking, but this is infantile and rather skewed version of how politics work.

As someone who lives with and is forced to interact with crazy theists and capitalists, I have my fair share of struggles, but the liberation of the proletariat is more important then the oppression I feel within my own home. Being a "radical" I expect to meet resistance, but pushing through it is what is important.Yes. Keep up the good work.


I am certainly new to "labeled" communism. I always held most of the beliefs, but only now have begun reading into and studying them. I hope revleft teaches me and I hope my young opinion can probe thoughts from the wisest among us.
Revleft isn't the best place for that, but it's better than everything else. Keep an open mind.
plus there is only a few bordigists anyway (am I the only one left?)

[RedSunrise]

Haha first I would be humble here. There are people with no college education that are way more intelligent then the average citizen. Be open minded and humble here and you'll learn a lot like I have. Come off all egotistical and you'll get handed your brain on a platter. Welcome and learn much my friend.

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Society isn't 5 people ;)


Oh i jest but you must remember that people tend to be put off by others making such claims, it comes across as arrogant.


Anyway, welcome to revleft. Hope you find your stay here insightful.

Thank you! Nice to meet you both

[RedSunrise]

Welcome redsun. I look forward to any future conversations we may have.

I understand what you mean here. But it sounds like you are trying to establish you are intelligent and gifted, because this is really unnecessary. That is why many people are thinking you are being elitist. This was an unnecessary addition, and if you are intelligent, show it in your posts, don't announce it. To quote Stephen Hawking


Thank you! You are the type of person I wanted to interact with on this forum :) As you can see I have little understanding and need to be educated.....

Actually, I was more going for my personality (Google "Dabrowski's Overexcitabilities") but point taken I will edit my thread (Can't post URL)

[The Idler]

Welcome. I look forward to sharing knowledge with you and you sharing your knowledge.
I suspect you mention Classless, Money-less, Government-less Freedom.
(Young Marx) in an attempt to distinguish yourself from certain 'communists' who are fond of dictatorship. Good work, keep it up.

[Alonso Quijano]

First of all - it's always nice to see a young person who really cares, and wants to learn. I was split between myself for years, only recently I came to define myself as Marxist rather than Anarchist. Do a lot of research and reading, and I would recommend that you use this forum for specific questions, or to ask for recommendations on reading material.



I'm in my mid-teens. I am considered "gifted" (Dabrowski's Overexcitabilities). My parents are right wing libritarians (Capitalism, small government, lots of freedom), but I always seemed to push that view to the political extreme. I always thought, "Why stop at small government? We could make everyone free..." Capitalism/Anarchy, after doing some research, doesn't seem to function like it does in your head. Class oppression starts government. How are we to remove classes? Remove money. What does this land us with? Communism (Young Marx style)

Capitalism, besides its remarkable addiction to crises, is inherently flawed not because "it doesn't work". It's our luck that it doesn't work! If it did work, in the sense of "better living conditions", "equal pay" or whatever, humanity would suck ass, so to say, because people don't notice what they really could gain in Communism: Emancipation of labour. Thanks to its innate tendency to try and commit suicide one every few decades, there is still hope.

Unlike the "Marxism works only in theory" bullshit heard from Capitalists, Marxists oppose Capitalism even in theory. Marxism appeals to the people - Capitalism doesn't. Capitalism decides to rule without the people. Then, as a ruler, convincing them that you are right is much easier. People never really chose Capitalism. It was dictated upon them, the most horrible example in England in the industrial revolution.. Making a shirt used to take a lot of time, and the new machines made it possible to manufacture tons of them. So instead of working with materials supplied from the buyer, and in their own time (as per agreed, probably), the whole family, who used to work together - both the parents, that is - were turned slaves, including their kids. They hated it, the conditions, the time, the pay, the fact that it wasn't their machines - but what could they do? After all the protests, they were left with doing a job that a donkey could (and did, if I'm not mistaken), or to starve. So you see? They had a skill that they used to live from, doing it in their own homes, before the proletarisation. Now they had nothing. They had no control over their work. The industrialists used this to make a shitload of shirts, so that they can always sell something, because it's in stock, and it's cheap anyway. Of course, the shirts were sold for much cheaper prices. So society overall got lower prices, accompanied with lower pay, and hellish conditions. It worked perfectly for the owners of property. Freedom? Yeah, right...

