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31st October 2013, 17:44
One morning in November 2010, an ambulance brought a woman who was 15 weeks pregnant to the emergency room at Sierra Vista Regional Health Center, 70 miles outside Tucson, Arizona. She had been carrying twins and had miscarried one at home in the bathtub. The chances of the second fetus making it were "minuscule," Dr. Robert Holder, the OB-GYN on call that day, later recalled in an affidavit (http://www.motherjones.com/documents/798242-dr-robert-holder-affidavit). He told the woman and her husband that trying to continue the pregnancy would put her at risk of severe bleeding and infection. In short, she needed an emergency abortion.
But there was a problem: Sierra Vista was in the midst of a trial merger with a Catholic hospital company, Carondelet Health Network, which required its doctors to abide by the church's ethical and religious directives. Hospital administrators told Holder that because the surviving fetus still had a heartbeat, he could not perform an abortion. Holder had to send the patient to a hospital in Tucson—a three-hour delay that he believed put her at risk for life-threatening complications.
The doctors at Sierra Vista aren't the only ones to struggle with submitting their medical decisions to a higher authority. A growing number of patients are finding their health care options governed by the church's guidelines as Catholic hospitals, long major players in the health care market, have been on a merger streak, acquiring everything from local hospital systems to medical practices, nursing homes, and health insurance plans.
Between 2001 and 2011, the number of American hospitals affiliated with the Catholic Church grew 16 percent, even as the number of public hospitals and secular nonprofit hospitals dropped 31 percent and 12 percent, respectively, according to an upcoming report by the American Civil Liberties Union and MergerWatch, a nonprofit that tracks religious health care mergers. In 2012, Catholic hospitals and health care systems were involved in 24 mergers or acquisitions, according to Irving Levin Associates, a market research firm. Ten of the 25 largest nonprofit hospital systems (http://www.beckershospitalreview.com/lists/25-largest-non-profit-hospital-systems.html) in the country are Catholic, and Catholic hospitals care for 1 in 6 (http://www.chausa.org/docs/default-source/general-files/mini_profile-pdf.pdf?sfvrsn=0) American patients. In at least eight states, 30 percent or more of patient admissions are at Catholic facilities.


Catholic hospitals are required to follow health care directives (http://motherjones.com/documents/798243-ethical-religious-directives-catholic-health) handed down by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops (http://www.usccb.org/about/bishops-and-dioceses/index.cfm)—a group of celibate older men who have become increasingly conservative over the past few decades. (Recall the bishops' ongoing showdown (http://www.usccb.org/news/2012/12-026.cfm) with the White House over Obamacare's requirement that health insurance plans cover contraception.) The issues go far beyond abortion. The bishops' directives restrict how doctors in Catholic hospitals may treat everything from miscarriages to terminal illness. How this treatment differs (http://www.nwlc.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/ibis_factsheet_final.pdf) from that of secular hospitals is not always disclosed (http://www.mergerwatch.org/disclosure/) to patients.
"When you go into a hospital or an ER, you do not think that there's a bishop between you and your doctor," says Linda McCarthy, CEO of a Planned Parenthood branch in western Washington. In 2010, Peter Sartain, a prominent bishop recently enlisted by the church to crack down on nuns deemed too liberal, was appointed to the Seattle diocese. Not long afterward, he told the Catholic hospital in McCarthy's area to stop performing lab work for Planned Parenthood that the hospital had handled for at least a decade, including tests unrelated to abortion, such as cholesterol screenings. McCarthy publicized the demand and the hospital backed off, for the time being.
"The Catholic bishops are seizing an opportunity to control the health care we all pay for, and they're being wildly successful," says Monica Harrington, the co-chair of Washington Women for Choice. A spate of proposed deals could leave Catholic facilities accounting for 50 percent of the state's hospital admissions. "We could very well end up with three conservative bishops overseeing health care for 6 million people," McCarthy says.
Abortion services are always quick to go when a Catholic hospital takes over, but the changes go much further. In many cases, doctors are prohibited from prescribing birth control, and hospital pharmacies won't sell it. Doctors may even be told not to counsel patients about it. Catholic hospitals have been reluctant to offer emergency contraception to rape victims, and when they do, they first require a pregnancy test to ensure the woman was not pregnant before the assault. The bishops' guidelines forbid tubal ligations and vasectomies. They also extend to end-of-life care: Catholic hospitals may ignore patients' requests to be removed from feeding tubes or life support, even if those wishes are expressed in living wills. And many states (https://www.aclu.org/maps/non-discrimination-laws-state-state-information-map) allow religious hospitals to discriminate (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/who-would-jesus-fire/Content?oid=16348670) against gays and lesbians, both as employees and as patients.


