Takeover in Europe?

[EverythingNothing]

As the economic crisis claims it's victims,more and more people resort to the worst alternatives...
This is already taking place in Greece,severly shattered by unemployment,poverty and class struggle,We witness the fascist Golden Dawn taking power (Third most popular party,and in some areas 4 out of 5 members of the law enforcement are members / sympathisers)

As the world glides deeper on the slope,shall we fear fascists/"state capitalist" (aka. Bourgeois Communists) taking power?

Update: I also wanted to add the rise of other 'radical right wingers' like : Marie Le Pen , the German NDP and so on..

[Tim Cornelis]

Some corrections and remarks:

- its victims*

- I don't know where the "4 out of 5 members of the law enforcement are members / sympathisers" comes from but I suspect from some research revealing that in voting stations around police stations Golden Dawn received comparatively more votes than in other districts. The number however was circa 50% (if I remember correctly, somewhere between 40-60%) of police in Athens had voted for Golden Dawn.

- Bourgeois communists is a contradiction (bourgeois socialists is not). The way I use it (which is not universal) is that I consider there to be proletarian socialism (communism) and bourgeois socialism.

- Fascism is not "bourgeois socialism" let alone "bourgeois communism." Nor state-capitalism for that matter. It suggests, I think, that you believe communism to be state ownership and therefore fascism to be communistic -- which is dead wrong.

- Golden Dawn has been losing some of its support (17% in a poll from September -- its peak -- and 7.6% in the a recent poll of 15-16 October -- apart from a pol from July, 7.5%, it's the lowest they've scored since the elections). They will not get into power, at least not any time soon.

I don't believe the extreme right will be gaining power in the present conditions. It lacks sufficient fertile ground for their rise to power, and likewise lacks a legitimising catalyst whereby the people allow them to take power. Additionally, national conservatives like Marine LePenn are or have become accepting of liberal democracy. I don't think that these conditions will change any time soon but I can't predict the future.

[EverythingNothing]

-First of all, for the fascists I meant fascists (Golden Dawn,Noua Dreapta,forza nuova,jobbik,and so on)
For the "bourgeois communism" and "state-capitalists" I meant the communism that was here,in Eastern-Europe (Ceausescu,as in my country)
None of these represent an alternative to the future: In my family I have committed Marxists,and even they told me,amongs many others that was not communism
-Second of all,I don't meant the near future,I agree,We can't predict the future,but history has proved that in times of deep crisis,major increase in poverty,and unemployment,people tend to resort to some joker who promises order and a better word... (See the democratic election of Hitler)

[erupt]

-Second of all,I don't meant the near future,I agree,We can't predict the future,but history has proved that in times of deep crisis,major increase in poverty,and unemployment,people tend to resort to some joker who promises order and a better word... (See the democratic election of Hitler)

When was Hitler elected? He was appointed Chancellor, and had massive popular support, but I don't remember learning he was elected.

Also, you must remember, dictatorships are not always fascist. A dictator coming to power is much more likely than a fascist dictatorship occurring.

[AmilcarCabral]

Hi, for me all humans, black, white, indians, muslims, asians etc. behave according to their surroundings, social and economic conditions. But I've noticed this ultra-right wing xenophobical *racial purity* trend in many countries of this world where the white caucasian population is large or a majority, that there is a trend toward ultra-right wing xenophobic, immigration-phobia, ultra-nationalist trend. For some reason many white people, not only in USA and Europe don't want non-white immigrants into their countries. And I am not talking about whites who are active militants of ultra-right wing political parties (Like the nazi party), I am talking about many whites even in Chile who choose the ultra-right wing xenopbhobic political option, maybe out of economic desperation mixed with feelings of closet-racism. And maybe they have this notion that non-white immigrants are a cause of poverty and economic problems of their own countries.

There was a news on The Russia Today News the other day to support your argument, that white people in Europe are resorting to ultra-right wing nationalist xenophobic political parties as a solution for the economic crisis of many European countries








As the economic crisis claims it's victims,more and more people resort to the worst alternatives...
This is already taking place in Greece,severly shattered by unemployment,poverty and class struggle,We witness the fascist Golden Dawn taking power (Third most popular party,and in some areas 4 out of 5 members of the law enforcement are members / sympathisers)

As the world glides deeper on the slope,shall we fear fascists/"state capitalist" (aka. Bourgeois Communists) taking power?

Update: I also wanted to add the rise of other 'radical right wingers' like : Marie Le Pen , the German NDP and so on..

[Hrafn]

When was Hitler elected? He was appointed Chancellor, and had massive popular support, but I don't remember learning he was elected.

Also, you must remember, dictatorships are not always fascist. A dictator coming to power is much more likely than a fascist dictatorship occurring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_July_1932
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_November_1932
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_March_1933

[erupt]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_July_1932
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_November_1932
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_March_1933

Thank you very much; I suppose my ignorance stems from assuming Hitler just took control, but this is why I asked.

Did he consolidate complete control of Germany once he was elected? Maybe that's where my confusion comes from. By this I mean making Germany a one-party state with the Nazis at the helm, etc. I don't have the time right now to read the articles you posted other than the small summaries at the beginning.

