rumors of my death were exaggerated

[Bolshevika]

A friend of mine just got a call from her aunt in Cuba saying that Fidel has died?!

She said that it hasn't been made public because it would cause problems with the Miami worms. They said we will know tonight if it is true. :(

[The Feral Underclass]

I cant believe it.....we have to wait and see....how could this aunt have known...?

[iloveatomickitten]

:blink:

[Ortega]

Oh
My
Fucking
God

No...

:(

[Felicia]

I don't think I believe this yet.

I know a woman from the Party with ties to Cuba, and she hasn't heard anything yet, but I told her all about this and she's going to try to contact a few people in Cuba to either verify this or dispell the rumours.

[Ortega]

[url=http://http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/7714718.htm] This is the latest thing I could find. The mayor is talking about his health when he saw him in December too.

This is not looking good. If he's not dead, he's at least not healthy.

[Bolshevika]

It is a rumor going around in Cuba, the information will be made international tonight.

When I first heard it, tears came down my cheeks. Papa Fidel... :(

[ernestolynch]

Shit

Anyone please post up latest news.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 04:20 PM
When I first heard it, tears came down my cheeks. Papa Fidel... :(
You're not the only one... :(

It's always been my dream to go to a Cuba under Castro, and at the very least it's always reassuring to know that there is still hope for Latin America.

[The Feral Underclass]

It is a rumor going around in Cuba, the information will be made international tonight.

When I first heard it, tears came down my cheeks. Papa Fidel...

:lol:

[Exploited Class]

This isn't true. Do you really think they could keep something like that a secret from the world for more than 10 minutes?

If somebody outside the family knows enough to make a phone call, then everybody in Cuba knows and if everybody in Cuba knows then the world would know very shorty after.

There has been attempts by the US to start rumors of his death in the past on the island in hopes that people would try to overthrow the government.

[El Brujo]

Holy fuck. I certainly hope not. :o

Odds are, its just another rumor or prank played by the worms.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Yahoo News Story -- Castro's Health in Decline? January 14, 2004 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040114/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/colombia_castro_s_health_2)

This is all I can find on the internet.

Two most important parts:

1. Castro's health apparently in decline

2. Many spread rumors about his health... they have been unfounded to this point.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by Exploited [email protected] 16 2004, 04:25 PM
This isn't true. Do you really think they could keep something like that a secret from the world for more than 10 minutes?
Well it has been said that after Fidel's death, Raul would quickly grab the reins, and news of Fidel's death would not be released until Raul was fully in control, to prevent chaos.
And it would make sense if it were a rumor, because chances are someone would find out and tell someone else, and so on and so on...

I hope it's not true though.

[ElRuso1967]

Holy Fuck.....castro surely cant be dead?!? i wont believe it until i hear any official news

[el_profe]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 16 2004, 09:24 PM

It is a rumor going around in Cuba, the information will be made international tonight.

When I first heard it, tears came down my cheeks. Papa Fidel...

:lol:
:o :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is not true, I cant believe people believe this its just some lame rumor.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by Marxist in [email protected] 16 2004, 04:26 PM
Yahoo News Story -- Castro's Health in Decline? January 14, 2004 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040114/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/colombia_castro_s_health_2)

This is all I can find on the internet.

Two most important parts:

1. Castro's health apparently in decline

2. Many spread rumors about his health... they have been unfounded to this point.
Those rumors were also based on information from a month or two ago. For some reason, the Mayor is just choosing to make this statement now.

[ElRuso1967]

I havent seen anything yet on the news over here (UK) so i hope that its all just misinformed rumours. this will truly be a sad day if it is true :(

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 04:30 PM
I havent seen anything yet on the news over here (UK) so i hope that its all just misinformed rumours. this will truly be a sad day if it is true :(
I've checked Granma, CNN, Google News, etc...

So far, nothing.

But you can bet I'll be glued to the news tonight.

[El Brujo]

I think it is a lame rumor. It would be all over the news if it were the case. There is nothing about it in Telemundo (a worm-controlled TV station in the US).

[Felicia]

well, of course his health is declining, he's 77 years old.

hopefully this is just some shit the cappies on this board are trying to pass off.

LOOK AT THE FACTS PEOPLE

Bolshevika may be disgruntled for not being uncaged, and therefore is trying to fuck with the rest of us.

[STI]

I doubt it. There have been a ton of rumors like this before. If, in the unlikely event that it IS true, i'd be seriously concerned for the future of Cuba.

[RedCeltic]

As Exploited Class had said, it's nieve to think they would be able to keep such a story hushed up. And even more so to think that you were able to get the leaked information, and not the press.

[Bolshevika]

I've been told that if it is true it will be on the news tonight.

I believe I saw Fidel giving a speech a short while ago, and he looked as if he collapsed on the table whilst in the middle of it .

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 06:35 PM
I doubt it. There have been a ton of rumors like this before. If, in the unlikely event that it IS true, i'd be seriously concerned for the future of Cuba.
don't be.

Cuba is well prepared for this day, whenever it should come. Trust me that I have good sources.

[Exploited Class]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art2/cnnobit3.jpg

Oh no, he is has been dead for some time now!

[Felicia]

lol :lol:

[Ortega]

:D

I remember that!

[The Feral Underclass]

Any dream of achieving communism in cuba had long been forgotten, if not by the workers, definatly by those who ruled them. The revolution has long been erased from peoples memories. Except those who sit in message boards and reminisce over what could have been. Another failed attempt at Leninism. I have no sympothy. Another stalinist gone, another sell out gone. The workers of cuba are better of with out him and the vanguard that rule them. Castro got old, he got comfortable, he forgot. Good riddance to him.

Long Live the Cuban Working Class!

[Bolshevika]

Felicia: I would NEVER joke like this. The reason I posted this was to see if anyone had further information, I would not be called unless it was a serious allegation.

I am hoping Raul gets into power if this is true, he will honor Comrade Fidel. Maybe he will teach those Miami worms in Cuba who are "campaigning for democracy" a few lessons.

[Anarchist Freedom]

can i cry?


:castro: :che: :hammer: :cuba:


if this is true which it probably isnt may he rest in peaces next to che.


VIVA LA CASTRO

[ElRuso1967]

If there is a counterrevolution in cuba, we must all be prepared to go to cuba and fight against the agressors. or at least start awareness campaigns in our workplaces or universities.

[Ortega]

<_<

TAT, Fidel may be old. He may be "out of touch". But think of him how he once was - how he really still is under those fancy suits and wrinkles.
He is a hero of the Cuban working class, not an oppressor. Do you think they want Batista back?&#33;

[The Feral Underclass]

This is what it comes down to isnt it, worshipping icons....Castro isnt important. The working class are imporant. Who gives a flying fuck whether he&#39;s dead. We have a world to liberate from capitalism

[Bolshevika]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 16 2004, 09:40 PM
Any dream of achieving communism in cuba had long been forgotten, if not by the workers, definatly by those who ruled them. The revolution has long been erased from peoples memories. Except those who sit in message boards and reminisce over what could have been. Another failed attempt at Leninism. I have no sympothy. Another stalinist gone, another sell out gone. The workers of cuba are better of with out him and the vanguard that rule them. Castro got old, he got comfortable, he forgot. Good riddance to him.

Long Live the Cuban Working Class&#33;
Anarchist Tension: That is horrible of you, a man who risked his life for the Cuban people, a person who put the people before everything. This isn&#39;t Ronald Reagan&#33; You still hold the pipedream that the Cuban will somehow "rise up" and start an Anarchist revolution? The chances of this are laughable. Raul is far more "stalinist" than Fidel, so the revolution is not dead. Yes, I have disagreements with Fidel, but he is heroic overall. How dare you say these things about Comrade Fidel&#33;? If you want to post this garbage, take it elsewhere, fuck you. :angry:

[Ortega]

This is what it comes down to isnt it....Castro isnt important. The working class are imporant. Who gives a flying fuck whether he&#39;s dead. We have a world to liberate from capitalism

Castro is, or was Latin America&#39;s last major hope against Capitalism.

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 02:36 PM
I&#39;ve been told that if it is true it will be on the news tonight.

I believe I saw Fidel giving a speech a short while ago, and he looked as if he collapsed on the table whilst in the middle of it .
hahahaha Yes, he collapse recently and only you saw it. That shit would be all over the news. Even though he just spoke at the meeting of The Americas.

All the press agencies all over the world are willing to take a step back and wait till tonight to release the information. News agencies not wanting to scoop other news agencies, hahahahahahahahaha.

[The Feral Underclass]

Castro is, or was Latin America&#39;s last major hope against Capitalism.

No he wasnt...he was a cigar smoking sell out, who lived happily in his big house and met the pope&#33;&#33;&#33; Stop kidding yourself.

[ElRuso1967]

Fuck you anarchist tension&#33; fidel is a great man&#33; dont disrespect him you ignorant little shit&#33;

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by Bolshevika+Jan 16 2004, 09:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bolshevika @ Jan 16 2004, 09:45 PM)
The Anarchist [email protected] 16 2004, 09:40 PM
Any dream of achieving communism in cuba had long been forgotten, if not by the workers, definatly by those who ruled them. The revolution has long been erased from peoples memories. Except those who sit in message boards and reminisce over what could have been. Another failed attempt at Leninism. I have no sympothy. Another stalinist gone, another sell out gone. The workers of cuba are better of with out him and the vanguard that rule them. Castro got old, he got comfortable, he forgot. Good riddance to him.

Long Live the Cuban Working Class&#33;
Anarchist Tension: That is horrible of you, a man who risked his life for the Cuban people, a person who put the people before everything. This isn&#39;t Ronald Reagan&#33; You still hold the pipedream that the Cuban will somehow "rise up" and start an Anarchist revolution? The chances of this are laughable. Raul is far more "stalinist" than Fidel, so the revolution is not dead. Yes, I have disagreements with Fidel, but he is heroic overall. How dare you say these things about Comrade Fidel&#33;? If you want to post this garbage, take it elsewhere, fuck you. :angry: [/b]
Well said.

[The Feral Underclass]

Anarchist Tension: That is horrible of you, a man who risked his life for the Cuban people, a person who put the people before everything. This isn&#39;t Ronald Reagan&#33; You still hold the pipedream that the Cuban will somehow "rise up" and start an Anarchist revolution? The chances of this are laughable. Raul is far more "stalinist" than Fidel, so the revolution is not dead. Yes, I have disagreements with Fidel, but he is heroic overall. How dare you say these things about Comrade Fidel&#33;? If you want to post this garbage, take it elsewhere, fuck you.

Shut up&#33;

[Ortega]

No he wasnt...he was a cigar smoking sell out, who lived happily in his big house and met the pope&#33;&#33;&#33; Stop kidding yourself.

1) He quit smoking quite a few years ago - and besides, whats wrong with smoking cigars?

2) And who are you going to claim he sold out to?&#33;? America?&#33;?&#33;?

3) He actually lives/lived in a quite humble one-or-two-room house in Havana.

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 06:46 PM

This is what it comes down to isnt it....Castro isnt important. The working class are imporant. Who gives a flying fuck whether he&#39;s dead. We have a world to liberate from capitalism

Castro is, or was Latin America&#39;s last major hope against Capitalism.
no, he&#39;s NOT the last hope. There are many people fighting in latin america for the same things Fidel believed in. And their day will come to prove themselves like Fidel and Che and everyone who fought in the Cuban revolution and other revolutions in Latin America, There is always more hope. Don&#39;t put your faith in the revolutionary, put your faith in the Ideal.

[Exploited Class]

ahhhhh&#33; everybody is dying&#33; They are dropping like flies.

[Ortega]

Don&#39;t put your faith in the revolutionary, put your faith in the Ideal.


I just hope that that ideal still truly exists in Latin America. The FARC and the ELN have become little more than drug-smuggling mafias, though with better intentions, and the Zapatistas have been hopelessly crushed by the Mexican government.
I just hope that the flame of revolution in Latin America is not yet dead. I hope that the ideal really does still exist.

[ElRuso1967]

hahahaahahahaha :D

[The Feral Underclass]

1) He quit smoking quite a few years ago - and besides, whats wrong with smoking cigars?

2) And who are you going to claim he sold out to?&#33;? America?&#33;?&#33;?

3) He actually lives/lived in a quite humble one-or-two-room house in Havana.

At what point was he going to give control to the working class....it had been fifty years...he had no intention of doing it. He porbably didnt even care....why would he. He was the ruler of a country, he had everything provided for him. So he stands and talks for 12 hours at a time, that dosnt make him the champion of working class values. Giving power to the workers and liberating them is what working class struggle is about...What was he waiting for?

[Soviet power supreme]

While I was searching on google I found this
http://www.uncoveror.com/castro.htm :D

Fidel is alive.He cant be dead.He will live longer than anyone on this board. :castro: :cuba:

VIVA FIDEL

[Ortega]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 16 2004, 04:53 PM

1) He quit smoking quite a few years ago - and besides, whats wrong with smoking cigars?

2) And who are you going to claim he sold out to?&#33;? America?&#33;?&#33;?