Dr. Bruce Silva, an OB-GYN at Sierra Vista, remembers that during his hospital's trial merger, church officials told doctors they could give chemotherapy to a pregnant woman with breast cancer, "even though you know it will kill the baby—but you can't give her a termination before, because that would kill the baby directly." Sierra Vista ultimately rejected the merger.
Catholic hospitals' treatment of miscarriage often diverges from the generally accepted standards of care followed in secular hospitals, according to Lori Freedman, an assistant professor of obstetrics at the University of California-San Francisco who published a study (http://www.ansirh.org/_documents/library/freedman_ajob2013.pdf) on the subject in 2012. Doctors told her about being forced to wait to intervene until a woman was at life-threatening risk. "We often tell patients that we can't do anything in the hospital but watch you get infected," one said.
The church also won't allow doctors to terminate ectopic pregnancies (http://www.aafp.org/afp/2000/0215/p1080.html) until a woman is in mortal danger. In these pregnancies, the embryo implants outside of the uterus, most often in a fallopian tube, where it grows and can rupture the tube, potentially causing fatal bleeding. The bishops consider ending these unviable pregnancies a "direct abortion" unless a woman's life is immediately at risk. A doctor quoted in a recent study commissioned by the National Women's Law Center (NWLC) reported seeing several near-fatal tubal ruptures at her Catholic-affiliated hospital.
Despite the dangers such policies pose to patients, Catholic hospitals often do not explain them to patients, and hospitals have fought efforts to require disclosure. The NWLC has accused Catholic hospitals (http://www.nwlc.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/nwlc_cms_complaint_jan_2011.pdf) of ignoring "their legal obligations to disclose all treatment options" under Medicare and Medicaid. As a result, "women don't always know what has happened," says Kelli Garcia, senior counsel at the NWLC. "So if their tube ruptures, they don't necessarily know that they could have had different treatment—because what happens within the Catholic hospitals, not only are they not providing treatment, they also aren't providing information about the treatment." The conference of bishops and the Catholic Health Association, which represents more than 600 hospitals, did not respond to requests for comment.
Even doctors who help women get pregnant are affected by the bishops' guidelines, which ban any infertility treatment that "separates procreation from the marital act." That includes in vitro fertilization, artificial insemination, or the use of donor eggs or sperm. Dr. Michael Thomas, a reproductive endocrinologist, had to close his practice in Kentucky and move across the river to the University of Cincinnati after the hospital he was affiliated with merged with (http://www.stelizabeth.com/history.aspx) a Catholic institution. Thomas says many people didn't realize the merger would affect not just abortion, but "a couple's ability to get pregnant in the state of Kentucky."


What happens if hospitals refuse to follow the bishops' directives? In 2009, doctors at St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center in Phoenix performed a life-saving abortion (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126985072) for a seriously ill mother of four. Afterward, the city's bishop excommunicated a nun on the ethics committee who had approved the procedure. He then demanded that the hospital sign an agreement (https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/EMTALA-_ACLU_CMS_Follow_Up_Letter-St__Joseph-_12-22-2010_FINAL.pdf) promising to never again provide emergency abortion care, even when a woman's life was at risk. Hospital administrators believed the agreement violated a federal law requiring hospitals to provide emergency treatment and refused to sign, so the bishop stripped the facility of its Catholic affiliation. The following year, a bishop revoked the Catholic status of a hospital in Bend, Oregon (http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/tip_of_the_iceberg_for_church-backed_hospitals/), that refused to stop performing tubal ligations.
In the face of blocked (http://www.nrtoday.com/news/5912919-113/peacehealth-chi-health-based) deals (http://www.mergerwatch.org/mergerwatch-news/2012/10/15/its-official-waterbury-hospital-merger-called-off.html) and growing opposition (http://www.mergerwatch.org/mergerwatch-news/2012/1/3/louisville-merger-blocked-by-governor.html) from women's and civil liberties groups, some hospital officials have downplayed the mergers' impact on reproductive care, even arguing that Planned Parenthood will take up the slack. A Washington hospital actually built a $2 million PP facility (http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppgnw/PPGNW-and-Swedish-Work-Together-32833.htm) next door to facilitate its merger with a Catholic hospital. But Planned Parenthood can't replace hospitals for medically sensitive abortions, says Sheila Reynertson, the advocacy coordinator at MergerWatch: "They're in the hospital for a reason."
In the end, hospital mergers have allowed the bishops to accomplish in practice what they haven't been able to achieve through the political process: making abortion and contraception harder to access. In Wisconsin, for example, where nearly 30 percent of hospitals are Catholic, the Legislature passed a law (http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/81__opinion__order.pdf) requiring doctors who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a local hospital. Because Catholic hospitals haven't granted those privileges on religious grounds, many of the state's abortion providers will not be able to meet the new requirements.
These types of conflicts will only grow as the merger trend continues. "Pretty soon, people may find that the only hospitals in their area are Catholic. And, regardless of their own religious beliefs, they will be unable to get the care they need," says the NWLC's Garcia. "It is going to be a real wake-up call."


