Difference between here and real-life

[A.J.]

On the internet, such as this forum, I'm generally accusing other people of ultra-leftism.
However, in real-life I'm the one usually being labelled an ultra-leftist.
(I'll provide specific examples of this phenomenon in a later post)

Quite telling IMHO.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Maybe stop throwing around the pointless insults then?

[Jimmie Higgins]

Maybe stop throwing around the pointless insults then?Choked on my coffee when I read that. LOL.


On the internet, such as this forum, I'm generally accusing other people of ultra-leftism.
However, in real-life I'm the one usually being labelled an ultra-leftist.I guess it is telling in that there is a difference between the small leftist circles and the general population, but that's not exactly news.

[A.J.]

As the replies to this thread illustrate I've once again been subjected to condenscation and sneering.

Something that I normally encounter from the effeminate upper/middle classes.

In that sense, this forum is exactly like real life.

[Thirsty Crow]

Well yeah, a sexist should be sneered at.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Something that I normally encounter from the effeminate upper/middle classes.
"Effeminate"? O_o

[Tim Cornelis]

As the replies to this thread illustrate I've once again been subjected to condenscation and sneering.

Something that I normally encounter from the effeminate upper/middle classes.

In that sense, this forum is exactly like real life.

Get over yourself.

[A.J.]

I see no manifestations of sexism in this thread.

[The Feral Underclass]

I see no manifestations of sexism in this thread.

You're attributing negative connotations to effeminacy and using it as a pejorative. It's not just sexist, it's homophobic as well.

[Comrade Dracula]

I see no manifestations of sexism in this thread.

*Coughs*


As the replies to this thread illustrate I've once again been subjected to condenscation and sneering.

Something that I normally encounter from the effeminate upper/middle classes.

In that sense, this forum is exactly like real life.

As opposed to what, the masculine lower classes?
Honestly, why on Earth did you think adding effeminate to that sentence was a good idea?

[A.J.]

I strenuousley deny these preposterous allegations.

[Jimmie Higgins]

As the replies to this thread illustrate I've once again been subjected to condenscation and sneering.

Something that I normally encounter from the effeminate upper/middle classes.

In that sense, this forum is exactly like real life.

The condescension and sneering is probably due to people like me seeing only a handful of post/threads by you so far and yet all of them are full of contempt and arrogence towards everyone else on this site: complaining about lack of other stalinists, complaining about conspiratorial infractions/warnings, and then this non-sequitor of a thread. Here's a hint, while I and others may disagree with your politics... the politics is not what makes your posts disagreeable as far as I can tell. Act a little more comradely and I think you will see a warmer reception.

But maybe as an effeminate prolitarian, I'm just a bit touchy and so I don't go for that bourgeois macho alpha-dog bullshit.

[Thirsty Crow]

I strenuousley deny these preposterous allegations.
Troll. Quite obvious.

[The Feral Underclass]

^It's probably a sockpuppet

[Blake's Baby]

Joined 2006? A sockpuppet? Probably not.

[Hrafn]

Yo AJ needs to get restricted, or something. This whole "effeminate" bullshit is too much.

[reb]

A.J. should be restricted for being a stalinist and a sexist.

[The Feral Underclass]

Joined 2006? A sockpuppet? Probably not.

In my experience of administration at boards like this, it's often the case that people make two accounts (sometimes even several) and use them simultaneously. Sometimes they leave one dormant and when their other account(s) are gone, they re-active other ones they haven't used.

For example, A.J didn't post at all between between 29th February 2012 and 28th July 2013. That could just be a coincidence, but it seems unusual behaviour for a person who joined in 2006 to just suddenly decide to become a troll in 2013 after not posting for over a year. Also, most sockpuppets are incredibly vain and can't help but give little tell-tale signs; they just can't not give some indication that they've gotten one over on the admins. His signature is interesting in that context.

