Planning on taking direct action at my school...

[Skyhilist]

So this year I'm a senior in high school. There are certain things that our school quite noticeably doesn't teach much about in curriculums.

Some examples of this: U.S. support for Israeli apartheid, and anything relating to cons of capitalism.

At the end of the year I'll be graduating. Here's what I'm thinking of doing. In my school they have various posters hanging on the walls. In order to be hung on the walls, they must be stamped "WHS approved" on them. I'm planning on taking on of these posters, ripping the "WHS approved" part off, pasting it on to my own posters, and making photocopies of those posters so that they just look like photocopies of things that are legitimately WHS approved and wont be taken down by the janitorial staff as quickly.

I'm planning on having posters that say things like: "U.S. supports racial segregation. Learn the truth they don't teach in school" and "Money owns your government and your civics class curriculums", and I also want to have posters with links exposing these websites like ifamericansknew.org

Does anyone have advice for pulling something like this off near the end of the year? I'm planning on doing it after school after most people have left. Can they punish me by not allowing me to graduate high school if I do this? That would probably be the only punishment that's a deal breaker for me. Also, anyone have any advice for other topics I should make posters about to put up all around my school.

Any help and advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

[Rafiq]

Why not things specific to problems kids your age can relate to?

[helot]

Pretty much what Rafiq said.

There must be something at your school that pisses other students off. Try and organise around that.

[Skyhilist]

Why not things specific to problems kids your age can relate to?

People at my school in general are politically mostly democrats and seem to just be mad at republicans and things like that. Oh and we get smaller lunches because of Michelle Obama, and some other mundane shit. So I thought maybe exposing them to some new issue might be helpful, since nothing that the students actually get pissed off about really seems to be of much significance. Maybe I could put some stuff up about opposing the ridiculously bureaucratic way that my school is run, but that's pretty much all that I can think of in terms of things that students at my school would already relate to. I feel like I need more substance than that.

[RedSonRising]

People at my school in general are politically mostly democrats and seem to just be mad at republicans and things like that. Oh and we get smaller lunches because of Michelle Obama, and some other mundane shit. So I thought maybe exposing them to some new issue might be helpful, since nothing that the students actually get pissed off about really seems to be of much significance. Maybe I could put some stuff up about opposing the ridiculously bureaucratic way that my school is run, but that's pretty much all that I can think of in terms of things that students at my school would already relate to. I feel like I need more substance than that.

Try relating the smaller issues to the bigger issues. If you're surrounded by Pro-Obama democrats, try posting graphics that show a marked increase of Drone usage after Obama came into office compared to Bush, and maybe a tally. "X-hundred children? That's half of the 10th grade" something like that. Or in terms of the school lunches, maybe tie it into GMO's or something, if you can get some info on the source of your food (which I'm almost positive will have some horrid source).

Maybe you can take quotes from history professors that are either extremely biased or factually inaccurate and then show pictures or statistics of little facts that show a complete other side of the picture.

Things like that.

There are two things you should keep in mind. One is that it's just your school, and you must be patient if you want to really change things. Two is that you need to put what I just said aside for the time being and recognize that wherever you are you shouldn't be afraid to stir things up for the purposes of justice. If this changes the mind or inspires just one person to look into being an activist in some capacity, you've done a great service.

[Radio Spartacus]

Definitely adapt your message to the people in the school. I like the drone strikes idea. Also show how Obama is in the pocket for the rich.

Maybe a poster showing his donors, then
“The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.”
-Karl Marx

That quote could also go well with some government shutdown propaganda.

[Red_Banner]

Any way to hijack your schools intercom system to play L'Internationale in the morning instead of the US anthem?

Like put in a different disc or something?

[Skyhilist]

Thanks comrades, I'll definitely try to incorporate a lot of this advice when I do this.

[Skyhilist]

Any way to hijack your schools intercom system to play L'Internationale in the morning instead of the US anthem?

Like put in a different disc or something?

Unfortunately no one would get it even if I could pull off something like that.

[Radio Spartacus]

Any way to hijack your schools intercom system to play L'Internationale in the morning instead of the US anthem?

Like put in a different disc or something?

If that happens, we get videos. This would warm my heart almost as much as the time I got in trouble back in high school for not standing up during the pledge.

Also, make my poster ideas! I wish I was still in high school so I could wake up those spineless liberals with that kind of thing.

[Red_Banner]

If that happens, we get videos. This would warm my heart almost as much as the time I got in trouble back in high school for not standing up during the pledge.

Also, make my poster ideas! I wish I was still in high school so I could wake up those spineless liberals with that kind of thing.

Unfrotunately I only started knowing about communism and anarchism in sophmore or junior year.

I would have been more bold with what I know now.

[RedSonRising]

I remember for my Advanced Placement Economics class I did a powerpoint on socialism. There are certain things in there I wouldn't put today but stressing the actual definition of the ideology and de-demonizing it was a central focus and I was pretty happy about it. It was my senior year and afterward one of my fellow students wrote in my yearbook "You opened my eyes to a lot of truths" and it felt good.

[JoeHoganSmokyDaHeefa]

So this year I'm a senior in high school. There are certain things that our school quite noticeably doesn't teach much about in curriculums.