Also, my apologies to EverythingNothing if you took my post as denying your statement. This was not my intention in the slightest.

[Stalinist Speaker]

4 out of 5 members of the law enforcement are members / sympathisers)

Source?

[EverythingNothing]

Amilcar,Wuzhengfu : Thanks,thats what I meant,frogive my chaotic way of expressing myself..
Erupt: It is okay,glad we managed to find the truth !

Stalinist Speaker: I quoted wrong: It said in some areas 1 in 2 cops voted/sympathized with golden dawn ..As I can't post links go to youtube,search this: Who are golden dawn,and go to 4:20 ,but watch the whole video

-And for a party/dictator coming to power with no defining ideology: We already see this in China (which is more capitalistic then the USA,and a strong nomenclatura drowning all forms of opposition,and killing freedom of speech)
also,we see this developing in Russia...I would like to call this "authoritarian capitalism"

[erupt]

-And for a party/dictator coming to power with no defining ideology: We already see this in China (which is more capitalistic then the USA,and a strong nomenclatura drowning all forms of opposition,and killing freedom of speech)
also,we see this developing in Russia...I would like to call this "authoritarian capitalism"

Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Turkey...you're right, there's plenty of capitalist dictatorships.

[Delenda Carthago]

Le Pen and GD are not the same thing.

Not to the political views, not to the stance on immigrants, not to what does they express on the interests of their countries Capital. Le Pen is a brother party(is that what its called?) to Anexartiti Ellines(Indipendet Greeks) of Panos Kammenos.

[Alonso Quijano]

Hi, for me all humans, black, white, indians, muslims, asians etc. behave according to their surroundings, social and economic conditions. But I've noticed this ultra-right wing xenophobical *racial purity* trend in many countries of this world where the white caucasian population is large or a majority, that there is a trend toward ultra-right wing xenophobic, immigration-phobia, ultra-nationalist trend. For some reason many white people, not only in USA and Europe don't want non-white immigrants into their countries. And I am not talking about whites who are active militants of ultra-right wing political parties (Like the nazi party), I am talking about many whites even in Chile who choose the ultra-right wing xenopbhobic political option, maybe out of economic desperation mixed with feelings of closet-racism. And maybe they have this notion that non-white immigrants are a cause of poverty and economic problems of their own countries.

There was a news on The Russia Today News the other day to support your argument, that white people in Europe are resorting to ultra-right wing nationalist xenophobic political parties as a solution for the economic crisis of many European countries
Trust me, you can't tell a Sephardic Jew from a Greek. The Nazis couldn't and that's how some brave Greeks hid Jews.

Light to fair skin (depends on the season), dark hair, and today they don't even speak any Spanish anymore, just Greek.

Obviously it's easy to speak against a non-existent community. Those people probably never even met a Jew in their life.

[Tim Cornelis]

Hi, for me all humans, black, white, indians, muslims, asians etc. behave according to their surroundings, social and economic conditions. But I've noticed this ultra-right wing xenophobical *racial purity* trend in many countries of this world where the white caucasian population is large or a majority, that there is a trend toward ultra-right wing xenophobic, immigration-phobia, ultra-nationalist trend.

I've noticed the exact opposite: that white countries tend to be amongst the most racially tolerant countries in the world. I suspect that your observation stems from 'Eurocentrism', in the sense that when you hear about a racially aggravated assault in the USA you will find it all over the mediums you use (including revleft), but you'll never hear about racist attacks against African students in India while these appear to be far more numerous (given the number of Africans in India versus Africans in the USA). Read this article for example:

http://blackagendareport.com/content/anti-african-racism-india

Or:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/misperception-causing-friction-between-africans-in-india-and-locals/article5330664.ece

Also see this map:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/05/racial-tolerance-map-hk-fix.jpg

If we take this as an indication of overall racism, then North America is the least racist, followed by Latin America, then followed by Europe. South Asia (Bangladesh and India) would be the most racist region and followed by the Middle East and North Africa.



East Asians tend to have negative perceptions of other races as well, and have a very restrictive migration policy (South Korea and Japan).


For some reason many white people, not only in USA and Europe don't want non-white immigrants into their countries. And I am not talking about whites who are active militants of ultra-right wing political parties (Like the nazi party), I am talking about many whites even in Chile who choose the ultra-right wing xenopbhobic political option, maybe out of economic desperation mixed with feelings of closet-racism. And maybe they have this notion that non-white immigrants are a cause of poverty and economic problems of their own countries.

There was a news on The Russia Today News the other day to support your argument, that white people in Europe are resorting to ultra-right wing nationalist xenophobic political parties as a solution for the economic crisis of many European countries

[EverythingNothing]

After I've made this post,we saw several 'manifestations' of the far right,I would like to mention these:
-Far-right groups rioting in Poland,in the event of the Polish Independence Day
-Russian nationalist gatherings

The Polish one was a pretty loud manifestation of this right wing tendency...

We shall be concerned if this phenomenon will spread in this rate..

[EverythingNothing]

Here are some well crafted videos about these extreme right manifestations:

Poland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRNLcAbNSV0

Russia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klkyfbnS0TA

another one from Russia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNGmebM6To8

Greece:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsJYzvHz6Bs