3) He actually lives/lived in a quite humble one-or-two-room house in Havana.

At what point was he going to give control to the working class....it had been fifty years...he had no intention of doing it. He porbably didnt even care....why would he. He was the ruler of a country, he had everything provided for him. So he stands and talks for 12 hours at a time, that dosnt make him the champion of working class values. Giving power to the workers and liberating them is what working class struggle is about...What was he waiting for?
I see that you&#39;re not answering any of my points, and instead bringing up a new one to debate...

[Bolshevika]

TAT: WHAT have you done for the people? Nothing, so when do you get off insulting Fidel for smoking cigars? Many people in Cuba smoke cigars, especially those that work in cigar factories, they are allowed to bring 2-4 home (Tabacco Habana hand rolleds go for about 20 bucks each here in the states).

Fidel lived in a house that is an average house in the suburbs by Western standards. So what? He deserves it. He has the hardest job in Cuba, making it work&#33;

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 06:52 PM

Don&#39;t put your faith in the revolutionary, put your faith in the Ideal.


I just hope that that ideal still truly exists in Latin America. The FARC and the ELN have become little more than drug-smuggling mafias, though with better intentions, and the Zapatistas have been hopelessly crushed by the Mexican government.
I just hope that the flame of revolution in Latin America is not yet dead. I hope that the ideal really does still exist.
There will always be people with the revolutionary zeal. We must not worry about the death of one, when there are thousands to step up and fight with the same bravery.

THE UNIVERSE WILL PROVIDE&#33;

[The Feral Underclass]

my description was rhetorical. The point is that he didnt care. Ok, so he didnt smoke cigars...ya got me...he sold out to a life of not having to worry about anything.....and living in a nice humble home, with people to cook him food, serve it to him, drive him around. It&#39;s alot more than the cuban people got....they are lucky if they get a meal a day, some champion of working class values. Dont make me fucking piss my self with hysterical laughter. If you think for one minute that fidel castro was ever going to liberate the working class from the yoke of his dictatorship yoy are delusional...Like I said, fifty years since the revolution...What was he waiting for?

[The Feral Underclass]

TAT: WHAT have you done for the people? Nothing, so when do you get off insulting Fidel for smoking cigars? Many people in Cuba smoke cigars, especially those that work in cigar factories, they are allowed to bring 2-4 home (Tabacco Habana hand rolleds go for about 20 bucks each here in the states).

Fidel lived in a house that is an average house in the suburbs by Western standards. So what? He deserves it. He has the hardest job in Cuba, making it work&#33;

Your still talking are you?

[STI]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 09:46 PM
Castro is, or was Latin America&#39;s last major hope against Capitalism.
That&#39;s really not true. Who really knows what new hero might spring up to liberate a Latin American country.

[Bolshevika]

So TAT: How long do you think it would take for the US tanks to start rolling into Habana if Fidel completely abolished the government?

[The Feral Underclass]

the guy may have started out as a hero....but that was long forgotten......

[The Feral Underclass]

So TAT: How long do you think it would take for the US tanks to start rolling into Habana if Fidel completely abolished the government?

I&#39;m not asking you to udnerstand anything bolshevika. I havent the patience to argue with you about anarchism. You&#39;re irrelevant.

[canikickit]

I support whatever choice Mother Nature makes&#33;

:lol:

[Bolshevika]

Use logic TAT, do you really think a country that is 90 miles off the coast of Florida would last a minute if there is no central government?

If it wasn&#39;t for the central government Cuba would&#39;ve starved. The bit about Cubans get 1 meal a day is just downright false, the food distribution in Cuba is far superior to that of the Western countries, people get food for each person of their family rather than getting 1 wage and purchasing it (hence many people in the prosperous western countries get 1 or 2 meals a day because of this, especially children). If you talk to a Cuban that isn&#39;t allied with some anti-castro group he/she will tell they never felt hunger. Yes, eating the same food can be boring, they get chicken/meat maybe 5 times a year, however, they do not starve.

The life expectency in Cuba is almost the same as the top western capitalist countries. How can this be if they are all malnuritied?

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 16 2004, 09:40 PM
Any dream of achieving communism in cuba had long been forgotten, if not by the workers, definatly by those who ruled them. The revolution has long been erased from peoples memories. Except those who sit in message boards and reminisce over what could have been. Another failed attempt at Leninism. I have no sympothy. Another stalinist gone, another sell out gone. The workers of cuba are better of with out him and the vanguard that rule them. Castro got old, he got comfortable, he forgot. Good riddance to him.

Long Live the Cuban Working Class&#33;
Whatever you think of Fidel, at least have truth to your rhetoric. Fidel is not, and has never been a Stalinist.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 16 2004, 09:32 PM
I think it is a lame rumor. It would be all over the news if it were the case. There is nothing about it in Telemundo (a worm-controlled TV station in the US).
Telemundo is mexican.

[Intifada]

if fidel has died, which i doubt (coz i dont want to hear it), then i hope it isnt the end of cuban revolution.

[The Feral Underclass]

Whatever you think of Fidel, at least have truth to your rhetoric. Fidel is not, and has never been a Stalinist.

Well he had a great time with the revisionists....stalinist or not he was no champion of the working class. At least not for the last 45 years.


if fidel has died, which i doubt (coz i dont want to hear it), then i hope it isnt the end of cuban revolution.

The cuban revolution ended a long time ago.

[Pete]

I think the Cuban revolution will be put to the test when he dies, and we will see if it really was to succeed. If it collapses after his death, then the revolution was killed by Castro.


Don&#39;t put your faith in the revolutionary, put your faith in the Ideal.

Exactly. This is the point redstar and son of rage are pushing in the Bob Avaikin thread.

[Intifada]

i know it ended ages ago but now america may interfere with what the cuban revolution won.

[The Feral Underclass]

What revolution pete? I dont get it? The revolution ended 50 years ago&#33; What was he waiting for?

[The Feral Underclass]

i know it ended ages ago but now america may interfere with what the cuban revolution won.

What did it win exactly?

[Intifada]

freedom from batista.

[Pete]

Anarchist, the revolution does not end in a moment it is always evovling. The revolution ends when all are free. I do not know all that much about Cuba, but I can tell you that it was still changing and improving as the years went on. That is obvious in their education, health, and social services, as well as the increase of rights from what they were since anypoint in Cuba&#39;s post-Spanish conquest period. Don&#39;t be an idiot. The revolution has to last generations, and if it cannot continue after its leader passes, it means that that leader did something that made it so. Keeping power too long, or other such things. If it stays in the Castro family, then the Castro family has killed it.