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/10/catholic-hospitals-bishops-contraception-abortion-health-care


Very frightening.

Sea
31st October 2013, 20:11
Fucking sick. But at least the new pope is "progressive", right? :rolleyes:

Sinister Intents
31st October 2013, 20:20
Very fucking disgusting. Fuck the Catholic church, fuck the pope.

Red_Banner
31st October 2013, 20:32
Not around here.

The RCC aroud here is going broke.

They sold all their hospitals around here except for the Saint Joseph's Center which primarily takes care of the mentally disabled.

boiler
31st October 2013, 22:59
The Catholic church should be banned through out the world and the last pope should be publicly executed. And the vatican should be used to house the homeless, or else set on fire so the homeless can get a bit of heat during the winter :) .

I heard this new pope is ok he gave his personal harley davidson motor bike to a charity so the charity could use it as a prize in a raffle :rolleyes:

Bostana
31st October 2013, 23:19
the last pope should be publicly executed.
That's fucked up


And the vatican should be used to house the homeless, or else set on fire so the homeless can get a bit of heat during the winter :) .

But this is a good idea

boiler
31st October 2013, 23:48
That's fucked up

Your right it is fuck up, I didnt really mean it, its just the anger I have for the man and the Catholic Church . Pope John Paul was a bastard to, just to add that in lol

Sea
1st November 2013, 08:13
Very fucking disgusting. Fuck the Catholic church, fuck the pope.Homosexually and with a condom.

Sendo
1st November 2013, 14:11
Don't act like the Catholics are any worse than the other Christians, please. Yes the Catholic church has rooted out liberation theology, excommunicated all Commies, participated at Jasenovac concentration camp, but the reason they're targeted by name is because the Protestants are split into scores of smaller groups, but the truly worst evangelicals are invariably Protestant and it was one of the Baptist groups that supported the second Gulf War when the Catholics opposed it. The mega churches on TV are all Protestant, so I don't get this singling out of Catholics. There have also been paedophiles at Protestant parishes, but again, it's fragmented among different groups. The Catholics swing extra conservative at many points, but they have upheld evolution and salvation through goodness over belief for decades.

Growing up nominally Catholic and going to a Catholic school then switching to a "secular" state school in a Protestant town, I can tell you from experience that Prods tend to be bigger nuts. My HS one year even had the highest pregnancy rate in NYS and we were a cracker suburb school (as in not an exploited/neglected inner-city or ethnic area or rural outpost). I'd say that the Catholics were far more likely to be friends with Jews as well. Anecdotal yes, but surveys show that Catholics are the most like Jews in that they view their faith as some ritual they just do and are most open to tolerance of other faiths.

Catholics are far above Jews and Muslims and atheists in the social hierarchy, but far below Protestants still. One Catholic pres and that's it. It's pretty telling.Make your attack on religion or on Christianity, but this "grr Catholics!" is so passe. I don't go around saying "Grr! Those Shiaa Muslims!" as if Sunni are better. I just criticize the Abrahamic religions as a whole for their sexist bullshit.

I know it's a minor "oppression" but it's real. My grandfather ran for Congress in Western NY and was very popular and involved in the community and was running for the Dems just so they wouldn't have the Repubs go unopposed again. His campaign was short on money and a joke from the start (GOP ruled uninterrupted for 100 years and he was facing a billionaire by today's dollars who was redistricted to carry this area. He was the incumbent so to speak after census redistricting), but my grandfather got 26% of the vote, the second time he got 28%. The GOP guy faced a right wing splinter party next time and got 85% of the vote with no Dem opposition. I just checked the guy's wealth again. He's easily the richest office holder in US history. Admittedly people like Reagan and Bush raised more money for their campaigns, but as an individual he's the richest.

My grandfather lost in part because he was a Catholic. He was told by people on the campaign trail that they liked him better in every single way, but couldn't bring themselves to vote for a non-Christian (in their minds Catholics may as well have been Hindus). This is in the 90s mind you.