Of course, this is all circumstantial, but if anything, I would say he is a prime candidate for a sockpuppet.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

shit basement dwelling troll is obvious.

[#FF0000]

As the replies to this thread illustrate I've once again been subjected to condenscation and sneering.

Something that I normally encounter from the effeminate upper/middle classes.

The neat thing about this is that literally everything you post is dripping with condescension and some weird fear of sincerity (e.g. always trollin', everything being some weird backhanded comment) so hey someone's projecting I think.

[Ele'ill]

oh these blaze of glory threads made by users I don't even recognize

[Zukunftsmusik]

As the replies to this thread illustrate I've once again been subjected to condenscation and sneering.

Something that I normally encounter from the effeminate upper/middle classes.

In that sense, this forum is exactly like real life.

Stop being so self righteous.

[DasFapital]

You are all just hating on AJ because he is carrying on the true flame of anti-revisionist marxism-leninism

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

You are all just hating on AJ because he is carrying on the true flame of anti-revisionist marxism-leninism

I imagine him as a muscular shirtless man with a handlebar moustache, tight blue jeans, and workboots. He has a hammer and sickle tattooed over his heart. He stands heroically, red flag held high, in the stands at a softball game. His buddies, sitting around him, insist, "AJ, man, this happens every time you're drunk. Sit down."
"Revisionists! Never! DEATH TO THE EFFETE BOURGEOIS UMPIRE! THAT WASN'T A STRIKE!"

[sixdollarchampagne]

As the replies to this thread illustrate I've once again been subjected to condenscation and sneering.

Something that I normally encounter from the effeminate upper/middle classes.

In that sense, this forum is exactly like real life.

Can one really use the word "effeminate" on revleft? I should clarify that I am opposed to censorship, but I am really surprised that using that "e" word did not attract some kind of censure or admin warning.

EDIT: I obviously typed too soon; the "effeminate" sneer provoked a lot of reaction. I honestly doubt that effeminacy is a class or group characteristic. People are individuals, after all.

"Garbage disposal unit's" response, "I imagine [AJ] as a muscular shirtless man ..." is really entertaining, I think, as is DasFapital's. :o

[Remus Bleys]

I don't think effeminate in and of itself is a "bad word." But using it as a negative connotation sure is. What about feminist struggle? What about queer liberation?
This site bans people for the dumbest shit, yet this homphobic misgonyist, heterosexist fuck (who is quite clearly a troll) is still free? What the fuck? Just ban him.
Maybe his next persona will be somewhat funny.

[RedBen]

I imagine him as a muscular shirtless man with a handlebar moustache, tight blue jeans, and workboots. He has a hammer and sickle tattooed over his heart. He stands heroically, red flag held high
stop trying to turn me gay. straight boner:lol: sounds like a communist freddie mercury:lol:

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

I imagine him as a muscular shirtless man with a handlebar moustache, tight blue jeans, and workboots. He has a hammer and sickle tattooed over his heart. He stands heroically, red flag held high, in the stands at a softball game. His buddies, sitting around him, insist, "AJ, man, this happens every time you're drunk. Sit down."
"Revisionists! Never! DEATH TO THE EFFETE BOURGEOIS UMPIRE! THAT WASN'T A STRIKE!"

You......I like you.

[Blake's Baby]

You know what, I'm not going to get involved, except to say that I think it's unlikely that A.J. has ever been to a baseball game. It's not exactly part of the Scottish sporting scene.

[A.J.]

These outrageous accusations of homophobia and sexism, based on a throwaway off-the-cuff remark, are flimsy to say the least.

I suppose these slanders from opportunists of various hues come with the territory being as I am an upholder of the correct revolutionary line.

As Lenin famously wrote in The State and Revolution "During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander"

To use but one example from yesteryear, from our own little country, Willie Gallacher was subjected to the most vicious campaign of smears by that vangaurd of world reaction the catholic church....

http://archive.catholicherald.co.uk/article/10th-february-1950/1/catholics-lead-the-fight-to-oust-gallacher

[Remus Bleys]

Fucking ban him.
Such an obvious troll.