What people don't always notice is that big business may provide cheaper commodities, but it also pays less, and honestly that's not even the point - the point is that you have to convince yourself that there is some moral greatness in you working in jobs offered to you. But there isn't. The capitalists can afford to raise your salary if you stopped working, but you can't, because you have to, because rent is one of those things whose price never goes down. Rent... Another capitalist scheme. You can live in a house forever, but it will stay theirs, according to the bourgeois regime, their courts and their armed forces - just in case they will need them.

A person who isn't extremely dull and convinced that "labour is good!!!!!", can find something to do in his spare time, if he wouldn't have to work. And do athletes play hard for the money, or for their glory? Scientists? Artists, which capitalism turns to whores? Every good thing about humanity is not driven by money. Only the bourgeois is driven by money. The proletariat works in order to live. Otherwise he has no role in society, and a waste of air for them. If you don't work you can starve to death, that's your only meaning for them. Think of all the aspiring musicians who give up or don't have time to practice/write/perform because of capitalism. Think of all the creativity and beauty which are repressed. The thing is, say we're strong enough to enforce a welfare state - that's because we have power in the first place. We should liberate, emancipate ourselves, from the current mode of labour and production.

Money is the only thing that counts in capitalism because that's the only thing there is. I left my previous job at a call-centre because I was angry with the management. I liked the place, and even volunteered to help other guys/girls who worked with me, sometimes staying a bit late, or arriving a bit early. I also made a lot of offers to improve the quality of service, with tier-2 workers who said that it's interesting - but for the management to listen to me, to let me express myself, I must first sell to customers stuff they don't need. I didn't even ask them if they're interested. I didn't care I didn't get the bonus. My only mistake was the think that the organization will appreciate me putting efforts in helping others, in morale, and in service quality. That doesn't count in capitalism. I worked harder than anyone else there, but not on improving the organization's capital - so I was told that it seems to them like I don't take the job seriously, and that I have to sell to stay there. I announced that I leave, because I was honestly hurt. But it was a good experience for me. THAT'S how you learn what capitalism truly is. Not by conforming - but by keeping your human spirit, even risking that metaphorical slap in the face. I was just not capable to sit there like a robot anymore, if the management ignored all my efforts (other workers didn't). That's capitalism for you. I knew it happened, but I'll be damned if I'll become a soulless person who accepts his fate and doesn't give a shit about anyone else. I was willing to accept lower pay as result of not selling. I wasn't willing to accept them taking away my soul and turning me to a mindless disposable worker. I couldn't bear thinking about staying there.

But accepting that is admitting defeat. And I'm refusing to accept life as pointless. As Rosa Luxemburg said - those who don't move don't feel their chains. Those who don't try to act in a different way, ESPECIALLY WHILE ON WORK, and then hear the boss ask "why the hell you care about other people more than your own wages" - that says it all. They told me I have great potential, but they were baffled. They just couldn't win me. They got me to go to work instead of staying home, yes. But they didn't take my spirit and life away. I'm honestly afraid of moving out of my parent's house, let alone I want to have kids someday and can't see how I'll be able to afford it - because then I might have to actually do what they want. And that, that is my biggest fear.

I don't want money, I want to live. What workplaces offer me isn't money, it's a certificate that says that I'm allowed to breath and don't have to be a hungry homeless without support from my parents. That's if I'm lucky.

Karl wrote about that in his essays. If you want I can link you to them. This is one of the main reasons I'm a communist, and why I don't want raises and social benefits, but to change the whole mode of production.