Don&#39;t be such a idiot Anarchist. You say a lot of good things, but what you are saying now is pure bullshit and ignorance.

[The Feral Underclass]

freedom from batista.

what relevance does that have to workers liberation?

[Ortega]

The workers were liberated from Batista.

[The Feral Underclass]

Pete


Anarchist, the revolution does not end in a moment it is always evovling.

In a general sense I suppose from the second the workers go onto the streets and begin to fight the bouregoisie the revolution is evolving.


The revolution ends when all are free.

Yes but the workers have to cosncious and armed in order to do this.


but I can tell you that it was still changing and improving as the years went on.

For who? What is the point of a revolution? The point of a revolution is for the workers to take control of society. Had that been achieved in cuba? Over the fifty years it ahs been since batista has gone have the workers come any closer to liberation. Has the revolution evolved with any relevance to working class struggle? No&#33;


That is obvious in their education, health, and social services, as well as the increase of rights from what they were since anypoint in Cuba&#39;s post-Spanish conquest period. Don&#39;t be an idiot.

That&#39;s not liberation. So they have health care. So do I&#33; They have education. So do I&#33; They have some rights&#33; So do I....that dosnt make me liberated. Just because they were handed some concessions does not make castro a hero. Tony Blair repealed section 28 in the UK. That dosnt make him a champion of working class struggle. I&#39;m not the idiot here&#33;


The revolution has to last generations

A revolution with any point must come from a conscious mass of workers. A revolution does not take generations, it takes as long as it takes to over throw the ruling class. Well, that was fifty years ago in cubas case.


it cannot continue after its leader passes, it means that that leader did something that made it so.

A revolution of conscious workers does not need leaders. The point of a revolution is to smash this hierarchical structure. Simply by having "leaders" the revolution has been betrayed and lost.


Don&#39;t be such a idiot Anarchist. You say a lot of good things, but what you are saying now is pure bullshit and ignorance.

I am sorry you can not agree with my opinion. But that&#39;s the purpose of debate is it not.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by ernestolynch+Jan 17 2004, 05:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ernestolynch @ Jan 17 2004, 05:48 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 09:45 PM

The Anarchist [email protected] 16 2004, 09:40 PM
Any dream of achieving communism in cuba had long been forgotten, if not by the workers, definatly by those who ruled them. The revolution has long been erased from peoples memories. Except those who sit in message boards and reminisce over what could have been. Another failed attempt at Leninism. I have no sympothy. Another stalinist gone, another sell out gone. The workers of cuba are better of with out him and the vanguard that rule them. Castro got old, he got comfortable, he forgot. Good riddance to him.

Long Live the Cuban Working Class&#33;
Anarchist Tension: That is horrible of you, a man who risked his life for the Cuban people, a person who put the people before everything. This isn&#39;t Ronald Reagan&#33; You still hold the pipedream that the Cuban will somehow "rise up" and start an Anarchist revolution? The chances of this are laughable. Raul is far more "stalinist" than Fidel, so the revolution is not dead. Yes, I have disagreements with Fidel, but he is heroic overall. How dare you say these things about Comrade Fidel&#33;? If you want to post this garbage, take it elsewhere, fuck you. :angry:
Well said. [/b]
Indeed. That comment by TAT was a display of extreme sectarianism and lack of respect for fellow revolutionaries. Just because Fidel is human and thus, not perfect, dosen&#39;t mean he should be opposed. Sectarian anarchists and Trotskyists live in a dream world in which they can create a utopia out of scratch and anything less than a utopia should be vehemently opposed. Wake up, morons&#33; We need pragmatism, not idealism. Fidel a hero of the Cuban people and as such should be respected.

AGUANTE FIDEL&#33;

[The Feral Underclass]

So for disagreeing with fidels leadership of the cuban working class, I am a sectarian....Incredible. Defending your fallen icon. Pathetic. I&#39;m sorry if I dont accept the authority of a 70 year old president, but then again, I dont accept the authority of any president, I especially despise those people who become presidents in the name of the working class.

I support the cuban working class. Not your fidel. If that makes me a sectarian then so be it.

[The Feral Underclass]

Fidel a hero of the Cuban people and as such should be respected.

If George Bush was the hero of the amerian people should we respect him too?

[Y2A]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 16 2004, 10:43 PM
George Bush is the hero of the amerian people. Should we respect him too?
George Bush is not the hero of the american people you tool&#33;

[Ortega]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 16 2004, 05:43 PM

Fidel a hero of the Cuban people and as such should be respected.

George Bush is the hero of the amerian people. Should we respect him too?
Since when has George Bush ever been a hero of the American people?&#33;?&#33; :blink:

[The Feral Underclass]

Correction....i changed it&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Ortega]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 16 2004, 05:43 PM

Fidel a hero of the Cuban people and as such should be respected.

If George Bush was the hero of the amerian people should we respect him too?
If he were a hero of the American people, then chances are he would actually be worthy in some way of being respected.
That&#39;s totally hypothetical.

[El Brujo]

I support the Cuban working class too. That&#39;s why I support Fidel. Fidel has dedicated his life to improving conditions in Cuba as well as Latin America and Africa and contributed greatly to the curving of western imperialism. Now tell me, what have YOU (or any anarchist, for that matter) done or accomplished in the battle against capitalism and imperialism? Little, if anything at all. Yet you criticize revolutionary leaders for not doing things your way and creating a fluffy utopia where everyone holds hands and sings "Koomaya my Lord" without the least bit of strife. In short: practice what you preach. With your dogmatic attitude, you won&#39;t get far at all.

[The Feral Underclass]

Fidel has dedicated his life to improving conditions in Cuba as well as Latin America and Africa and contributed greatly to the curving of western imperialism.

I can accept he ahs imporved conditions in Cuba. I dont think that is true at all. I am going to Mozambique for siz months in march and they, and angola, and tanzania and the congo all rejected marxist-leninist over the last ten years. What power does castro have anymore, to curb western imperialism.


Now tell me, what have YOU (or any anarchist, for that matter) done or accomplished in the battle against capitalism and imperialism?

We&#39;re not talking about anarchism...we&#39;re talking about fidel. This is a compeletly different subject and isnt related to this thread what so ever.


Little, if anything at all.

Me personally, no. Only what I can do and I will continue to do it until it isnt necessary anymore.


Yet you criticize revolutionary leaders for not doing things your way and creating a fluffy utopia where everyone holds hands and sings "Koomaya my Lord" without the least bit of strife.

Come on man&#33; If this is what you think then your a fool. For a start that songs a religious song and anarchists are predmoinantly materialist and oppose any form of hierarchical authority, including god. Secondly wanting to fight for a utpoia is not a bad thing. Why live in anything less.