Some examples of this: U.S. support for Israeli apartheid, and anything relating to cons of capitalism.

At the end of the year I'll be graduating. Here's what I'm thinking of doing. In my school they have various posters hanging on the walls. In order to be hung on the walls, they must be stamped "WHS approved" on them. I'm planning on taking on of these posters, ripping the "WHS approved" part off, pasting it on to my own posters, and making photocopies of those posters so that they just look like photocopies of things that are legitimately WHS approved and wont be taken down by the janitorial staff as quickly.

I'm planning on having posters that say things like: "U.S. supports racial segregation. Learn the truth they don't teach in school" and "Money owns your government and your civics class curriculums", and I also want to have posters with links exposing these websites like ifamericansknew.org

Does anyone have advice for pulling something like this off near the end of the year? I'm planning on doing it after school after most people have left. Can they punish me by not allowing me to graduate high school if I do this? That would probably be the only punishment that's a deal breaker for me. Also, anyone have any advice for other topics I should make posters about to put up all around my school.

Any help and advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

Saying Israeli apartheid not only does a disservice to people who struggles to apartheid but is the typical nonsense that gets anarchists and communists painted with the hippy liberal brush.

Israel is no worse than any other state, nor is it acting any differently than any other state would if it was surrounded by hostile states. While zionism obviously is a reactionary movement predating the holocaust, to act like the settlers are evil and palestinians are always victims is such a stupid static look at things.

In for exampe issues of crime, we say that crime statistics showing overwhelming black crime in America is not proof of an innante criminality of racial problem, but rather the result of the conditions the black minority face in a racist system that breeds crime through terrible conditions.

Yet the left ignores this analysis when they look at the foundation of Israel after 6 million jews were slaughtered, those conditions in my opinion are to blame for the crime against palestinians in the founding days of Israel, not jews, or zionism but fucking conditions that the remaining jews suffered through that created the situation today.

Then you look at the ensuing wars, which Israel won, they then took over and occupied lots of land, which all countries do after wars, always, even now America and GB have bases in countires and hold foreign land under their control, yet Israel is again made out to be special or different for its activity.

I am an anarchist and an anti capitalist, but to single out Israel like the left does reeks of anti semitism, why not focius on what your country is doing, what your community is going through and what you can do for your future, so you don't end up a futureless minimum wage worker like me and the millions of other workers you live amongst.

That isn't as cool, won't involve debates on things happening in places you are never going to go, won't involve occupying, which does nothing, but is the one thing that can end the predicament of your class and your personal oppression.

being a worker and trying to improve conditions isn't as fun as the liberal movement, we don't smell of petulie oil or hammer out drum cirlces.

We criticise pro athletes on TV, vicariously live through Arnold schwazzenneger films and try and get out coworkers to join the union and talk about everyday stuff we can try and make better.

If I were you I would focus on doing well in school, getting a good paying job and being happy. I fucked all if that up and am going to die fucking broke.

In a couple years you will see that things are not going to change dependant on political movements but on conditions that create reactions by the masses.

Don't waste too much time on this shit and just have a good life dude.

[Rafiq]

People at my school in general are politically mostly democrats and seem to just be mad at republicans and things like that. Oh and we get smaller lunches because of Michelle Obama, and some other mundane shit. So I thought maybe exposing them to some new issue might be helpful, since nothing that the students actually get pissed off about really seems to be of much significance. Maybe I could put some stuff up about opposing the ridiculously bureaucratic way that my school is run, but that's pretty much all that I can think of in terms of things that students at my school would already relate to. I feel like I need more substance than that.

Politics is marginal as far as a high school goes. The first step in politicizing students is actually presenting problems which directly relate to them, and with regard to teenagers, it is best that these are emotional problems. Issues can range from "slut-shaming", bullying, alienation, parents, figures of authority in general and so on. And the issue of college tuition as well could help. Presenting problems about school lunches, things of such an insignificant nature will interest no one. Strike the heart of teenage problems directly, no matter your politics, it will attract them.

[Skyhilist]

Saying Israeli apartheid not only does a disservice to people who struggles to apartheid but is the typical nonsense that gets anarchists and communists painted with the hippy liberal brush.

Oh sorry segregating Kindergarten classes based on religion doesn't reek of apartheid to you?


Israel is no worse than any other state, nor is it acting any differently than any other state would if it was surrounded by hostile states. While zionism obviously is a reactionary movement predating the holocaust, to act like the settlers are evil and palestinians are always victims is such a stupid static look at things.

I didn't say all Israelis are evil. Their government is evil. They steal 90% of Palestinian water supplies, bulldoze thousands of Palestinian homes a year, force Palestinian kids to be born at checkpoints or force their families to not have access to medicine due to a huge wall standing between them and the nearest hospital. And you are telling me they're no worse than any other state?


In for exampe issues of crime, we say that crime statistics showing overwhelming black crime in America is not proof of an innante criminality of racial problem, but rather the result of the conditions the black minority face in a racist system that breeds crime through terrible conditions.

Oh boo hoo those people like Netanyahu must be dealing with such tough times to react that way. The government of Israel is just as imperiled as African Americans, I'm sure.


those conditions in my opinion are to blame for the crime against palestinians in the founding days of Israel, not jews

Where do you see me blaming Jews? I want Jews and Muslims and people of all religions to be equal, and unsegregated.


but to single out Israel like the left does reeks of anti semitism

Yes it's very discriminatory to single out segregation, you've got it all figured out.


why not focius on what your country is doing

My country is funding Israeli segregation with billions of dollars every year, so...

[JoeHoganSmokyDaHeefa]

Oh sorry segregating Kindergarten classes based on religion doesn't reek of apartheid to you?



I didn't say all Israelis are evil. Their government is evil. They steal 90% of Palestinian water supplies, bulldoze thousands of Palestinian homes a year, force Palestinian kids to be born at checkpoints or force their families to not have access to medicine due to a huge wall standing between them and the nearest hospital. And you are telling me they're no worse than any other state?



Oh boo hoo those people like Netanyahu must be dealing with such tough times to react that way. The government of Israel is just as imperiled as African Americans, I'm sure.



Where do you see me blaming Jews? I want Jews and Muslims and people of all religions to be equal, and unsegregated.



Yes it's very discriminatory to single out segregation, you've got it all figured out.



My country is funding Israeli segregation with billions of dollars every year, so...


The Israeli goverment are no more evil than any other. Infact, there was less bloodshed in the founding of Israel than any other nations founding. How is the Israeli government acting any differently than any other state would in its situation?

It is not. So why is Israelis treatment of palestinians apartheid, but nearly no other states practices have been called that in the last decade, yet far more government are commit far harsher atrocities, yet Israel is the on you single out as an apartheid state and doing bad things. RIDICULOUS!

Antisemitism is not just hating jews or believing in conspiracies, it is the condemning of their actions, that are far less than what America has done in the last decade alone, yet the communists cry against the war but supporting the troops but will spew vitriol at jewish soldiers in Israel on a completely different level.

[Taters]

The Israeli goverment are no more evil than any other. Infact, there was less bloodshed in the founding of Israel than any other nations founding. How is the Israeli government acting any differently than any other state would in its situation?

It is not. So why is Israelis treatment of palestinians apartheid, but nearly no other states practices have been called that in the last decade, yet far more government are commit far harsher atrocities, yet Israel is the on you single out as an apartheid state and doing bad things. RIDICULOUS!


This is rich. Criticizing Israel is anti-semitic. Calling out their oppression of the Palestinians at every turn is anti-semitic. This is, of course, "singling them out."


Antisemitism is not just hating jews or believing in conspiracies, it is the condemning of their actions, that are far less than what America has done in the last decade alone, yet the communists cry against the war but supporting the troops but will spew vitriol at jewish soldiers in Israel on a completely different level.

More nonsense. And since when have communists said "Against the war but for the troops"? (other than liberals calling themselves communists)

[JoeHoganSmokyDaHeefa]

This is rich. Criticizing Israel is anti-semitic. Calling out their oppression of the Palestinians at every turn is anti-semitic. This is, of course, "singling them out."



More nonsense. And since when have communists said "Against the war but for the troops"? (other than liberals calling themselves communists)

And so the rationalising of why Israeli crimes are worse than certain Islamic countries crimes against minorities and neighbouring nations will start.

How refreshing. Not a single source will be given :D

Wonderbar

[Red_Banner]

The Israeli goverment are no more evil than any other. Infact, there was less bloodshed in the founding of Israel than any other nations founding. How is the Israeli government acting any differently than any other state would in its situation?

It is not. So why is Israelis treatment of palestinians apartheid, but nearly no other states practices have been called that in the last decade, yet far more government are commit far harsher atrocities, yet Israel is the on you single out as an apartheid state and doing bad things. RIDICULOUS!

Antisemitism is not just hating jews or believing in conspiracies, it is the condemning of their actions, that are far less than what America has done in the last decade alone, yet the communists cry against the war but supporting the troops but will spew vitriol at jewish soldiers in Israel on a completely different level.

Anti-semitism ≠ anti-Zionism.

Besides, Arabs are Semites too.

[JoeHoganSmokyDaHeefa]

Anti-semitism ≠ anti-Zionism.

Besides, Arabs are Semites too.

Wow, transparent sloganeering. Kudos!

How is a zionist state worse than any other state, they are all expansionist, horrible murderous systems, zionism death count/Every other nations death count.

More people were killed and displaced in loads of the Islamic and christian regions on the earth, yet it is this one, single, jewish state that is being singled out as the baddy.

Just go pick up a fucking history book or better yet read some marx.

[thriller]

Some advice: School's are littered with cameras now. You will probably be caught unless you can disguise yourself. I posted flyers around school saying "Fuck the Police, Legalize Marijuana" after a drug search. I got suspended, but was able to graduate. The police did try to talk up some pathetic charges, but I knew my rights and the parameters. This was just me though. Every situation may be different. However it got a lot of people talking about the drug raid and the principal had to issue some statements (small town). Find anything that violates rights in the school and be blunt and rude. No high schooler is going to read a 20 page pamphlet anti-capitalism for fun. If they do (like I did ;) ), then they probably know what's up anyways and may support you. Just remember that school zones are serious business, so learn about the possible outcomes before hand.


Any way to hijack your schools intercom system to play L'Internationale in the morning instead of the US anthem?

Like put in a different disc or something?

I did this, but played a very embarrassing video of my friend over the school's television system during lunch. Classic.



If I were you I would focus on doing well in school, getting a good paying job and being happy. I fucked all if that up and am going to die fucking broke.

In a couple years you will see that things are not going to change dependant on political movements but on conditions that create reactions by the masses.

Don't waste too much time on this shit and just have a good life dude.

Why not? It's this persons life. Their life will never been the same as yours. It is materially impossible.

[Taters]

Wow, transparent sloganeering. Kudos!

How is a zionist state worse than any other state, they are all expansionist, horrible murderous systems, zionism death count/Every other nations death count.

More people were killed and displaced in loads of the Islamic and christian regions on the earth, yet it is this one, single, jewish state that is being singled out as the baddy.

Just go pick up a fucking history book or better yet read some marx.

Not sure why this posturing should impress me.
You haven't really said anything besides "well what about these other nations?" and, well, sure, they're pretty bad, too. What's your point?

[Skyhilist]

Some advice: School's are littered with cameras now. You will probably be caught unless you can disguise yourself. I posted flyers around school saying "Fuck the Police, Legalize Marijuana" after a drug search. I got suspended, but was able to graduate. The police did try to talk up some pathetic charges, but I knew my rights and the parameters. This was just me though. Every situation may be different. However it got a lot of people talking about the drug raid and the principal had to issue some statements (small town). Find anything that violates rights in the school and be blunt and rude. No high schooler is going to read a 20 page pamphlet anti-capitalism for fun. If they do (like I did ;) ), then they probably know what's up anyways and may support you. Just remember that school zones are serious business, so learn about the possible outcomes before hand.

Makes sense, I'll definitely take what you're saying into account and not post links to any long polemics up all over the walls or something like that. My school does have cameras everywhere though and I have no doubt that I will be caught.

[Red_Banner]

Wow, transparent sloganeering. Kudos!

How is a zionist state worse than any other state, they are all expansionist, horrible murderous systems, zionism death count/Every other nations death count.

More people were killed and displaced in loads of the Islamic and christian regions on the earth, yet it is this one, single, jewish state that is being singled out as the baddy.

Just go pick up a fucking history book or better yet read some marx.

Woah, lose your piss poor attitude!

Are you just here to make enemies?

"Just go pick up a fucking history book or better yet read some marx"

A search of My Downloads folder shows I have around 300 items related to Marx, many of them being from marxists.org.
In My Documents, 65.

And history books, well let's see...

In front of me here, I have The Red Flag A History of Communism by David Priestalnd.
Then I also have Marx's General The Revolutionary Life of Friedrich Engels by Tristram Hunt

[DasFapital]

When I was in high school I put a bunch of posters of our head security guy photoshopped next to Hitler. However, I wasn't smart enough at the time to use these to promote leftism

[JoeHoganSmokyDaHeefa]

When I was in high school I put a bunch of posters of our head security guy photoshopped next to Hitler. However, I wasn't smart enough at the time to use these to promote leftism

So you acted like a petulant asshole to some blue collar worker. Great things to teach young people. Take a samba class and build some goddamn character.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

So you acted like a petulant asshole to some blue collar worker. Great things to teach young people. Take a samba class and build some goddamn character.

Security aren't workers. Sod off, troll.

[Nakidana]

JoeHoganetc your posts reek of shitty excuses for Israel and its occupation of Palestine. Although it isn't the cause of every evil in that region, it's certainly a huge problem in the Middle East, and seeing as how the US is one of the biggest supporters of Israel, and using taxpayer money to prop up Israel, I can definitely see why you as an American would be "singling it out".


build some goddamn character.

First of all, why should you "build character"? Second, putting up posters of the head security next to Hitler most certainly brought distress on DasFapital and thus did build character.


So this year I'm a senior in high school. There are certain things that our school quite noticeably doesn't teach much about in curriculums.

Some examples of this: U.S. support for Israeli apartheid, and anything relating to cons of capitalism.

At the end of the year I'll be graduating. Here's what I'm thinking of doing. In my school they have various posters hanging on the walls. In order to be hung on the walls, they must be stamped "WHS approved" on them. I'm planning on taking on of these posters, ripping the "WHS approved" part off, pasting it on to my own posters, and making photocopies of those posters so that they just look like photocopies of things that are legitimately WHS approved and wont be taken down by the janitorial staff as quickly.

I'm planning on having posters that say things like: "U.S. supports racial segregation. Learn the truth they don't teach in school" and "Money owns your government and your civics class curriculums", and I also want to have posters with links exposing these websites like ifamericansknew.org

Does anyone have advice for pulling something like this off near the end of the year? I'm planning on doing it after school after most people have left. Can they punish me by not allowing me to graduate high school if I do this? That would probably be the only punishment that's a deal breaker for me. Also, anyone have any advice for other topics I should make posters about to put up all around my school.