I tell you of this experience because no one told me about it, definitely not from a Marxist point of you, before I experienced it. And it what made me take a deep look into Marx - though always considered myself socialist - because I knew that this thing HAS to be changed. That it's deeper than wage inequality. I can only hope that in future jobs I'll be able to act in the same manner (I put more effort, but felt less exhausted and drained when just doing the scripted job), and that it might rub off to others.

By the way,
I felt just like you, that I was smarter than everyone. From your writing, I do guess that it's not based on nothing. I like that you drive yourself to think because you think you're capable. I did notice the quotation marks, and that you said you're considered and not gifted. If I catch your meaning, it's a form of defense mechanism when daring to say something unconventional, not knowing what the response'll be. It's natural for someone who thinks they're intelligent, whether they are or not, when approaching people you want to discuss serious stuff with.

[Remus Bleys]

I did google the "over excitablities" and I want to know what the fuck pseudo-psychology has to do with anything.

[#FF0000]

Welcome, guy. I was in the "gifted" program back when I was in school too :lol: I dunno what it's like where you are but it seemed to me it's just where they put all the chronic underachievers.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Welcome, buddy.

[Sea]

My parents are right wing libritarians (Capitalism, small government, lots of freedom), but I always seemed to push that view to the political extreme.Lots of freedom? If this includes freedom of speech, I hate to imagine some of the things your parents must say to you.

[Tolstoy]

Yeah, the OP is incredibly arrogant sounding. I will say this once as it is relevant to Revleft, but I have an IQ of 132, making me technically gifted. However, I refuse to conser myself "gifted" as that makes it seem like I think im some higher specimen of humanity, that simply because of my high IQ (which im blessed with in a society that really overvalues raw intelligence) I am better than others, which would be silly.

Sure I can ace a test and write great poetry, but I also find buttoning a shirt ungodly difficult and I still dont know how to put sheets on my bed. While I may be gifted, I am by no means gifted.

(im gifted in other ways however ;))

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

My midochlorian count is 89,000 and my IQ is 230. I'm gifted, too.

[Futility Personified]

Howdy. Ignore the hostility, but be humble! You can learn a lot of interesting things on here if you are willing. I was a little overconfident when I was 15 too, but remember, there's no point in trying to impress anyone on the internet. Sorry to sound patronising. Welcome all the same!

[Red_Banner]

Thank you?



Thank you :)



Be careful and read my post, before you attempt to make "witty" comments.
If you hadn't noticed I put those words in quotes to inform you that they are not my own and far from my own humble opinion... Get off your high horse, and don't cast judgement where there is no blame to be found.



Technically yes... Quote from Marx ;) Nice to meet you



That is a difficult question... The USA version taxes companies, but those costs are just passed down by lowering the workers wages. "Free healthcare" but making less money isn't exactly a 100% good thing. If you take the communist manifesto though and think that you need to enter socialism to enter communism it may be worth it. The only problem is is that it is being implanted by the bourgeois not the proletariat, so how much real socialism or how much of a step towards it is debatable....

To summarize: I don't know, but in the current system it doesn't help. In the future? Who can tell. Of course, I wish to be educated as I am an infant in the world of politics

Yeah but you wave it around like a badge.

Do you think I'm impressed?

[RedSunrise]

Welcome, guy. I was in the "gifted" program back when I was in school too :lol: I dunno what it's like where you are but it seemed to me it's just where they put all the chronic underachievers.

HAHA! :laugh: No for me it is the "Most likely to not be spoon-fed" but I think my mother would agree with your definition.


I did google the "over excitablities" and I want to know what the fuck pseudo-psychology has to do with anything.


Because I possess a large portion of those personality traits... Now you know a large bit of my personality without me having to tell you all of it. "Science" that only works some times can be used sometimes :unsure:


Thank you to everyone else for being so welcoming! :o :wub: