Why is everything post-something nowadays?

[Lokomotive293]

There is post-modernism, post-structuralism, post-marxism, post-anarchism, post-leftism, post-veganism, post-punk, post-feminism, post-queer theory, post-hardcore, post-rock, post-reggae, and anything else you can imagine.

Even post-hipsterism already exists ;)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=post-hipsterism

So, what the hell?

[The Feral Underclass]

Because history is over!

[Creative Destruction]

post-punk and post-rock are legit genres, though.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

42.

[Os Cangaceiros]

What, exactly, is "post veganism"?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

What, exactly, is "post veganism"?

http://postveganism.blogspot.co.uk/

^^They were clearly vegan before it was cool.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

All of them are reactions to the percieved ineffectuality of emancipatory theories but they exist only in relation to those theories and would be irrelevant otherwise.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I prefer the prefix "neo".

[Blake's Baby]

I'm going to start affixing the prefix 'pre-' to everything, and then coining names for things that haven't happened yet.

[o well this is ok I guess]

I prefer the prefix "neo". nothx neo-rock is probably pretty bad

[adipocere]

you forgot "post 9/11" it changed everything, remember?

[DasFapital]

Post-postism

[The Feral Underclass]

post-punk and post-rock are legit genres, though.

Post-modernism and post-structuralism are both legitimate concepts too.

[Popular Front of Judea]

Definitely a 'post--end of history' question to ask ...

[argeiphontes]

postmodernism generator (http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/)

[Popular Front of Judea]

postmodernism generator (http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/)

See: Sokal affair (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sokal_affair&printable=yes)

[Flying Purple People Eater]

It's because a lot of people have gone post-logic.

[Lokomotive293]

postmodernism generator (http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/)

This is awesome :grin:

[argeiphontes]

See: Sokal affair (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sokal_affair&printable=yes)

That reminds me of Luce Irigaray's critique of fluid dynamics as being sexist because "nobody pays attention to it because fluids are feminine" (paraphrase). Not that differential equations are inherently hard to solve. Unfortunately that one was real.

[Popular Front of Judea]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUoTwZrCEAAoxxK.jpg:large

[The Feral Underclass]

Are people in this thread actually bringing into question the prefix "post-" as a legitimate distinction?

[synthesis]

I think the reason you see it affixed to so many terms today is because of the post-modern period; when you attach it to a distinct concept or identity or school of thought in the modern context, you're saying that you don't just identify as that thing, you've also spent a lot of time "thinking critically" about that thing and therefore feel that it doesn't define you any longer.

[The Feral Underclass]

Well, not that it just doesn't define you, but that you've taken the ideas of the thing and moved beyond them.

[synthesis]

Well, not that it just doesn't define you, but that you've taken the ideas of the thing and moved beyond them.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say but that's a better way to put it.

[The Feral Underclass]

I guess another way to term "post-" would be "deconstruction"

OH NO! PO-MO!

[argeiphontes]

Are people in this thread actually bringing into question the prefix "post-" as a legitimate distinction?

The dialectic of distinction is no longer relevant in the post-legitimacy era. The very notion of distinction speaks to bourgeois interests that attempt to de/re/pre/legitimize particular discourses without reference to the complexity of reflexive relationships in the postmodern space. ;)

Darn, I used to be better at that... Basically, we're just making fun of it. Postmodern Theory by Kellner and Best is a decent place to start but maybe a bit dated.

[synthesis]

What I want to know is what the period after post-modernism will be called. ("Post-post modernism" obviously doesn't count, because that's just the eversion of something that's already everted.)

What I mean is: post-modernism is deconstruction - critically tearing something down - so what do we call reconstruction - after deconstructing it, recognizing the utility of it and building it back up again without all the historical baggage? The practice of "secular churches," for example. (There's a film-maker who uses the term "remodernism," but the guy seems like a douche and it really just comes across as an unproductive rejection of Dogme 95.)

[Hit The North]

I'll be glad when we are in a post-out-of-ideas condition.

[The Feral Underclass]

What I want to know is what the period after post-modernism

Metamodernism and post-postmodernism are things.


What I mean is: post-modernism is deconstruction - critically tearing something down - so what do we call reconstruction - after deconstructing it, recognizing the utility of it and building it back up again without all the historical baggage?

Post-deconstruction? :unsure:

Neomodernism is a thing, but it has specific ideas. Not sure they are relevant.

[synthesis]

I'll be glad when we are in a post-out-of-ideas condition.

That was my first thought when I saw this thread. I think it's related to the same cultural currents that have produced "hipsterism," a probably unfair use of the term which in this case I'm defining as "deconstructing old music/art/ideas/clothing/whatever rather than creating new ones."


Metamodernism and post-postmodernism are things.

Post-deconstruction? :unsure:

Neomodernism is a thing, but it has specific ideas. Not sure they are relevant

I'm kind of hoping it will ditch the term "modernism" altogether. I'd favor "Reconstructionism" if it wasn't so thoroughly associated with religious movements. And post-post-modernism, to me, just means applying the post-modern concept of deconstruction to post-modernism itself which was kind of inevitable if you think about it but to me doesn't really constitute an entirely new "era" or or epoch or whatever.

Also, holy shit, the "related topics" section of "post-post-modernism" and other articles:


Altermodernism
Digimodernism
Metamodernism
Neomodernism
Remodernism
Transmodernism

Where's Garbage Disposal Unit when you need him?

[Flying Purple People Eater]

What about megamodernism?

Sounds like a super hero, fighting the filthy pomos off with non-vague philosophical conclusions.

[synthesis]

Or nano-modernism? It could be applied to people who over-dissect ridiculously mundane occurences in everyday life.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I'm a fan of remodernist ideas in art. The "new sincerity" and "Dogma 95" and other associated "meta-" or "post-" postmodern trends are interesting, though seem to largely be a reaction to the reaction of postmodernism.

I think really there is only "modernism" (if we see modernism as a philosophical attempt to deal with the new situations of mature capitalism) of which post-modernism and post-postmodernism are basically different phases or moods.

[Firebrand]

Postmodern postism- for people who take postmodernism to the internet.

[Leftsolidarity]

Moved to Chit-Chat

[Queen Mab]

Wankers. Basically.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

That "post-hipsterism" definition linked in the OP is such utter garbage. It's nothing but a desperate retreat into the worst of conservative cultural criticism (dig its use of gendered pronouns!) thinly veiled in bits of decontextualized marketing-speak in a vain attempt to appeal to youth culture: "Give up your rebellion - don't you see - you've already won!" It's the same terrible premise as The Rebel Sell (utter garbage - don't even bother looking it up) and any other number of mass produced neo-liberal tracts, proclaiming, "Post-'68 capitalism has fulfilled the promises of Marxism!" As if . . .

Postmodernism means a whole variety of different things depending on the context, and I think one should be wary of making any grand pronouncements concerning it.

On one hand, I think the ubiquity of the prefix post in current popular discourse, I think, is very much a product of reactionary labeling of anything unfamiliar, critical, or theoretically innovative as "post-" as a slur, branding it highfalutin' and refusing to engage with its content, instead positing it as creeping cultural Marxist french jibberjabber.

On the other hand, well, sometimes I think it's a sin when I feel like I'm winnin' when I'm losin' again.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Postmodernism means a whole variety of different things depending on the context, and I think one should be wary of making any grand pronouncements concerning it.

GET IT?! GET IT?!
Why did nobody LOL at my joke?

[Alexios]

um these aren't really "nowadays" things they've existed for up to two decades already