Any help and advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

I just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, you want to hang up these posters on one of your last days at high school, just before you graduate? Do you want to go out with a bang, or what is your exact goal here?

[bluemangroup]

Wow, transparent sloganeering. Kudos!

How is a zionist state worse than any other state, they are all expansionist, horrible murderous systems, zionism death count/Every other nations death count.

More people were killed and displaced in loads of the Islamic and christian regions on the earth, yet it is this one, single, jewish state that is being singled out as the baddy.

Just go pick up a fucking history book or better yet read some marx.

Ah, IMHO this looks a lot like my high school angry teen rants that I articulated to my parents (as I had few friends, and they certainly wouldn't want to listen to me rant on about the attempts to destroy Bolshevism during the Russian Civil War or my rants about Israel)

Raving about how Israel is apparently evil won't convince your classmates of anything; rather it will make you look unreasonable or worse yet anti-Semitic.

Here's something I learned: IMHO I never have had anything against Jews, Israelis, etc. but over time I learned to stop demonizing Israel and instead recognize that its not the people of Israel who are bad or evil but if anything its the government itself. Before, I came off as a rabid anti-Semite.

Otherwise, I'd recommend to leave your radical politics to yourself and focus on passing your classes so that you can attend college. Your not going to gain an audience, or even a small following, from raving about the supposed evils of Israel or by putting up unapproved posters in the hallways (seeing as to how your posters aren't going to be approved, its likely that you may just end up in trouble with the administration; a good way to jeopardize your senior year and your chances of attending college)

I'm speaking from experience; I've been in your shoes: an angry Marxist teenager ranting about meaningless injustices when in the grand scheme of things I only hurt myself and my education.

Heck, I almost dropped out of high school during my senior year and barely (just barely) made it to college.

Please, don't screw up your life.


Politics is marginal as far as a high school goes.This, as I had seen proven to me during my senior year in high school when I had tried (unsuccessfully) to form a chapter of Students for A Democratic Society.

Now that I'm in college and, after having seen a club or two struggle to get off of the ground, I can look back during my angry high school teen years with nothing but contempt. I thought that by forming my own club, I could somehow win students to revolutionary Marxism. Unfortunately for me, many students were apathetic and barely knew what capitalism was let alone socialism.

My advice: don't do anything stupid which could potentially put your academic success in peril; as you are a senior right now, I'd urge you to focus on your studies, ace the ACT (you should take it over the SAT, which is harder and punishes a student further grades wise), and go on to college.

Harsh fact: high school won't and can't prepare you for college. I'm a freshman in college, and right now I have a 10-15 page research paper and two 5-6 page papers due all within a tight deadline.

High school is easy in comparison. When you get to college, prepare to work your butt off and be asked to work harder than you've ever worked before. That's life, that's college, and high school won't prepare you for essentially living on you own or writing long 5 page essays.

[Radio Spartacus]

Ah, IMHO this looks a lot like my high school angry teen rants that I articulated to my parents (as I had few friends, and they certainly wouldn't want to listen to me rant on about the attempts to destroy Bolshevism during the Russian Civil War or my rants about Israel)

Raving about how Israel is apparently evil won't convince your classmates of anything; rather it will make you look unreasonable or worse yet anti-Semitic.

Here's something I learned: IMHO I never have had anything against Jews, Israelis, etc. but over time I learned to stop demonizing Israel and instead recognize that its not the people of Israel who are bad or evil but if anything its the government itself. Before, I came off as a rabid anti-Semite.

Otherwise, I'd recommend to leave your radical politics to yourself and focus on passing your classes so that you can attend college. Your not going to gain an audience, or even a small following, from raving about the supposed evils of Israel or by putting up unapproved posters in the hallways (seeing as to how your posters aren't going to be approved, its likely that you may just end up in trouble with the administration; a good way to jeopardize your senior year and your chances of attending college)

I'm speaking from experience; I've been in your shoes: an angry Marxist teenager ranting about meaningless injustices when in the grand scheme of things I only hurt myself and my education.

Heck, I almost dropped out of high school during my senior year and barely (just barely) made it to college.

Please, don't screw up your life.

This, as I had seen proven to me during my senior year in high school when I had tried (unsuccessfully) to form a chapter of Students for A Democratic Society.

Now that I'm in college and, after having seen a club or two struggle to get off of the ground, I can look back during my angry high school teen years with nothing but contempt. I thought that by forming my own club, I could somehow win students to revolutionary Marxism. Unfortunately for me, many students were apathetic and barely knew what capitalism was let alone socialism.

My advice: don't do anything stupid which could potentially put your academic success in peril; as you are a senior right now, I'd urge you to focus on your studies, ace the ACT (you should take it over the SAT, which is harder and punishes a student further grades wise), and go on to college.

Harsh fact: high school won't and can't prepare you for college. I'm a freshman in college, and right now I have a 10-15 page research paper and two 5-6 page papers due all within a tight deadline.

High school is easy in comparison. When you get to college, prepare to work your butt off and be asked to work harder than you've ever worked before. That's life, that's college, and high school won't prepare you for essentially living on you own or writing long 5 page essays.