I oppose fidel castro on principle yes. I&#39;m sorry if that upsets you.


short: practice what you preach.

I dont have to explain my life to you not do I have to justify it and I do not appreciate you presuming things without knowing me and forcing me to do just that.


With your dogmatic attitude, you won&#39;t get far at all.

I&#39;m not being dogmatic. I just dont agree with you&#33;

[dannie]

anyone got confirmation on this one??

[lucid]

Just another log for satans fire. If he did die that is.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 06:08 PM
Just another log for satans fire. If he did die that is.
:angry:

And you said you would start acting less like a cappie pig.. <_<

[lucid]

Originally posted by Ortega+Jan 16 2004, 11:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ortega @ Jan 16 2004, 11:08 PM)
[email protected] 16 2004, 06:08 PM
Just another log for satans fire. If he did die that is.
:angry:

And you said you would start acting less like a cappie pig.. <_< [/b]
What I said has nothing to do with being a capitalist. I just think he is a monster and he will have to answer for it. You can believe whatever you want. <_<

[Ortega]

It was the pig part, that I meant more, not the cappie...

And what makes you call him a monster?&#33; The fact that he overthrew America&#39;s beloved Batista and liberated the people of Cuba? The fact that he nationalized all businesses in Cuba and cost your beloved USA 17,000,000?

What makes him a monster, lucid?

[The Feral Underclass]

yeah lucid&#33;&#33;&#33;

[ElRuso1967]

Its unbelievable how a leftist website has become so infected with counterrevolutionary Parasites&#33; the admin team for this site should take a harder line against the counterrevolutionary disease that is rampant in every corner of this site. I think more bannings are in order&#33; starting with lucid and the anarchist tension&#33;

[Pete]

Revolution is about change Anarchist, (btw I am not going to do a point for point break down of your post, that way I don&#39;t have to repeat myself as I can reply to all your points in a paragraph or so) we both accept that. It begins when the change starts, and ends when it is either succesfful or &#39;killed&#39; by someone. As long as their is continual change towards the final goal the revolution is still moving. It can also stagnate, which Castro may have done, though of course that is false as we can see the changes over the course of the last 5 decades.

The point is not what you have. I don&#39;t give a shit, that is not we are talking about and that is where your arguement is pointless, and yes where you are being the idiot. The change was from the oppressive Batista regime to Castro&#39;s regime. It is much more egalitarian, and better for everyone. What you have in Britian means nothing to this. The fact is that Cuba is changing and did.

There is the problem, you are basing the Cuban revolution, that of a thrid world nation to a second, on the basis of your life in the first world. Your arguement is therefore fatally flawed.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 06:26 PM
Revolution is about change Anarchist, (btw I am not going to do a point for point break down of your post, that way I don&#39;t have to repeat myself as I can reply to all your points in a paragraph or so) we both accept that. It begins when the change starts, and ends when it is either succesfful or &#39;killed&#39; by someone. As long as their is continual change towards the final goal the revolution is still moving. It can also stagnate, which Castro may have done, though of course that is false as we can see the changes over the course of the last 5 decades.

The point is not what you have. I don&#39;t give a shit, that is not we are talking about and that is where your arguement is pointless, and yes where you are being the idiot. The change was from the oppressive Batista regime to Castro&#39;s regime. It is much more egalitarian, and better for everyone. What you have in Britian means nothing to this. The fact is that Cuba is changing and did.

There is the problem, you are basing the Cuban revolution, that of a thrid world nation to a second, on the basis of your life in the first world. Your arguement is therefore fatally flawed.
Very well said.

[ElRuso1967]

QUOTE (Pete @ Jan 16 2004, 06:26 PM)
Revolution is about change Anarchist, (btw I am not going to do a point for point break down of your post, that way I don&#39;t have to repeat myself as I can reply to all your points in a paragraph or so) we both accept that. It begins when the change starts, and ends when it is either succesfful or &#39;killed&#39; by someone. As long as their is continual change towards the final goal the revolution is still moving. It can also stagnate, which Castro may have done, though of course that is false as we can see the changes over the course of the last 5 decades.

The point is not what you have. I don&#39;t give a shit, that is not we are talking about and that is where your arguement is pointless, and yes where you are being the idiot. The change was from the oppressive Batista regime to Castro&#39;s regime. It is much more egalitarian, and better for everyone. What you have in Britian means nothing to this. The fact is that Cuba is changing and did.

There is the problem, you are basing the Cuban revolution, that of a thrid world nation to a second, on the basis of your life in the first world. Your arguement is therefore fatally flawed.

I agree

[The Feral Underclass]

Lets stop with the name calling first of all please.

So what you&#39;re arguing is that revolution exists as long as there is a revolutionary movement. Sorry, i dont agree. Revolution is an act of upheavel. An uprising. In my opinion it has to be a mass of conscious workers working to dismantle capitalism and the state. In my opinion a revolution is the beginning of such a conscious uprising. This uprising began fifty years ago. What was the point of it. Was it to get rid of batista or was it supposed to liberate the working class?

The point is not what they have. It is never what they have. The working class in the west have lots of nice things. Does that mean they are liberated? I can accept taht castro has done alot for cuba, a lot of good things. But he has not brought about workers liberation, and for me, taht is the point of any workers revolution. Surely the revolution was not simply about bringing health care and education. It was about bringing about workers control of society. He does call himself a communist after all.

As for my argument being pointless, I fail to see what you mean by this.


There is the problem, you are basing the Cuban revolution, that of a thrid world nation to a second, on the basis of your life in the first world. Your arguement is therefore fatally flawed.

You are basing your argument on what the levels of success are. You claim that the revolution was succesful because there is now health care and education. But these things are pointless within the grand scheme of workers liberation. The success of a workers revolution is not what concessions the workers are given, but whether or not they have been liberated from exploitation and oppression. That has not happened in cuba.

[canikickit]

I will not care greatly on the passing of Fidel Castro.

If he is the great hero he is proclaimed to be, then the revolution will persevere. The reality is based on how the people feel and what they want, not on the smiling (or otherwise) face said to be their boss.

I do think that Castro helped achieved some good in Cuba and he&#39;s not the worst guy on the planet. He&#39;s probably even a pretty good guy.

[RedCeltic]

I AM THE GREAT FIDEL CASTRO.... THE GREAT AND WONDERFUL GOD OF COMMUNISM, YOU SHALL ALL BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP AT MY FEET&#33;

hehe.... I agree with The Anarchist Tension for the most part on this... Just some guy that did some stuff in the past, and kind of hung around and outlived his relivence.

