Well friends, goodbye!

[Bolshevika]

I regret to inform you that I will not be returning to Che-lives. I know, it is a victory for you revisionist scumbags and Trotksyist robots, it is a victory for all you pigs that restricted me to this board, but, what can I do?

I just hope all of you live who took part in my, and my comrades, restrictions live horrible miserable lives, especially the admins. The admins should drop dead for their autocratic escapades and defying general che-lives opinion. For the rest of you that sided with me, thank you and goodbye. This board blows, I am going to concentrate on my own board more http://workersunite.proboards19.com/index.cgi

Peace.

[SonofRage]

:D

[Hampton]

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[Monty Cantsin]

all can say is i dont agree with restricting but that board theirs no one there why would you go to that.

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 04:58 AM
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
BU BYE!

[Monty Cantsin]

Che Guevara was a Trotskyist were did you get that from?

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Goodbye comrade!

[RedCeltic]

I just hope all of you live who took part in my, and my comrades, restrictions live horrible miserable lives

Spoken like a true leftist. :rolleyes:

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 04:46 AM
I regret to inform you that I will not be returning to Che-lives. I know, it is a victory for you revisionist scumbags and Trotksyist robots, it is a victory for all you pigs that restricted me to this board, but, what can I do?

I just hope all of you live who took part in my, and my comrades, restrictions live horrible miserable lives, especially the admins. The admins should drop dead for their autocratic escapades and defying general che-lives opinion. For the rest of you that sided with me, thank you and goodbye. This board blows, I am going to concentrate on my own board more http://workersunite.proboards19.com/index.cgi

Peace.
oh, he got his feeling hurt.
wishing miserable lifes to the admins? just because you got restricted?

"oh no im restricted, now my life is over" you and the other 2 persons on that message board you created can praise stalin all day long their, have fun :P

[Comrade Zeke]

I may have hated you Stalinist Ideals but you were fun to debate with!!
COMRADES forever Bolshevika!
Comrade Zeke :lol:

[The Feral Underclass]

he'll probably re-register under a different name.....he wont stay away for long

[RedAnarchist]

Cant do that - his IP address can easily be tracked

[Valishin]

I have been wondering, what is the purpose of restricting people? Seems sort of counter productive. Isn't the idea of a political board to have dialog? Well if you only have one side of an issue being presented in a given thread then that isn't dialog that is preaching to the choir.

I would think they would welcome healthy debate as that is the best way for someone to strenghen their support of their own viewpoint as they are forced to research each sides points of view to be able to form strong points supporting their arguement.

Of course the admins can do whatever they please it is their site not mine, I am just saying it doesn't make a whole lot of logical since.

[canikickit]

Basically Valishin, it's all about perspective.

The consensus is that Bolshevika doesn't bring "healthy debate" to the forum. That is why he has been restricted. I understand where you are coming from - we shouldn't just discount valid opinions because we disagree. The thing is, the administrator feels that Bolshevika's opinion isn't valid as an opoinion in the left leaning forums.

[kylieII]

I've noticed a lot of Leninists create their own boards, more than other groups of thinking within Marxism.

[Y2A]

Talking about "restrictions"


The Gulag
Racists, capitalists, idiots, religious vomit all belong here.
Moderator: J. Jordan

[Jesus Christ]

bye Bolshevika
im sorry to see you go
seriously
no, seriously I am
cmon, why dont you believe me? :lol:

[Intifada]

bye bye bolshevika, i will miss you!

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 04:58 AM
all can say is i dont agree with restricting but that board theirs no one there why would you go to that.
while I am by no means a stalinist like bolshevieka

I was against restricting him
and I must concur with this quote about restricting people

[UnionofSovietSocialistRepublics]

c ya bolshevieka , good luck wi the new board comrade.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 17 2004, 07:39 AM
I may have hated you Stalinist Ideals but you were fun to debate with!!
COMRADES forever Bolshevika!
Comrade Zeke :lol:
true

[Penguin Chariot Archer from Hell]

This is a shame. Its disgusting to see how ignorant some, if not most of you are. "healthy debate."?? So only the moderators and admin have the perception of what healthy debate is? Bolshevika has from my observations debated well. He contributed to this forum greatly, as do most of those who are forced to sit in this useless section of the forum.

