May I ask. . .

[TheMaroon]

Out of curiosity, may ask what the problem with Nationalism, what if it were a Communist Nationalism, isn't communism achieved in one state good, especially if everyone has a great sense of country and patriotism about it? Just Curious

[Petrol Bomb]

For starters, Communism is a global system, and necessitates the end to states and borders, you can't just achieve Communism in a handful of isolated countries, because it will be crushed by existing countries where the bourgeoisie wields political power. Secondly, the working class is an international class, so Communism is an inherently internationalist doctrine. Oh, and Nationalism is a pretty dangerous ideology.

[Blake's Baby]

There is no 'communist nationalism' because communism isn't a country.

If there's a country, there isn't communism; so to be patrotic about a state is to tie yourself to the ruling class of that state, against the working class of other states.

The workers have no country; just chains.

[Sharia Lawn]

Nationalism ideologically binds the working class of one nation to their domestic ruling class. It justifies the pitting of the working class of one nation against the other, when there exists conflict between national ruling classes and as such prevents unity of the world proletariat, acting as an ideological barrier for socialist revolution. For this reason, communists can only look upon nationalism with the utmost disgust and should devote political resources to combatting nationalist sentiment.

As Blake's Baby said, communism as an international community of freely associated producers without states, classes, or borders runs completely contrary to nationalist causes.

[tachosomoza]

I'm really starting to think this OP is a right libertarian troll.

[Blake's Baby]

Why? They might just be a Stalinist.

If you go to the 'should the Soviet Union have been supported against Nazi Germany?' thread you'll see all sorts of justifications for 'Socialist Patriotism' or any other pro-USSR nonsense.

[TheMaroon]

I'm really starting to think this OP is a right libertarian troll.
Sir, I assure you I am not.

[Lobotomy]

There is no 'communist nationalism' because communism isn't a country.

If there's a country, there isn't communism; so to be patrotic about a state is to tie yourself to the ruling class of that state, against the working class of other states.

The workers have no country; just chains.

But to be fair, there are nations that are not countries.

[#FF0000]

Out of curiosity, may ask what the problem with Nationalism, what if it were a Communist Nationalism, isn't communism achieved in one state good, especially if everyone has a great sense of country and patriotism about it? Just Curious

The problem is that capitalism is a global system, and so long as that is the case, then every nation-state is set up to compete in that game. If communists come to power in one country alone, then the best they can really hope to do is manage a capitalist state in a slightly different way. Capitalism is international -- the struggle must be international.

[#FF0000]

I'm really starting to think this OP is a right libertarian troll.

Seems like an honest question to me.

[Igor]

ya seriously guys cut it

not everyone who comes here not getting everything from the get go is a troll. that accusation is thrown way too lightly around here

[Sea]

ya seriously guys cut it

not everyone who comes here not getting everything from the get go is a troll. that accusation is thrown way too lightly around hereIf the OP doesn't evolve infallibility within a few months they'll be upgraded from troll to revisionist.

[Red Commissar]

When you've built a state up along this lines it makes it very likely that the state will turn on other minorities, even if it presents itself as a progressive force. In such an event we could have everything from outright repression justified as the particular ethnic group being inherently reactionary when they reject cooperation, or a paternalistic one that boils down to "they'll assimilate into us when they see how great our lives are!". Either scenario and everything in between is already going to create artificial divisions that are going to be exploited regardless of the intentions of those who made the structure were.