He makes such "throwaway" remakrs in every thread.

[A.J.]

On a similar note, the late Jimmy Reid(when he was still a Communist) also suffered at the hands of the catholic church during the 1974 general election when he contested the Dunbartonshire Central constituecy(a seat he was widely tipped to win but ended up polling a disappointing third place).

Sort of proves that the church's endorsement of the Labour Party had little to do with an approval of social democracy but rather visceral anti-communism. Indeed, since the end of the Cold War, now that the spectre of communism has temporarily subsided, the catholic church has abandoned its support for Labour(if my memory serves me correctly the late cardinal winning called on his parishioners to switch their traditional labour allegiance to the scottish national party)

Reid, of course, famously remarked that some Catholic members of the Labour party in Scotland were so reactionary that if they lived in Franco's Spain they'd belong to the Falangist Party!
(There's a clip of this on youtube, incidentley)

[Remus Bleys]

On a similar note, the late Jimmy Reid(when he was still a Communist) also suffered at the hands of the catholic church during the 1974 general election when he contested the Dunbartonshire Central constituecy(a seat he was widely tipped to win but ended up polling a disappointing third place).

Sort of proves that the church's endorsement of the Labour Party had little to do with an approval of social democracy but rather visceral anti-communism(indeed, since the end of the Cold War, now that the spectre of communism has temporarily has subsided, the catholic church has abandoned its support for Labour)

Reid, of course, famously remarked that some Catholic members of the Labour party in Scotland were so reactionary that if they lived in Franco's Spain they'd belong to the Falangist Party.What the fuck does this have to do with anything?

[A.J.]

What the fuck does this have to do with anything?

Stop interupting, your like totally ruining my train of thought.

Now where was I?......ah yes the Catholic church & the imperialist British state - an unholy alliance!

[#FF0000]

These outrageous accusations of homophobia and sexism, based on a throwaway off-the-cuff remark, are flimsy to say the least.

I suppose these slanders from opportunists of various hues come with the territory being as I am an upholder of the correct revolutionary line.

As Lenin famously wrote in The State and Revolution "During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander"

To use but one example from yesteryear, from our own little country, Willie Gallacher was subjected to the most vicious campaign of smears by that vangaurd of world reaction the catholic church....

http://archive.catholicherald.co.uk/article/10th-february-1950/1/catholics-lead-the-fight-to-oust-gallacher

yo aj is my favorite poster

[reb]

These outrageous accusations of homophobia and sexism, based on a throwaway off-the-cuff remark, are flimsy to say the least.

You've said it several times in several different threads. It's hardly off-the-cuff.

[Blake's Baby]

These outrageous accusations of homophobia and sexism, based on a throwaway off-the-cuff remark, are flimsy to say the least...

An advanced search using the terms 'effeminate' and 'A.J.' throws up four examples:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/search.php?searchid=5638461

this thread of course, and the thread about accents (bottom of page one) from the other day:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/does-your-accent-t184418/index.html?highlight=effeminate

and a trashed post from 2008:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/another-one-j-t89608/index.html?t=89608&highlight=effeminate

and a closed thread, also from 2008 (bottom of page 3):

http://www.revleft.com/vb/trotskyismi-t69834/index3.html?&highlight=effeminate


It seems to me that accusations of sexism are off the mark. But it also seems pretty clear A.J. is an unrepentant homphobe.

[A.J.]

An advanced search using the terms 'effeminate' and 'A.J.' throws up four examples:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/search.php?searchid=5638461

this thread of course, and the thread about accents (bottom of page one) from the other day:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/does-your-accent-t184418/index.html?highlight=effeminate

and a trashed post from 2008:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/another-one-j-t89608/index.html?t=89608&highlight=effeminate

and a closed thread, also from 2008 (bottom of page 3):

http://www.revleft.com/vb/trotskyismi-t69834/index3.html?&highlight=effeminate


It seems to me that accusations of sexism are off the mark. But it also seems pretty clear A.J. is an unrepentant homphobe.