Quit acting like Catholics are somehow especially worthy of scorn. I've had Prod neighbours believe I was destined for hell because I wasn't the right faith and thus automatically damned, but all their sins and drunk driving would wash away when paid that tithe to the minister.

Who pays hundreds of millions in PACs? Who runs "faith-based initiatives" at privatized prisons? Who made the Air force Academy virulently anti-Semitic and evangelical?

* * *

Replace the Catholic Church with Judaism in the thread contents and see if it gibes. To me, this is just going after an easy target.

Legitimate criticisms of the Catholics include pointing out their insufferable neutrality in recent intl cnflicts and blaming the victims as well as their recent backpedaling and humming and hawing over Intelligent Design. Rape fantasies are not valid criticisms.

Flying Purple People Eater
1st November 2013, 14:36
I agree with Sendo. Most catholic fundies here don't even come close to the psychotic Protestant jihadists that dot America.

boiler
1st November 2013, 15:59
Don't act like the Catholics are any worse than the other Christians, please. Yes the Catholic church has rooted out liberation theology, excommunicated all Commies, participated at Jasenovac concentration camp, but the reason they're targeted by name is because the Protestants are split into scores of smaller groups, but the truly worst evangelicals are invariably Protestant and it was one of the Baptist groups that supported the second Gulf War when the Catholics opposed it. The mega churches on TV are all Protestant, so I don't get this singling out of Catholics. There have also been paedophiles at Protestant parishes, but again, it's fragmented among different groups. The Catholics swing extra conservative at many points, but they have upheld evolution and salvation through goodness over belief for decades.

Growing up nominally Catholic and going to a Catholic school then switching to a "secular" state school in a Protestant town, I can tell you from experience that Prods tend to be bigger nuts. My HS one year even had the highest pregnancy rate in NYS and we were a cracker suburb school (as in not an exploited/neglected inner-city or ethnic area or rural outpost). I'd say that the Catholics were far more likely to be friends with Jews as well. Anecdotal yes, but surveys show that Catholics are the most like Jews in that they view their faith as some ritual they just do and are most open to tolerance of other faiths.

Catholics are far above Jews and Muslims and atheists in the social hierarchy, but far below Protestants still. One Catholic pres and that's it. It's pretty telling.Make your attack on religion or on Christianity, but this "grr Catholics!" is so passe. I don't go around saying "Grr! Those Shiaa Muslims!" as if Sunni are better. I just criticize the Abrahamic religions as a whole for their sexist bullshit.

I know it's a minor "oppression" but it's real. My grandfather ran for Congress in Western NY and was very popular and involved in the community and was running for the Dems just so they wouldn't have the Repubs go unopposed again. His campaign was short on money and a joke from the start (GOP ruled uninterrupted for 100 years and he was facing a billionaire by today's dollars who was redistricted to carry this area. He was the incumbent so to speak after census redistricting), but my grandfather got 26% of the vote, the second time he got 28%. The GOP guy faced a right wing splinter party next time and got 85% of the vote with no Dem opposition. I just checked the guy's wealth again. He's easily the richest office holder in US history. Admittedly people like Reagan and Bush raised more money for their campaigns, but as an individual he's the richest.

My grandfather lost in part because he was a Catholic. He was told by people on the campaign trail that they liked him better in every single way, but couldn't bring themselves to vote for a non-Christian (in their minds Catholics may as well have been Hindus). This is in the 90s mind you.

Quit acting like Catholics are somehow especially worthy of scorn. I've had Prod neighbours believe I was destined for hell because I wasn't the right faith and thus automatically damned, but all their sins and drunk driving would wash away when paid that tithe to the minister.

Who pays hundreds of millions in PACs? Who runs "faith-based initiatives" at privatized prisons? Who made the Air force Academy virulently anti-Semitic and evangelical?

* * *

Replace the Catholic Church with Judaism in the thread contents and see if it gibes. To me, this is just going after an easy target.

Legitimate criticisms of the Catholics include pointing out their insufferable neutrality in recent intl cnflicts and blaming the victims as well as their recent backpedaling and humming and hawing over Intelligent Design. Rape fantasies are not valid criticisms.

In Ireland the Catholic religion is the main religion. The Catholic church ran the southern part of Ireland for decades. In that time the church tortured, molested and jailed children, women that became pregnant outside of marriage, homosexuals and many, many, many other victims and crimes. And after all these horrendous crimes were committed by priests, nuns, christian brothers, etc. The Catholic church and the Garda tried to have it all covered up. And it was not only the Catholic church in Ireland that tried covering up, it went all the way to Rome, to the pope.
But I think you are right about other organized religions being as bad if not worse than the Catholic religion. But in Ireland the Catholic church is to blame for many horrendous and evil acts.