I don't think it's difficult to balance Marxist politics and passing through the bullshit bourgeois "education" system. I also reject, based on my own success in high school as a known communist respected among my peers, that one can't make a difference and will only seem like they're ranting. Comes off as defeatist. You're right about college, I haven't gotten good sleep in a long time, but that only highlights the need to take advantage of the free time one has in high school.

[bluemangroup]

I'm trying to dissuade him from doing anything stupid that could get him suspended or expelled; finishing high school is what matters, that and going onto college.

I'm also not trying to come off as "defeatist;" I'm being realistic, basing my statements of past experiences when I was still in high school.

I don't think, in high school, that there is even a point of trying to convince students that Marxism is correct. Many will not listen, and numerous others won't care.

At least in college, we are taught to think for ourselves. At least now, I'd have a greater chance at forming a Marxist club than in high school.

Some people on this forum are doing him a disfavor by encouraging him to violate his school's rules. He's only going to destroy his chances at attending a university and consequently at living a decent life esp. after college.

[Skyhilist]

I just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, you want to hang up these posters on one of your last days at high school, just before you graduate? Do you want to go out with a bang, or what is your exact goal here?

Yeah that sounds about right.

[Skyhilist]

I don't think it's difficult to balance Marxist politics and passing through the bullshit bourgeois "education" system

It isn't

[Skyhilist]

Harsh fact: high school won't and can't prepare you for college. I'm a freshman in college, and right now I have a 10-15 page research paper and two 5-6 page papers due all within a tight deadline.

High school is easy in comparison. When you get to college, prepare to work your butt off and be asked to work harder than you've ever worked before. That's life, that's college, and high school won't prepare you for essentially living on you own or writing long 5 page essays.

Thanks for the advice on, you know, how hard college is going to be and everything -- but I'm currently most in advanced placement classes which I also receive credit from UConn for. Not only that -- the courses go at a faster pace than UConn papers. I usually write more than one essay a week and have a very busy testing schedule. So given the fact that most of my courses are harder than entry level college courses, I'm not going to worry too much about your college horror stories, or anyone's for that matter.

Also, do you really think that putting posters around the school would get me expelled? or that they wont allow me to graduate? I mean the school system I don't think would take things that seriously. I doubt they'd even have much time to suspend me seeing as it will be at the very end of the school year.

[Nakidana]

Yeah that sounds about right.

Okay, well seeing as how your goal is just to get people to notice you on your way out, I think there are much better ways than putting up political posters on the last day of school.

[Skyhilist]

Okay, well seeing as how your goal is just to get people to notice you on your way out, I think there are much better ways than putting up political posters on the last day of school.

Well my goal is to send some kind of radical message across, not just draw attention to myself for the hell of it. So what do you suggest instead then?

[thriller]

I'm trying to dissuade him from doing anything stupid that could get him suspended or expelled; finishing high school is what matters, that and going onto college.

I'm also not trying to come off as "defeatist;" I'm being realistic, basing my statements of past experiences when I was still in high school.

I don't think, in high school, that there is even a point of trying to convince students that Marxism is correct. Many will not listen, and numerous others won't care.

At least in college, we are taught to think for ourselves. At least now, I'd have a greater chance at forming a Marxist club than in high school.

Some people on this forum are doing him a disfavor by encouraging him to violate his school's rules. He's only going to destroy his chances at attending a university and consequently at living a decent life esp. after college.

Must. Achieve. American. Dream. Seriously?

And what about your anecdotal evidence? Why is yours more valid than the one I posted about? Maybe it's just me, but I find it odd that telling him to stop any action to educate and agitate and simply climb the latter like were are told is not defeatist.

[MarxSchmarx]

one problem you have in a secondary school like the one you describe, Chomsssssssky (http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?u=63733), is that you haven't described how many people face the prospect of unemployment upon graduation vs. how many people will go on to tertiary education. If quite a few of your classmates don't go on to "college", then you have to tailor your message in that direction. If, however, most of your class mates attend "university" or "college" then you have to modify your strategy to reflect the fact that these people won't face the difficult choices most working class people face for at least another 2-4 years.

In my experience, outside of the true believers most children who pursue a post-secondary education do not see themselves as workers, but as temporarily inconvenienced millionaires. If you are in an environment where few of your colleagues pursue tertiary education then I think a lot of the advice mentioned before matters, but if most of your classmates are college- or university-bound, whatever you do should be regarded as training for you and frankly little else.

[Kamp]

Some advice: School's are littered with cameras now. You will probably be caught unless you can disguise yourself. I posted flyers around school saying "Fuck the Police, Legalize Marijuana" after a drug search. I got suspended, but was able to graduate. The police did try to talk up some pathetic charges, but I knew my rights and the parameters. This was just me though. Every situation may be different. However it got a lot of people talking about the drug raid and the principal had to issue some statements (small town). Find anything that violates rights in the school and be blunt and rude. No high schooler is going to read a 20 page pamphlet anti-capitalism for fun. If they do (like I did ;) ), then they probably know what's up anyways and may support you. Just remember that school zones are serious business, so learn about the possible outcomes before hand.



I did this, but played a very embarrassing video of my friend over the school's television system during lunch. Classic.




Why not? It's this persons life. Their life will never been the same as yours. It is materially impossible.

" I got suspended, but was able to graduate."

US are supposed to be a leading democratic nation, by the sound of it, it dosn't seem to live up to the basic standard. Focus on that a suspension for breaking censorship would probably work in your favour..

no one should ever be afraid of suspension or being expelled for talking about an idea of anykind...

Ride the wave of their own misstakes...

[hashem]

i used to distribute revolutionary leaflets secretly when i was in university. i usually left the leaflets in classes when no one was there, especially during the lunch time. this proved to be safe and effective.

instead of replacing the pro government posters you can "modify" them. for example during the "election"s, i drew Nazi symbols on posters of candidates, so they had to tear them apart before anyone saw them! however, i suggest this procedure only against fascists and when open and legal political activity is not tolerated, otherwise it would be vandalism.

if those posters in your school are some kind of reactionary propaganda which people are forced to see, removing them would be reasonable, but if not, you shouldnt touch them. let them be and conduct your own agitation and propaganda by other means.

[RedMaterialist]

It sounds like you could do the same thing without damaging an existing poster. You can defend freedom of speech, but not damaging someone else's property. Marx said somewhere that the use of violence is insane when non-violent political change is still possible. I think you need to organize a communist club at your school. There wouldn't be anything illegal about it and it would drive the administration crazy.

[Remus Bleys]

It sounds like you could do the same thing without damaging an existing poster.
Whats the point of doing that?


You can defend freedom of speech,
There is no such thing as "freedom of speech"

but not damaging someone else's property.
Honestly, this is enough to restrict you.

Marx said somewhere that the use of violence is insane when non-violent political change is still possible.
Bullshit. Back yourself up?


I think you need to organize a communist club at your school.
Then that isn't direct action.


There wouldn't be anything illegal about it
Revolution is always illegal.


and it would drive the administration crazy.
I doubt theyd see it as a big threat enough to care about.

[RedMaterialist]

The Marx reference is to an interview he gave to an English police investigator. It is in Eugene Kamenka's book.

The rest of your comments are an example of what Lenin called "left-wing communism, a juvenile disorder."

[Remus Bleys]

The Marx reference is to an interview he gave to an English police investigator. It is in Eugene Kamenka's book.

The rest of your comments are an example of what Lenin called "left-wing communism, a juvenile disorder."
You've never read Lenin. Don't lie.
edit: None of what i said was necessarily left communist.

[RedMaterialist]

You've never read Lenin. Don't lie.
edit: None of what i said was necessarily left communist.

google "left wing communism" and tell me what lenin meant.

[Remus Bleys]

google "left wing communism" and tell me what lenin meant.
I am a fucking left communist.
Fuck you troll.

[RedMaterialist]

google "left wing communism" and tell me what lenin meant.

of course it was. basically you are saying that the OP should not use bourgeois political tactics against the bourgeoisie, but should rather only use the pure tactics of the revolutionary.

[RedMaterialist]

I am a fucking left communist.
Fuck you troll.

as lenin said, a juvenile disorder.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

of course it was. basically you are saying that the OP should not use bourgeois political tactics against the bourgeoisie, but should rather only use the pure tactics of the revolutionary.

Why don't you go and wither away your incomprehensible nonsense á la the Soviet state?

[RedMaterialist]

Why don't you go and wither away your incomprehensible nonsense á la the Soviet state?

Ah! You've read it. It's actually very straightforward. A state exists only as a mechanism for class suppression. Once the DOP eliminates the bourgeois classes the basis for the existence of a state disappears and the state collapses.

It's the other explanations, economic, moral, bureaucratic inefficiency, etc, which are incomprehensible.

[Remus Bleys]

Ah! You've read it. It's actually very straightforward. A state exists only as a mechanism for class suppression. Once the DOP eliminates the bourgeois classes the basis for the existence of a state disappears and the state collapses. yuki was making fun of you.


It's the other explanations, economic, moral, bureaucratic inefficiency, etc, which are incomprehensible.
Did you just say the economic explanation is incomprehensible?

Your "theory" is incomprehensible.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Why not things specific to problems kids your age can relate to?

I second this, your intent will be better received if it's something relative to what you and your classmates are going through or being subjected too. Otherwise, it's probably going to fall on deaf ears.

[AmilcarCabral]

Dear friend: Don't do that, it will be worthless, a waste of your physical energies and a waste of taking risks. We have to think with our cold brains and not with our emotional hearts, when trying to overthrow the whole capitalist system and replacing it with a workers' dictatorship. I read in a philosophy book by Honoré Gabriel comte de Mirabeau, that people shouldn't spend their physical and emotional energies in irrelevant little battles, reject any conflicts, in order to be prepared for the important relevant batttles in life.

And from a marxist point of view, this means that the most scientific way of destroying capitalism is not doing irrelevant crimes against isolated people, organizations and capitalist groups. Because at the end of the day what will happen is that you will end up in jail and/or fined your life destroyed and from jail you won't be able to overthrow the capitalist system.