I suppose I respect him a bit more that The Anarchist Tension does, however I&#39;m not going to cry anymore for his death than I did for Bob Hope... (and what a sad day that was lol )

[The Feral Underclass]

so im not going to get banned then?

[RedCeltic]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 16 2004, 05:46 PM
so im not going to get banned then?
I&#39;ll have to think about it... :lol:

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 11:44 PM
Just some guy that did some stuff in the past, and kind of hung around and outlived his relivence.
By deciphering your poor spelling, I worked out that you believe that Fidel Castro Ruz has &#39;hung on&#39; and &#39;outlived his relevance&#39;.

So what do you advocate - a Logan&#39;s Run scenario where everyone over a certain age are exterminated?

At what age do you deem people to be &#39;hanging on&#39;?

[Pete]

That has not happened in cuba

That is what I was saying. Its still going on, though not as quickly as it did in the early days. And yes education and health are important to the liberation of the working class. Through education comes emancipation, especially if that is what the education teaches. How did you emancipate yourself? :P

When Castro dies Leninism will have its next test. Can it survive? I doubt it, although I would not be suprised if the Cubans evolve the Leninism they have into something different.

I quoted that sentence because that is something we agree on. It has not happened yet, but the struggle is ongoing.

[Exploited Class]

Wow all in one day, The Pope, Fidel and now Cheney&#33; What is going on???

[The Feral Underclass]

The problem here pete is that I oppose leninism on principle. I do not believe the nature of the revolution should have happened the way it did, so castro was an enemy to the working class from day one. Even if the revolution is on going, I do not agree with it&#39;s principles or its practice.

[ernestolynch]

Yeah you believe that chief, but no-one in the Exploited World does, so maybe YOU are right and the MILLIONS are wrong?


Western arrogance.

[Bolshevika]

TAT you have to open up your mind, even as an anarchist you ought to see Cuba as atleast progressive. Political, or even life in general, isn&#39;t all black and white, there is certainly a gray area.

For example, I&#39;d support any democrat except for maybe the blatantly right-wing ones (like Libermen, Gephhardt, etc) over Bush, not because I like them, but because I hate Bush. I&#39;d support Dean for example (I don&#39;t know about Clark, I don&#39;t like him because he led the NATO terror war against Yugoslavia, but has some good tax ideas like, the obvious, TAXING THE RICH MORE THAN THE POOR).

[The Feral Underclass]

Yeah you believe that chief, but no-one in the Exploited World does, so maybe YOU are right and the MILLIONS are wrong?


Western arrogance.

Who is this aimed at?

[Exploited Class]

He must be a freaking cyborg or something&#33; That ain&#39;t right&#33;

[RedCeltic]

By deciphering your poor spelling, I worked out that you believe that Fidel Castro Ruz has &#39;hung on&#39; and &#39;outlived his relevance&#39;.


Well I surely hope that you proving you know how to spell has given you the ego boost that you needed to get yourself through yet another day without hanging yourself.

[The Feral Underclass]

Look. I have the right to my opinion. I do not appreciate people sening me instant messages on MSN hurling abuse at me. You know who you are. This is a forum message board where people come with different views and opinions. Unfortunatly for you, my opinion does not fall into the mainstream on this one. Never the less, I am entitled to it, without fear of being attacked or absued because of it.

I have been called a ****, I have been accused of supporting George Bush, I have been accused of "sucking nazis balls" and the rest. It is rediculas and completely out of order. This is not contructive debate, it is harrasment.

All of you. Stop it Now&#33;

[Bolshevika]

I have been accused of "sucking nazis balls"

ROFL


Never the less, I am entitled to it, without fear of being attacked or absued because of it.

Welcome to Che-lives.

[ernestolynch]

Are Nazis entitled to their opinions? Where do you draw the line? (It is a fine one)

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 17 2004, 02:31 AM
Look. I have the right to my opinion. I do not appreciate people sening me instant messages on MSN hurling abuse at me. You know who you are. This is a forum message board where people come with different views and opinions. Unfortunatly for you, my opinion does not fall into the mainstream on this one. Never the less, I am entitled to it, without fear of being attacked or absued because of it.

I have been called a ****, I have been accused of supporting George Bush, I have been accused of "sucking nazis balls" and the rest. It is rediculas and completely out of order. This is not contructive debate, it is harrasment.

All of you. Stop it Now&#33;
Cry baby

[Exploited Class]

And the last one, it proves that Fidel is a Cyborg sent from the future to save us&#33;

[The Feral Underclass]

It seems pretty crazy to me that people can understand what anarchism is. Anarchism being opposed to a state, a government and hierarchy, and then when I am opposed to all those things, there is complete shock and astonishment. I&#39;m an anarchist. Not a leninist. I do not support the dictatorship of the proletariat. I do not support what happened in Russia, not what is happening in China, not what is happening in Vietnam and nor what is happening in Cuba. I appose the concept of the state, what ever its name. Why is this news to you people. Am i supposed to fall down crying because someone who led a revolution to create a "workers" state died.

People keep saying "but he did great things for cuba," maybe so, but Hitler did great things for german, that does not mean I have to ignore all his politics just because he managed to build some moterways and give evryone jobs.

I am sorry if I have pissed all over your icon, but deal with it. Your all supposed to be mature enough to do that. Some pesky anarchist has come and trampled on your great revolutionary hero. Get over it&#33;

[ComradeRobertRiley]

heres my dummy, heres my pram.

Throws dummy away.

[Bolshevika]

Hitler did great things for german

I disagree. Hitler was bad.

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 17 2004, 12:31 AM
Look. I have the right to my opinion. I do not appreciate people sening me instant messages on MSN hurling abuse at me. You know who you are. This is a forum message board where people come with different views and opinions. Unfortunatly for you, my opinion does not fall into the mainstream on this one. Never the less, I am entitled to it, without fear of being attacked or absued because of it.

I have been called a ****, I have been accused of supporting George Bush, I have been accused of "sucking nazis balls" and the rest. It is rediculas and completely out of order. This is not contructive debate, it is harrasment.

All of you. Stop it Now&#33;
http://koti.mbnet.fi/maple/opel_cryme.jpg

[The Feral Underclass]

ComradeRoberRiley

Can you give a constructive debate? No, of course you cant. Do you know why? because your understanding of reoluvtionary politics is worse than bolshevikas. Your brovada macho bullshit attitude is embarresing. You, a champion for the working class. My god, if you are all the working class have, lets only hope god exists. If you have something positive to say, let&#39;s here it. Right a post and criticise my opinions for all to see. Of course it will never come, because you havent got the ability to string together any coherent argument. All you can do is look for icons to follow. Your a menace&#33;

ernestolynch

You are comparing my opposition to castro to nazism? Are you saying im not entitled to my opinion?

