Two things

[Ocean Seal]

Two things
1. Are the reasons that people care so much about their sports team invariably related to class?

2. Is shoplifting a bit like recycling in the way that much like recycling won't stop global warming and shoplifting won't stop capitalism, but as a responsible environmentalist/leftist you see the value in the tiny bit of help that you give?
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[Halert]

I don't see how shoplifting undermines capitalism in the slightest. Can you explain how that would work? I see how recycling helps stopping global warming slightly.

[erupt]

1. Are the reasons that people care so much about their sports team invariably related to class?

2. Is shoplifting a bit like recycling in the way that much like recycling won't stop global warming and shoplifting won't stop capitalism, but as a responsible environmentalist/leftist you see the value in the tiny bit of help that you give?

Caring for sports teams stems from nationalism (and/or regionalism) more than class-consciousness, although class might have something to do with some people's reasoning for liking a certain team (a good example would be the Pittsburgh Steelers compared to the Miami Dolphins in American football).

Shoplifting won't hurt capitalism in the slightest. Retailers have insurance for petty-theft, if I'm not mistaken. However, somebody stealing baby food, cereal, etc., to feed others or themselves, is most understandable. It's just not harmful to capitalism.

[DDR]

1. Are the reasons that people care so much about their sports team invariably related to class?

No, for instance our president cares a lot (more than about the spanish peoples for sure :P) about his football (soccer) team, but choice of team sometimes is related to class. Even though I think that sports are today's bread and circus.



2. Is shoplifting a bit like recycling in the way that much like recycling won't stop global warming and shoplifting won't stop capitalism, but as a responsible environmentalist/leftist you see the value in the tiny bit of help that you give?

Why shoplifting while you can do this?

http://www.elinfluyente.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/SAT_supermercado.jpg

Arround 200 syndicalists stormed a supermarket, expropiating products of first need who were latter given to a squated house, property of a bank, squated by evicted people.

[erupt]

Arround 200 syndicalists stormed a supermarket, expropiating products of first need who were latter given to a squated house, property of a bank, squated by evicted people.

That's so awesome. Is this Marinaleda? I know something along those lines happened there, as well, concerning the supermarket raids.

[DDR]

That's so awesome. Is this Marinaleda? I know something along those lines happened there, as well, concerning the supermarket raids.

It's just that but the location it's wrong. See, the supermarket raid happened in Écija, there was present Sánchez Gordillo (mayor of Marinaleda) and the stuff was given to La Corrala de la Utopía in Seville.

[Ocean Seal]

Caring for sports teams stems from nationalism (and/or regionalism) more than class-consciousness, although class might have something to do with some people's reasoning for liking a certain team (a good example would be the Pittsburgh Steelers compared to the Miami Dolphins in American football).
This is what I was getting at.


Shoplifting won't hurt capitalism in the slightest. Retailers have insurance for petty-theft, if I'm not mistaken. However, somebody stealing baby food, cereal, etc., to feed others or themselves, is most understandable. It's just not harmful to capitalism.
Yes, but you force them to pay for insurance.


No, for instance our president cares a lot (more than about the spanish peoples for sure :P) about his football (soccer) team, but choice of team sometimes is related to class. Even though I think that sports are today's bread and circus.
Yeah what I was thinking is that certain teams have a very particular type of fan-which I thought might be correlated to class.





Why shoplifting while you can do this?

http://www.elinfluyente.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/SAT_supermercado.jpg

Arround 200 syndicalists stormed a supermarket, expropiating products of first need who were latter given to a squated house, property of a bank, squated by evicted people.
I don't have friends with the same interests as me :crying:

[Ele'ill]

I think some of us shoplift because we're poor and it does undermine capital.

[RedMaterialist]

Technically, shoplifting is theft, the taking of something that belongs to another. But, as Marx said, "...theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses."
If the masses come to understand that the products in a private, capitalist owned supermarket actually is their product which has been appropriated from them, then the above scene would be repeated 10x over.

As far as football teams, I think it is more an expression of tribalism. Natives used to call their tribes and clans the names of animals, like bears, eagles, etc.