I think half my posts have been devoted to trying to help the caged stalinists. Am i the only one here who can see that this is going to murder debate?!?!?!!? The internet is a tool for communication and learning. By restricting it, you are stopping any new users here from being exposed to new ideas. Only the ideas you want them to see.

How can one know their enemy if they aren't allowed to learn about their enemy?

Goodbye Bolshevika, it is a shame that you left before I had the chance to actually see more from you.

[Ortega]

PCAfromH, you're being pretty judgemental for a newbie. But I suppose I was too...

Goodbye, Bolshevika - I'm sorry you were never able to be unrestricted. :(

[Penguin Chariot Archer from Hell]

Because this is wrong. Its "only a message board" doesn't cut it. That doesn't make it right.

[Ortega]

How can one know their enemy if they aren't allowed to learn about their enemy?
That's what OI is for. Anyone can read and post in OI, and that way the "enemy" can't clutter up the rest of the boards.


By restricting it, you are stopping any new users here from being exposed to new ideas. Only the ideas you want them to see.
Once again, anyone is welcome to see OI. Malte and most of the members of Che-Lives don't want every board to be filled with Capitalism vs. Communism debates or Stalin vs. Trotsky debates. When members are restricted, they can still debate, but only in OI. That leaves the rest of the forums open for good discussion and actual debate, rather than just screaming insults back and forth.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I agree partialy with ortega

I wish alot of people would be unrestricted

[Rasta Sapian]

hasta luego muchacha

[Penguin Chariot Archer from Hell]

I agree with the caging of capitalists.

However, i don't see every thread bolshevika or other stalinists posted in turning into STALIN VS. TROTSKY DEBATES. In fact, on many occasions it was trotskyists who started the flames. ITS BOTH SIDES. I hate to break it to you, but the world isn't black and white. STALIN IS NOT ALL BAD AND TROTSKY IS NOT ALL GOOD. They both had major flaws and major strong points. But neither was evil.

Stalinists aren't the enemy. Capitalists are the enemy. Nazis are the enemy. Racists are the enemy. the clergy are the enemy.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by Penguin Chariot Archer from [email protected] 17 2004, 02:00 PM
However, i don't see every thread bolshevika or other stalinists posted in turning into STALIN VS. TROTSKY DEBATES. In fact, on many occasions it was trotskyists who started the flames. ITS BOTH SIDES. I hate to break it to you, but the world isn't black and white. STALIN IS NOT ALL BAD AND TROTSKY IS NOT ALL GOOD. They both had major flaws and major strong points. But neither was evil.
But this happens to be an anti-Stalinist board. If you don't like it, there are plenty of Stalinist boards on the internet.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

If I ran this site noone would be silenced but all I have the right to do is to plead for a change

[Ahura Mazda]

I think the restricting of non-trotsyites (or whatever you would blanketly call the nonrestricted members on your board) on this board is comparable to the (inter)marriages of the European royalty at the turn of the 20th century--their arguments will only continue getting more and more fragile as they do a sort of argumentative inbreeding.

[Urban Rubble]

But this happens to be a Trotskyist board. If you don't like it, there are plenty of Stalinist boards on the internet.

What the fuck are you talking about ? This is not a Trot board. I don't think any of the admins or mods are trots. In fact, I think people are more ashamed of Trotsky than Stalin.

As RAF said, "The Trot just ain't hot".

[Comrade Ceausescu]

UR,Stop taking Ortega seriously. I have come to the conclusion that he is a fucktard.

[canikickit]

This is not a Trotskyist board.
I can only think of about seven or eight Trotsky supporters.

Opposition to Stalin does not mean support of Trotsky.