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 17 2004, 12:43 AM

Hitler did great things for german
Such as? Are you a fucking Nazi or what?

[RedCeltic]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 16 2004, 06:31 PM
Look. I have the right to my opinion. I do not appreciate people sening me instant messages on MSN hurling abuse at me. You know who you are. This is a forum message board where people come with different views and opinions. Unfortunatly for you, my opinion does not fall into the mainstream on this one. Never the less, I am entitled to it, without fear of being attacked or absued because of it.

I have been called a ****, I have been accused of supporting George Bush, I have been accused of "sucking nazis balls" and the rest. It is rediculas and completely out of order. This is not contructive debate, it is harrasment.

All of you. Stop it Now&#33;
Harassment is grounds for banning. If people continue to send harassing PMs to TAT they will be banned. He has a right to his opinion and you have a right to yours. Please respect that.

[The Feral Underclass]

Such as? Are you a fucking Nazi or what?

You stupid fucking people...Your a fucking mess&#33;&#33;&#33;

If you cant see my point then that&#39;s your problem&#33;

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 17 2004, 12:48 AM

ernestolynch

You are comparing my opposition to castro to nazism? Are you saying im not entitled to my opinion?
You&#39;re the one who said &#39;Hitler was good for German(y)&#39;..............if the cap fits....

[The Feral Underclass]

Is that you ernst trying to get me to accept your messenger id?

[RedCeltic]

Originally posted by ernestolynch+Jan 16 2004, 06:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ernestolynch @ Jan 16 2004, 06:48 PM)
The Anarchist [email protected] 17 2004, 12:43 AM

Hitler did great things for german
Such as? Are you a fucking Nazi or what? [/b]
His point was that nothing is as black and white as you make it out to be. You know damn well that he isn&#39;t a Nazi, so rather than acting like a little child, why don&#39;t you try and figure out what he is telling you.

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 12:49 AM
Harassment is grounds for banning. If people continue to send harassing PMs to TAT they will be banned. He has a right to his opinion and you have a right to yours. Please respect that.
As far as what that Tatty anarchid fella said - he hasn&#39;t been sent any PMs. It seems its all happened on MSN. Now I haven&#39;t got a clue what MSN is but I presume its where kids play around and call eachother &#39;YoU FuKr&#39; etc.

Do the Centre-Right moderators on Che-Betrayed have dominion over what goes on in MSN chatrooms now?

Where did he say he has received PMs?

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by RedCeltic+Jan 17 2004, 12:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RedCeltic @ Jan 17 2004, 12:53 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 06:48 PM

The Anarchist [email protected] 17 2004, 12:43 AM

Hitler did great things for german
Such as? Are you a fucking Nazi or what?
His point was that nothing is as black and white as you make it out to be. You know damn well that he isn&#39;t a Nazi, so rather than acting like a little child, why don&#39;t you try and figure out what he is telling you. [/b]
Do YOU agree with him that Hitler did &#39;great things for German(y)&#39;? Yes or NO?

[ComradeRobertRiley]

he was talking about MSN because it was me insulting him as i have done every day for about a month now.

The fucking admin/mods on here have no contol over MSN thank you very fucking much

[RedCeltic]

Do YOU agree with him that Hitler did &#39;great things for German(y)&#39;? Yes or NO?

Good for blond haired blue eyed Germans, bad for the rest of the world.

[The Feral Underclass]

why dont you display the entire quote....you have completely taken me out of context.

What I said was


People keep saying "but he did great things for cuba," maybe so, but Hitler did great things for german, that does not mean I have to ignore all his politics just because he managed to build some moterways and give evryone jobs.

Now the meaning is clear.

As for you CRR.


he was talking about MSN because it was me insulting him as i have done every day for about a month now.

Are you completely out of your mind. This is an absolute lie. This is the first and only time you have ever attacked me. In fact, it was you who asked me to make you a contact on my msn. What is going on in your head?

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 17 2004, 02:59 AM
why dont you display the entire quote....you have completely taken me out of context.

What I said was


People keep saying "but he did great things for cuba," maybe so, but Hitler did great things for german, that does not mean I have to ignore all his politics just because he managed to build some moterways and give evryone jobs.

Now the meaning is clear.

As for you CRR.


he was talking about MSN because it was me insulting him as i have done every day for about a month now.

Are you completely out of your mind. This is an absolute lie. This is the first and only time you have ever attacked me. In fact, it was you who asked me to make you a contact on my msn. What is going on in your head?
Hey&#33; i may be crazy but im not a fool

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 12:59 AM

Do YOU agree with him that Hitler did &#39;great things for German(y)&#39;? Yes or NO?

Good for blond haired blue eyed Germans, bad for the rest of the world.
&#39;Blond haired blue eyed&#39; - now I know you are a schoolkid who hasn&#39;t studied Fascist Germany to any detail.

Were &#39;blond haired blue eyed&#39; German Communists (sorry &#39;Stalinists&#39;) having a good time in Dachau?

Muppet.

[sickofyou]

alright, im leaving this site just becuz now i see how wrong some of the post iv made were being told from a pretens that i could change a corrupt world; wheter it be my own philosophy or any others that i happen to like, communism is one that i embrace becuz it gets passion and things to change, usually at the dear price of the man who struggles against any tyranical government. SO what does this mean? basicly im a communist and love the ideas and principles of this commune. A few other boards i&#39;ve participated in have had freedom; or at least not like others where they are dull or boring and usually kick me off. Im not going to name IYTs names becuz it is just a tool for the people. Like a lot of you i love and hurt from the pain of being a common poor white boy from the u.s not some powerfull figur of speech cuz i ain&#39;t given up. Just going to be a hard-core realist with no fuckin dogma or label me X

to quote someone who helped "All people have the right to a revolution All people have a right to be ___."-UNKNOWN :hammer:

[The Feral Underclass]

&#39;Blond haired blue eyed&#39; - now I know you are a schoolkid who hasn&#39;t studied Fascist Germany to any detail.

Were &#39;blond haired blue eyed&#39; German Communists (sorry &#39;Stalinists&#39;) having a good time in Dachau?

Muppet.

oh. my. god.....

[RedCeltic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 06:56 PM
he was talking about MSN because it was me insulting him as i have done every day for about a month now.

The fucking admin/mods on here have no contol over MSN thank you very fucking much
I missread that, I thought he mentioned in PMs and Messangers.

If you had been sending him messanges for months I would be shocked that TAT didn&#39;t block you.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

we insult each other for fun (he gets some kick out of it)

[The Feral Underclass]

If you had been sending him messanges for months I would be shocked that TAT didn&#39;t block you.