The best solution for all leftists who are ultra-angry is to be patient and to wait for an objective revolutionary situation. And then after there would be real objective conditions for the oppressed to violently fight against the capitalist enemy, only then you can do what ever you want against capitalists. But not right now, the conditions for violent action against capitalism are not *ready and ripe in USA*. This means that if you do any violent act against the capitalist class in America, because the conditions are not ready for a communist-revolution, this means that the great majority of poor americans, poor workers and about 60% to 70% of the US population (The oppressed class), will not support you all, but what they might do is that they will side with US government against any violent communist rebelling against US gov. and the capitalist media (CNN, FOX etc) will do a public media lynching against any violent armed communist rebellious group and will link them to Al Qaeda. While the great majority of americans (rich and poor) will also believe that those revolutionary armed communists trying to overthrow the US government are terrorists and not social-revolutionaries.

So in other words, be patient for what Lenin called: "The objective revolutionary situation" so that you can do what ever you want against the capitalist enemy class !!!

.



So this year I'm a senior in high school. There are certain things that our school quite noticeably doesn't teach much about in curriculums.

Some examples of this: U.S. support for Israeli apartheid, and anything relating to cons of capitalism.

At the end of the year I'll be graduating. Here's what I'm thinking of doing. In my school they have various posters hanging on the walls. In order to be hung on the walls, they must be stamped "WHS approved" on them. I'm planning on taking on of these posters, ripping the "WHS approved" part off, pasting it on to my own posters, and making photocopies of those posters so that they just look like photocopies of things that are legitimately WHS approved and wont be taken down by the janitorial staff as quickly.

I'm planning on having posters that say things like: "U.S. supports racial segregation. Learn the truth they don't teach in school" and "Money owns your government and your civics class curriculums", and I also want to have posters with links exposing these websites like ifamericansknew.org

Does anyone have advice for pulling something like this off near the end of the year? I'm planning on doing it after school after most people have left. Can they punish me by not allowing me to graduate high school if I do this? That would probably be the only punishment that's a deal breaker for me. Also, anyone have any advice for other topics I should make posters about to put up all around my school.

Any help and advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

[Remus Bleys]

Dear friend: Don't do that, it will be worthless, a waste of your physical energies and a waste of taking risks.
Its a prank...

we have to think with our cold brains and not with our emotional hearts, when trying to overthrow the whole capitalist system and replacing it with a workers' dictatorship.
He isn't talking about destroying capitalism...

I read in a philosophy book by Honoré Gabriel comte de Mirabeau, that people shouldn't spend their physical and emotional energies in irrelevant little battles, reject any conflicts, in order to be prepared for the important relevant batttles in life.Its a prank...


And from a marxist point of view, this means that the most scientific way of destroying capitalism is not doing irrelevant crimes against isolated people, organizations and capitalist groups. He's not trying to destroy capitalism with this one...


Because at the end of the day what will happen is that you will end up in jail and/or fined your life destroyed and from jail you won't be able to overthrow the capitalist system.How will he end up in jail?


The best solution for all leftists who are ultra-angry is to be patient and to wait for an objective revolutionary situation. And then after there would be real objective conditions for the oppressed to violently fight against the capitalist enemy, only then you can do what ever you want against capitalists. But not right now, the conditions for violent action against capitalism are not *ready and ripe in USA*. This means that if you do any violent act against the capitalist class in America, because the conditions are not ready for a communist-revolution, this means that the great majority of poor americans, poor workers and about 60% to 70% of the US population (The oppressed class), will not support you all, but what they might do is that they will side with US government against any violent communist rebelling against US gov. and the capitalist media (CNN, FOX etc) will do a public media lynching against any violent armed communist rebellious group and will link them to Al Qaeda. While the great majority of americans (rich and poor) will also believe that those revolutionary armed communists trying to overthrow the US government are terrorists and not social-revolutionaries. The CPUSA showing their anti-revolutionary character again.


So in other words, be patient for what Lenin called: "The objective revolutionary situation" so that you can do what ever you want against the capitalist enemy class !!!

.thats not the point of direct action...

[RedMaterialist]

It's not necessary to just be patient or do nothing. You can organize politically. Run for public office...not necessarily to get elected but to put the marxist, communist point of view in front of the public. It's what Marx advocated doing until a revolutionary moment arrived. Also Lenin.

[RedMaterialist]

yuki was making fun of you.


Did you just say the economic explanation is incomprehensible?

Your "theory" is incomprehensible.

The economic explanation is the bourgeois explanation: the SU went bankrupt.

My explanation is the class explanation: without a suppressing class a state cannot exist.

[Remus Bleys]

The economic explanation is the bourgeois explanation: the SU went bankrupt.
I need sources for this being the main leftist reasons for its dissolution.


My explanation is the class explanation: without a suppressing class a state cannot exist.
you think the USSR was classless?
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh:
How dumb are you?

[Remus Bleys]

It's not necessary to just be patient or do nothing. You can organize politically. Run for public office...not necessarily to get elected but to put the marxist, communist point of view in front of the public. It's what Marx advocated doing until a revolutionary moment arrived. Also Lenin.

A high school graduate is planing on running for direct action, and your response is run for political office.