BIXX
1st November 2013, 17:08
And the vatican should be used to house the homeless, or else set on fire so the homeless...

Holy shit I had to re-read this, I thought you said, "An the vatican should be used to house the homeless, or else set fire to the homeless..." hahaha.

On another note, fuck the church. What total pieces of shit.

No Gods, No Masters.

ÑóẊîöʼn
6th November 2013, 19:51
Homosexually and with a condom.

Indeed, you wouldn't want to catch anything.

Jay NotApplicable
6th March 2014, 14:28
It's sad that this happened. But I think some people get carried away and use rare instances like this to argue in favor of abortion. I'm pro-life, but I'm not interested in changing politics regarding abortion. I'm only interested in people knowing the truth about abortion.

ArisVelouxiotis
6th March 2014, 14:58
The Catholic church should be banned through out the world and the last pope should be publicly executed. And the vatican should be used to house the homeless, or else set on fire so the homeless can get a bit of heat during the winter :) .

I heard this new pope is ok he gave his personal harley davidson motor bike to a charity so the charity could use it as a prize in a raffle :rolleyes:

Mls please stop dreaming of public executions.

Sinister Intents
6th March 2014, 15:20
It's sad that this happened. But I think some people get carried away and use rare instances like this to argue in favor of abortion. I'm pro-life, but I'm not interested in change politics regarding abortion. I'm only interested in people knowing the truth about abortion.

You're pro life? And on a revolutionary left forum? Pro life isn't applicable to revolutionary politics. I'm very Pro abortion and I'm a feminist.
Edit: oh yeah this is OI

Jay NotApplicable
6th March 2014, 15:29
Pro life isn't applicable to revolutionary politics.

Lol. I'm pretty sure I can make up my own mind on that. I think being pro-life is a big part of revolutionary politics. That's just my opinion though. You're free to disagree. I just think it's silly to make such a statement, as if you own the phrase "revolutionary politics."

Sinister Intents
6th March 2014, 15:32
Lol. I'm pretty sure I can make up my own mind on that. I think being pro-life is a big part of revolutionary politics. That's just my opinion though. You're free to disagree. I just think it's silly to make such a statement, as if you own the phrase "revolutionary politics."

Why aren't you pro choice? Pro life is NOT a part of revolutionary politics, and you will only find pro choice people here. I'm pro choice, fuck pro life.

BIXX
6th March 2014, 15:48
Lol. I'm pretty sure I can make up my own mind on that. I think being pro-life is a big part of revolutionary politics. That's just my opinion though. You're free to disagree. I just think it's silly to make such a statement, as if you own the phrase "revolutionary politics."


Prove the being pro-life doesn't oppress women. Until you can do that fuck off we have more important shit to do.

Sinister Intents
6th March 2014, 15:48
Homosexually and with a condom.

Spiked for his satanic displeasure.

Jay NotApplicable
6th March 2014, 16:19
Prove the being pro-life doesn't oppress women. Until you can do that fuck off we have more important shit to do.

In what way does my being pro-life have anything to do with oppressing women?

BIXX
6th March 2014, 16:20
Ok now I can't tell if you're a troll or fucking stupid.

Jay NotApplicable
6th March 2014, 16:22
Ok now I can't tell if you're a troll or fucking stupid.
My question still stands.

Jay NotApplicable
6th March 2014, 16:23
In what way does my being pro-life have anything to do with oppressing women?

Sinister Intents
6th March 2014, 16:27
In what way does my being pro-life have anything to do with oppressing women?

Saying that they don't have the 'choice' to get an abortion whether a man or the state is saying that they cannot get it. Usually the religious state makes a law and a women who is raped and doesn't want the child must find other methods of getting an abortion, and if she's caught she'll be imprisoned or worse for getting an illegal (and potentially dangerous abortion) Abortion needs to be legal for women, it's their fucking body, their fucking choice, not yours asshole.

Jay NotApplicable
6th March 2014, 16:36
Saying that they don't have the 'choice' to get an abortion whether a man or the state is saying that they cannot get it.

I don't remember ever saying that they shouldn't have a choice. When did I say that? I told you already, I'm not interested in changing politics regarding abortion. I'm only interested in convincing people not to have abortions because I believe it's the destruction of an innocent human life in most circumstances.

Sinister Intents
6th March 2014, 16:39
I think it's rather daft to consider abortion 'destruction of an innocent human life' abortion is not murder.