So,Iran?

[RedMoslem]

So,Comrades,what do you all think about the Islamic Republic of Iran.
I guess they are useful to an extent that they officially oppose the U.S, although they trade ;)
How they execute political opponents and homosexuals is IMO the sickest thing they do. I doubt that they have a Nuke,but the possibility remains.

[ВАЛТЕР]

A bourgeois state like any other. Theocratic and reactionary, and an enemy of the working class. It is not our friend. It seems that it is next on the chopping block when it comes to US imperialism (which should no doubt be opposed). However, opposition to the US doesn't mean that we support the Iranian state. We don't have a dog in the fight, and as far as I know there is not a real revolutionary movement in Iran as of now.

Also, let them have a nuke if it means that it will deter possible attacks in which only proletariat will die.

[Comrade Jacob]

They have my praise on anti-imperialist grounds but they are backwards and capitalist.

[Hrafn]

Shah and Ayatollah should swing alike. No difference. They're not useful in anti-Imperialism, except from dogmatic Americo- and Euro-centric perspectives.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

People who defend Iran as 'allies' of left due to anti-imperialism alone have clearly never lived in Iran, have never experienced the terrors faced by radical leftist movements under both shah and islamist rule.

Iran is a right-wing despotic hellhole that executes leftists. Just because it is opposed to America, which happens to be looking for war, does not suddenly expunge the country of being a reactionary force. The only people who think like that are hack leftists who A) live outside Iran and B) believe in childish insanities of false-dichotomy between the politics of opposed countries.

Trust me when I say this. The majority of the communist left in Iran do not share your 'praise' of the country, particularly because they have been executed and had their families hunted down and killed since the advent of the Shah and later the islamic revolution. That and Iran's government is right-wing as hell.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Pretty lame, to be brief about it.

[Rafiq]

A backward, reactionary state even by neoliberal standards.

What do you mean they trade? Do you think socialism is the capitalist mode of production isolated into a single geographic territory? You have a backward understanding of socialism, perhaps even a reactionary one. The fact that you defile Lenins portrait with the Muslim crescent shows me your religion is more than private, therefore, you're an Islamist, therefore you're a counter revolutionary who has no place here.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

Revolutionaries shouldn't conflate 'opposing US imperialism' with 'supporting the reactionary nation states that US imperialism threatens'.

[helot]

A backward, reactionary state even by neoliberal standards.

What do you mean they trade? Do you think socialism is the capitalist mode of production isolated into a single geographic territory? You have a backward understanding of socialism, perhaps even a reactionary one. The fact that you defile Lenins portrait with the Muslim crescent shows me your religion is more than private, therefore, you're an Islamist, therefore you're a counter revolutionary who has no place here.


Jeez, just because someone's a Muslim and has an avatar with the crescent on doesn't mean they're an Islamist. The image of Lenin says more about their counter-revolutionary nature than the crescent ;)

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

A backward, reactionary state even by neoliberal standards.

What do you mean they trade? Do you think socialism is the capitalist mode of production isolated into a single geographic territory? You have a backward understanding of socialism, perhaps even a reactionary one. The fact that you defile Lenins portrait with the Muslim crescent shows me your religion is more than private, therefore, you're an Islamist, therefore you're a counter revolutionary who has no place here.

Yeah! How dare you besmirch and desecrate the image of Lenin with your blasphemous celestial bullshitery! Who do you think you are!? You might as well squat over Lenin's mummy, mmkay, pull down your pants, maybe pullin your buttcheeks apart with your hands, mmkay and lay big fudge dragon right on Lenin's face, mmkay!

I have heard tho, on a positive note, Iran's pretty cool with transsexuality, oddly enough.

[hashem]

I guess they are useful to an extent that they officially oppose the U.S Nazi Germany opposed USA too. did that made it ''useful''? countries like Iran never oppose capitalism system. they oppose current leaders of this system in order to take their positions.

[hashem]

The majority of the communist left in Iran do not share your 'praise' of the country no minority praises the government either. the kind of people who praise such governments can only be found in USA, England or countries which opportunism has its deepest roots in them. in countries with a strong worker movements and communist organizations, such views are considered stupid or ultra reactionary.

[Goblin]

Communists are frequently arrested over there. Fuck Iran.

[DasFapital]

Iran is pretty reactionary but not as bad as America's ol pal Saudi Arabia. At least Iran makes an effort to have corrupt elections. And also they are ok with transsexuals as long as they get reassignment surgery. Of course forcing them to get surgery in order be accepted is still pretty fucked up.

[RedMoslem]

A backward, reactionary state even by neoliberal standards.

What do you mean they trade? Do you think socialism is the capitalist mode of production isolated into a single geographic territory? You have a backward understanding of socialism, perhaps even a reactionary one. The fact that you defile Lenins portrait with the Muslim crescent shows me your religion is more than private, therefore, you're an Islamist, therefore you're a counter revolutionary who has no place here.
According to the U.S Department of Commerce,the US exports various goods to Iran.
I'd love to post the link but my post needs to be 25 so that I can post it.
No I'm not an Islamist or do I think that Iran is socialist,to me Iran is a backwards reactionary capitalist country like many others.
No I do not think Socialism is the capitalist mode of production isolated into a single geographic territory,where did I even state that?
There's no need to accuse me of being a Islamist just because I'm a Muslim.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Jeez, just because someone's a Muslim and has an avatar with the crescent on doesn't mean they're an Islamist. The image of Lenin says more about their counter-revolutionary nature than the crescent ;)

How exactly was Lenin a 'counter-revolutionary'? I didn't think even groups of left-coms and libertarian socialists that are at odds with him, took such a quack position.


According to the U.S Department of Commerce,the US exports various goods to Iran.

Would it be possible for you to post the keywords that would lead to the webpage? I'm surprised and would be interested in reading about that - the embargo on Iran is pretty damn tight.

[RedMoslem]

The link is on the census.gov website-foreign trade,just type in Iran in the search bar and you'll find Foreign Trade-U.S Trade with Iran.
Trade isn't what it used to be but it's largely increasing in exports to Iran,while Imports from Iran are minimal.While U.S used to import alot from Iran before but not so much today.

[helot]

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How exactly was Lenin a 'counter-revolutionary'? I didn't think even groups of left-coms and libertarian socialists that are at odds with him, took such a quack position.


I wasn't being serious with that part of the comment tbh with you.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Nazi Germany opposed USA too. did that made it ''useful''? countries like Iran never oppose capitalism system. they oppose current leaders of this system in order to take their positions.

Actually, yes, ultimately it did, after the war the CIA recruited a top level Nazi, Major General Reinhard Gehlen and his intelligence officers and used them against the Soviets. The US recruited a lot of known Nazi war criminals like this following the war.

[Hrafn]

Actually, yes, ultimately it did, after the war the CIA recruited a top level Nazi, Major General Reinhard Gehlen and his intelligence officers and used them against the Soviets. The US recruited a lot of known Nazi war criminals like this following the war.

... your argument in favour of Nazi Germany being useful to anti-imperialism is that the US post-war recruited war criminals?

:huh:

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

... your argument in favour of Nazi Germany being useful to anti-imperialism is that the US post-war recruited war criminals?

:huh:

No, I was reading the question like "were Nazis ever useful to the US?" I forgot about the context of the thread, my bads.