The majority of the board cares little for either of those dead leaders.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 17 2004, 02:11 PM

But this happens to be a Trotskyist board. If you don't like it, there are plenty of Stalinist boards on the internet.

What the fuck are you talking about ? This is not a Trot board. I don't think any of the admins or mods are trots. In fact, I think people are more ashamed of Trotsky than Stalin.

As RAF said, "The Trot just ain't hot".
Alright, then it's not a Trotskyite board. Sorry for my mistake. I basically meant that it is an anti-Stalin board, and Malte, at least in the beginning, did not like Stalin. I assumed, therefore, that he followed Trotsky.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 02:32 PM
This is not a Trotskyist board.
I can only think of about seven or eight Trotsky supporters.

Opposition to Stalin does not mean support of Trotsky.

The majority of the board cares little for either of those dead leaders.
Personally, I dislike both, all I meant was that this board is anti-Stalinist for the most part. I'll edit my post.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 17 2004, 02:15 PM
UR,Stop taking Ortega seriously. I have come to the conclusion that he is a fucktard.
Alright...

I did say that I was glad to compromise with you and admit that maybe there are advantages to your viewpoints and advantages to mine - but I suppose that's not enough.
I'm not very educated on the Stalin vs. Trotsky debate. I choose instead to focus on Latin American Communism and politics.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I RESPECTFULY disagree with stalinists trotskyites and other all out communists. But as a democratic socialist I think we should unite to abolish capitalism

[cubist]

i don't understand why it matters stalin trotsky. who gives a fuck the point of this site is for socialists alike how ever it appears stalinists who politically hold a similar stance to the BNP (authoriation communists) openly condem homosexuals. ethnic minorities etc etc and there liees the rule breaking which leads to banning and restrictions.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I agree with you cephas
except for the fact that when you blacklist them you become just like them

[cubist]

now that is where you are wrong,

when the police arrest a thief are they then thieves?

are credit companies wrong when they blacklist you do they become blacklisted?

when i punch some one who punched me am i just as wrong? or am i merely playing by the rules set out by the oponent when he struck me.



malte and the admins do what they feel is right for the commmunity. a community of socialists who respect the freedom of all not just themselves.

stalinists get restricted/banned for not respecting others freedoms

[Soviet power supreme]

I have sworn before a picture of the old and mourned comrade Bolshevika that I won’t rest until I see these anarchist/hippy/trotskiete octopuses annihilated.


You all are saying that Malte decides Stalinists are scum.But why doesnt he change the internet adress?Che was Stalinist or the real term is Marxist-Leninist.


Once again, anyone is welcome to see OI. Malte and most of the members of Che-Lives don't want every board to be filled with Capitalism vs. Communism debates or Stalin vs. Trotsky debates. When members are restricted, they can still debate, but only in OI. That leaves the rest of the forums open for good discussion and actual debate, rather than just screaming insults back and forth.


But I havent seen any Stalin vs Trotsky debates in which they both call names eachothers.They provide historial facts, speeches,etc, not insults.

[YKTMX]

See ya.....who stole the Beer?! : :angry:

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

cephas-that is where we diagree, I feel that even those who dont love freedom should be allowed freedom that is where I disagree with joe mccarthy and I guess I disagree with you.

I DISSENT

learned those words at an early age

[cubist]

fair enough but to allow those freedom is to give others oppression which in itself is worse

[Edelweiss]

Originally posted by Soviet power [email protected] 18 2004, 12:58 AM
I have sworn before a picture of the old and mourned comrade Bolshevika that I won’t rest until I see these anarchist/hippy/trotskiete octopuses annihilated..
Comments of that kind are the best way to get restricted into OI, really fine example. ;)
And BTW: No, Che-Lives is NOT a Trotzkyist board!!!

[The Feral Underclass]

have sworn before a picture of the old and mourned comrade Bolshevika that I won’t rest until I see these anarchist/hippy/trotskiete octopuses annihilated.