How do any of the comments directly pertain to the issue of sexual orientation. There's no explicit connection as far I can see.

But anyway, I think were going a bit off-topic here. Back what I was talking about earlier, here's that youtube clip....

http://r2---sn-cn3tc-ba5e.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?app=youtube_gdata&devkey=AX8iKz393pCCMUL6wqrPOZoO88HsQjpE1a8d1GxQnGD m&el=videos&upn=tTTfGBIVZQw&uaopt=no-save&source=youtube&itag=18&id=e9d1cd004d144d26&ip=90.218.0.136&ipbits=0&expire=1383543920&sparams=expire,id,ip,ipbits,itag,source,uaopt,upn&signature=01C222DBD73F9D78F4AE4AE6830D90EB57ED1C53 .2AD113F3E95CAF9863CF1F9114DC45A39D08C3C2&key=cms1&cms_redirect=yes&ms=au&mt=1383515091&mv=m

[d3crypt]

How do any of the comments directly pertain to the issue of sexual orientation. There's no explicit connection as far I can see.

But anyway, I think were going a bit off-topic here. Back what I was talking about earlier, here's that youtube clip....

http://r2---sn-cn3tc-ba5e.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?app=youtube_gdata&devkey=AX8iKz393pCCMUL6wqrPOZoO88HsQjpE1a8d1GxQnGD m&el=videos&upn=tTTfGBIVZQw&uaopt=no-save&source=youtube&itag=18&id=e9d1cd004d144d26&ip=90.218.0.136&ipbits=0&expire=1383543920&sparams=expire,id,ip,ipbits,itag,source,uaopt,upn&signature=01C222DBD73F9D78F4AE4AE6830D90EB57ED1C53 .2AD113F3E95CAF9863CF1F9114DC45A39D08C3C2&key=cms1&cms_redirect=yes&ms=au&mt=1383515091&mv=m
Get the fuck off you homophobic stalinist piece of shit! Using effeminate is such a way is undeniably homophobic. Its equivalent to using faggot or gay as an insult.

[A.J.]

Get the fuck off you homophobic stalinist piece of shit! Using effeminate is such a way is undeniably homophobic. Its equivalent to using faggot or gay as an insult.

The term could perhaps be interpreted as homophobic within certain specific contexts, granted.

However, the way in which I deployed the term can't seriously be considered as such.

[The Feral Underclass]

The term could perhaps be interpreted as homophobic within certain specific contexts, granted.

However, the way in which I deployed the term can't seriously be considered as such.

The word "effeminate" defines the feminine characteristics that some men may exhibit, specifically certain men who identify as gay. You are using that term as a pejorative, therefore making direct links between negativity and effeminacy, i.e. feminine characteristics in men. Thus, your use of the term is homophobic.

It's a fairly uncomplicated process of logic.

[#FF0000]

However, the way in which I deployed the term can't seriously be considered as such.

Why not? How is calling a guy "unmanly" like it's a slur not homophobic/heterosexist/whatever?

[#FF0000]

tbh thinly veiled homophobia aside, A.J. is pretty clearly entirely uninterested in engaging in an actual discussions so.

[Quail]

The term could perhaps be interpreted as homophobic within certain specific contexts, granted.

However, the way in which I deployed the term can't seriously be considered as such.
Honestly, "effeminate" as a derogatory term is undeniably sexist and/or homophobic.

ef·fem·i·nat adj.1. Having qualities or characteristics more often associated with women than men.

2. Characterized by weakness and excessive refinement.


Having qualities or characteristics more often associated with women than men isn't something a person should feel offended by. Being woman-like or unmanly is not a bad thing unless you think women are inferior to men.