He didnt. It&#39;s a complete lie?

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 17 2004, 01:04 AM

&#39;Blond haired blue eyed&#39; - now I know you are a schoolkid who hasn&#39;t studied Fascist Germany to any detail.

Were &#39;blond haired blue eyed&#39; German Communists (sorry &#39;Stalinists&#39;) having a good time in Dachau?

Muppet.

oh. my. god.....
No such thing as your god. Sorry to break it to you.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

What you on about TAT your memory not what it used to be?

[Le Libérer]

Any word about this rumour? Maybe this tread would do better moved to the Commie Club. Just a suggestion.

[Bolshevika]

NO&#33; To hell with the Commie Club. I started this thread, I have a right to read what goes on in my masterpiece of a post.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

whatever.

Im bored of this shit anyway.

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by Debora [email protected] 17 2004, 01:15 AM
Any word about this rumour? Maybe this tread would do better moved to the Commie Club. Just a suggestion.
Who are you? Are you new to the boards?

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 01:16 AM
Che Guevara was a Trotskyist



:lol: :lol:

[ComradeRobertRiley]

put your glasses on.

and over to your left you will see under the persons name their details such as when they joined telling you that she is not a new arrival

[Exploited Class]

Hey&#33;

[Le Libérer]

Originally posted by ernestolynch+Jan 17 2004, 01:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ernestolynch @ Jan 17 2004, 01:18 AM)
Debora [email protected] 17 2004, 01:15 AM
Any word about this rumour? Maybe this tread would do better moved to the Commie Club. Just a suggestion.
Who are you? Are you new to the boards? [/b]
Give me a fucking break. I opened and read this topic because its about Castro . Not who called who what. Since you started this topic, tell me did you do it as a joke? Or something you truly heard from someone. Because to me, its very important, and not a topic to slide insult to.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

of course its bullshit, our fidel is alive

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 01:19 AM
put your glasses on.

and over to your left you will see under the persons name their details such as when they joined telling you that she is not a new arrival
Ah - over a year after me though.

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by Debora Aro+Jan 17 2004, 01:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Debora Aro @ Jan 17 2004, 01:20 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 01:18 AM

Debora [email protected] 17 2004, 01:15 AM
Any word about this rumour? Maybe this tread would do better moved to the Commie Club. Just a suggestion.
Who are you? Are you new to the boards?
Give me a fucking break. I opened and read this topic because its about Castro . Not who called who what. Since you started this topic, tell me did you do it as a joke? Or something you truly heard from someone. Because to me, its very important, and not a topic to slide insult to. [/b]
put your glasses on

over to your left you will find a username whic is different from that which started the thread

[ComradeRobertRiley]

you never asked when she started the thread.

you said who are you are you new to the boards.

Your question is ansered over the left side.

Whats that got to do with the starting of the thread?

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 01:27 AM
you never asked when she started the thread.

you said who are you are you new to the boards.

Your question is ansered over the left side.

Whats that got to do with the starting of the thread?
Go back and read the thread in chronological order, son, you are making a fool out of yourself again.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

you read it properly, you dont even know what you are saying.

I hate you and hope you die a painful death

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 01:31 AM
you read it properly, you dont even know what you are saying.

I hate you and hope you die a painful death
I am sure that contravenes the Forum Rules.

Could a moderator/administrator confirm this?

(I can&#39;t report posts as I am not a grass)

[ComradeRobertRiley]

you sad pathetic fucker.

cry to mummy and daddy

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 01:39 AM
you sad pathetic fucker.

cry to mummy and daddy
I&#39;d say we&#39;ll add an &#39;Abusive&#39; post to the &#39;Hateful&#39; one you posted before that, clearly breaking Malte&#39;s rules.

Now - let&#39;s see if you are &#39;Restricted&#39;....

[Vinny Rafarino]

He has a point there comrade Riley.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 12:39 PM
you sad pathetic fucker.

cry to mummy and daddy
Did you know that you were voted to be banned in the Commie Club? By a poll you created?

I wonder why...

[synthesis]

I side in between The Anarchist Tension and the Castro supporters on this one. The fall of Leninism in Cuba is a historical inevitability, but I fear for the Cuban people once their security has been destroyed.

[synthesis]

By the way, a note to ernestolynch: I sincerely hope you don&#39;t expect to be unrestricted any time soon :)

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 02:44 AM
By the way, a note to ernestolynch: I sincerely hope you don&#39;t expect to be unrestricted any time soon :)
I&#39;d consider it an insult, chief. :)

I&#39;m happy here with Guevarists.

[Le Libérer]

I have never made a complaint or pertitioned the mods here, but after this fiasco you can bet I will, Skippy.

[Monty Cantsin]

i dont wont to read so many pages so can someone give me a overview of whats going on with fidel and the topic?

[Valkyrie]

The Miami Herald is reporting the same thing too--- though not the most unbiased source, but they do admit its a pretty frequent rumor.


http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/7729760


If true, however, this would be devastating for Cuba. It is too horrible to even think about.

[Exploited Class]

Rumors of Castro&#39;s death sweep Miami-Dade -- again (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/7729760.htm)

Uncorroborated rumors that Cuban President Fidel Castro had died or suffered a stroke buzzed around Miami-Dade County on Friday, with anxious callers inundating police departments, media outlets and exile groups.

&#39;&#39;We&#39;ve gotten hundreds of calls, mostly from the media, but also from our own officers and some members of the public,&#39;&#39; said Miami-Dade police spokesman Randy Rossman. ``At this point, we are not mobilizing anyone for anything special at this time.&#39;&#39;

The latest rumor -- something that has occurred frequently over the years -- appear to have been spawned from comments published Wednesday from Luis Eduardo Garzón, the leftist mayor of Bogota, Colombia. He said that Castro appeared to be &#39;&#39;very sick&#39;&#39; during their talks in late December.

[RedCeltic]

&#39;Blond haired blue eyed&#39; - now I know you are a schoolkid who hasn&#39;t studied Fascist Germany to any detail.

Were &#39;blond haired blue eyed&#39; German Communists (sorry &#39;Stalinists&#39;) having a good time in Dachau?

Muppet.


Are you a whole idiot, or only partly an idiot?

School kid? I&#39;m 33 years old.

As for the blond hair blue eye comment, you obviously don&#39;t know anything about Nazi Germany, nor the "Master race."

And you have expressed a total lack of ability to understand a fucking joke when you see one.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS YOU OBVIOUS MORON...


CAN

YOU

UNDERSTAND


A

FUCKING


JOKE?


dUHH?&#33;