I was I was an anarchist-hippy-trotskyist-octopus

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 09:38 PM
i don't understand why it matters stalin trotsky. who gives a fuck the point of this site is for socialists alike how ever it appears stalinists who politically hold a similar stance to the BNP (authoriation communists) openly condem homosexuals. ethnic minorities etc etc and there liees the rule breaking which leads to banning and restrictions.
Marxism-Leninism and 'Stalinists' do not 'condemn ethnic minorities or 'etc etc'. Such a comment seems to me to be basic ignorance. There does not lie the rule breaking since 'Stalinists' on this site have not made comments condemning 'homosexuality. ethnic minorities etc etc'

Furthermore, the BNP can not be classified as 'authoritarian communists' since their philosophy is right-wing. They see socialism as a utopian view of society. They see human nature as fundamentally flawed (unlike communists), they see class as natural and character coming through competition. They advocate an economic system that is oppressive towards the working-class and they are national chauvanists and cultural imperialists.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

rrrrrrrrrrrright

[cubist]

Mao,

allow me demonstrate my logic and remove the
ignorance you suggest i have

since in 1933 stalin criminalized homosexuality
so it would be fair to suggest thaat;
supporters of this "man" would be seen to be supporters of such oppressive actions. as if they truly disagreed with it, they wouldn't be so fond of him. So in theory if someone who is a stalinist would show support for this oppression they would be infact rule breakers of the homophobic comments rule. and in theory (i am aware humans label themselves to what the see close two) seeing as no true trotskyist or socialist who believes in liberal freedoms such as sexuality would attempt to make a homophobic comment then only stalinists and i would break this rule out of those that are not restricted to OI.

the question i ask you is if a stalinist makes and anti gay remark will he be banned?

as for the BNP I stand corrected.


petey was that to me or someone else.

if it was to me please explain

[Comrade Ceausescu]

You must understand,back when Stalin was alive, there was next to no understanding of homosexuality. People thought it was a disease and nothing more. It is very one sided to say that Stalin was "anti-gay" because it was a different time when people thought different things.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 19 2004, 12:57 PM
You must understand,back when Stalin was alive, there was next to no understanding of homosexuality. People thought it was a disease and nothing more. It is very one sided to say that Stalin was "anti-gay" because it was a different time when people thought different things.
But if it was found out that Trotsky or some other "Trot" was anti-homosexual, we most likely would never hear the end of it now would we?

[Comrade Ceausescu]

But if it was found out that Trotsky or some other "Trot" was anti-homosexual, we most likely would never hear the end of it now would we?


No.I think that anti-homosexuality was a very common thing at the time. I would not be suprised if Trotsky was anti-homosexual,I would'nt hold it against him,just like I don't hold it against Stalin.

[ernestolynch]

Trot did describe the striking sailors at Kronstadt as 'wearing their hair like pimps' or summat, so he had them 'shot like partridges'.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 19 2004, 03:13 PM

But if it was found out that Trotsky or some other "Trot" was anti-homosexual, we most likely would never hear the end of it now would we?


No.I think that anti-homosexuality was a very common thing at the time. I would not be suprised if Trotsky was anti-homosexual,I would'nt hold it against him,just like I don't hold it against Stalin.
good to hear

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Penguin Chariot Archer from [email protected] 17 2004, 07:00 PM
I agree with the caging of capitalists.

However, i don't see every thread bolshevika or other stalinists posted in turning into STALIN VS. TROTSKY DEBATES. In fact, on many occasions it was trotskyists who started the flames. ITS BOTH SIDES. I hate to break it to you, but the world isn't black and white. STALIN IS NOT ALL BAD AND TROTSKY IS NOT ALL GOOD. They both had major flaws and major strong points. But neither was evil.

Stalinists aren't the enemy. Capitalists are the enemy. Nazis are the enemy. Racists are the enemy. the clergy are the enemy.
Stop whining, please god, you have no idea, a while ago we had some major problems with some Stalinists, and the Administration made a decision, and so far the decision has proved to be a good one, dont go on about this, when you are unaware of the history of the situation.

I dont think anyone actually likes caging the Stalinists, but in the past this has been a necessary measure, and for your information Stalinists are able to post universally if they are shown to be polite and able to debate without resorting to the usual Stalinist garbage we have to put up with 90% of the time.

[Ernestocheguevara]

QUOTE (Penguin Chariot Archer from Hell @ Jan 17 2004, 07:00 PM)
I agree with the caging of capitalists.

However, i don't see every thread bolshevika or other stalinists posted in turning into STALIN VS. TROTSKY DEBATES. In fact, on many occasions it was trotskyists who started the flames. ITS BOTH SIDES. I hate to break it to you, but the world isn't black and white. STALIN IS NOT ALL BAD AND TROTSKY IS NOT ALL GOOD. They both had major flaws and major strong points. But neither was evil.

Stalinists aren't the enemy. Capitalists are the enemy. Nazis are the enemy. Racists are the enemy. the clergy are the enemy.



No Your right :blink: Stalin wasn't evil!! Unless you don't count killing innocent people because they disagreed with him, including Trotsky, EVIL, are you outta your mind!!!!!?????????????

Bye mate take care.

[El Brujo]

HAHAHA. I can't believe someone has the nerve to call the BNP, "Stalinists."

At any rate, this is fucking ridiculous. Trots, liberals and anarchists make stupid personal remarks towards "Stalinists" too and their never penalized.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 04:57 PM
Mao,

allow me demonstrate my logic and remove the
ignorance you suggest i have

since in 1933 stalin criminalized homosexuality
so it would be fair to suggest thaat;
supporters of this "man" would be seen to be supporters of such oppressive actions. as if they truly disagreed with it, they wouldn't be so fond of him. So in theory if someone who is a stalinist would show support for this oppression they would be infact rule breakers of the homophobic comments rule. and in theory (i am aware humans label themselves to what the see close two) seeing as no true trotskyist or socialist who believes in liberal freedoms such as sexuality would attempt to make a homophobic comment then only stalinists and i would break this rule out of those that are not restricted to OI.

the question i ask you is if a stalinist makes and anti gay remark will he be banned?

as for the BNP I stand corrected.
I know that Stalin disliked homosexuality. My point was that the majority of 'Stalinists' nowadays are more tolerant. However, of course there are still a significant number who still will not accept homosexuality. I know a lot of 'Stalinists' in Britain who do not. I understand your point though, but many 'Stalinists' do not have the precise same views as Stalin particularly on this subject.

It is fair to say you are not in the least bit ignorant. I would rather say that you dislike 'Stalinists' and that you would prefer to label them as you did although it is not accurate.


I hope Bolshevika returns one day. As regarding whether he contributes good debate I would say he does. Look at his own board, Workers Unite, its easy to see many creative and serious posts from him.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Stop whining, please god, you have no idea, a while ago we had some major problems with some Stalinists, and the Administration made a decision, and so far the decision has proved to be a good one, dont go on about this, when you are unaware of the history of the situation.

I dont think anyone actually likes caging the Stalinists, but in the past this has been a necessary measure, and for your information Stalinists are able to post universally if they are shown to be polite and able to debate without resorting to the usual Stalinist garbage we have to put up with 90% of the time.

I have not made any rude comments that were not in response to somebody elses.Its just not fair and you know it. Plenty of Trots,Anarchists and many others make rude comments and are not caged for it.

[cubist]

Mao i see your point,maybe i should view stalinists as more but to be more tolerant would make them a stalinist/somethingelseist.

i do not label myself at all other than socialist. i would have to claim to know more than i do to label myself to a style of socialism

[marsell]

goodbye my felow bolshevik, remember to continue to stay true to socialism!

[General A.A.Vlasov]

...this was the only message by bolshevica, that WE respect! :angry: