Nicolae Ceaușescu

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What do you know about him?


What's your opinion of him?

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

i'd like to know more.

my rudimentary knowledge is that he was very brutal and lived a life of luxury with his wife until the masses tore him to shreds in what was, afaik, the bloodiest uprising that the former ussr knew.

would be cool to hear a knowledgeable summary though. he's never been a point of defence amongst the left, even for the hardline authoritarians, in my experience anyway.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Ceausescu is the kind of post-stalin second world dictator that makes even the most hardcore tanks shake in their winter boots. If you thought the DPRK was bad, think again. The Kims had nothing on this filthy, hitler loving, megalomaniac piece of shit.

I know someone personally who lived underneath the fucking bastard. You weren't allowed to point your god-damned TV antenna a certain way, because it would show that you were trying to pickup 'western broadcasts'. If they caught you, they'd either arrest you or make you disappear. Austerity

Ceaușescu also possibly held the world record for most ridiculous cold-war era personality cult. He was so absolutely obsessed with selling off the image of him and his wife as perfect god-people that he actually persecuted an entire broadcasting studio for showing him stutter on television:


Not surprisingly, the Ceaușescus were greatly concerned about their public image. Most photos of them showed them in their late 40s. Romanian state television was under strict orders to portray them in the best possible light. For instance, producers had to take great care to ensure that Ceaușescu's 1.65m (5 foot 5 inch) frame was never emphasized on screen. Elena was never seen in profile because of her large nose and overall homely appearance. Consequences for breaking these rules were severe; one producer showed footage of Ceaușescu blinking and stuttering, and was banned for three months.

And that's not all! Ceausescu also ... wait for it ... was a nazi-level anti romani racist shitbag!
(http://www.radoc.net/radoc.php?doc=art_f_bias_robotworkforce&lang=en&articles=true)




The Romani children in the Romanian institutions are the result of Nicolae Ceauşescu’s plan to create a superior “Dacian” people by selective breeding and population engineering. Ceauşescu’s fascination with Hitler’s racial policies is no secret; “In the early 1970s, when Ceauşescu learned that Romania had over 600,000 emigres abroad, he became very interested in Hitler’s Fifth Column. That was not too surprising, as Ceauşescu had always studied Hitler’s ‘charisma,’ and had repeatedly analysed the original Nazi films of Hitler’s speeches . . . In almost every speech, he recalls the Romanian people’s origins in proud Roman and Dacian warriors, just as Hitler harped on the Aryans. . .”6.

Because he took pains to conceal his actions, however, and little documentation to substantiate them has so far come to light, the means by which he tried to accomplish his aims are only now being pieced together. The establishment of his “death camp” orphanages apparently pre-dated his open fascination with Hitler by some years:

Ceauşescu started the camps as early as 1965. there had been years of planning. When Auschwitz, the Nazi concentration camp, was discovered in January 1945, Nicolae Ceauşescu was 27 years old. Like the Nazis, Ceauşescu advocated racial purity. Years later, he would express his concern for, quote,“the new human type we intend to mold in our society.” Ceauşescu had Romania’s history books rewritten. He argued that the true Romanians were descended from Dacians, far more advanced than what he called the other “aboriginal” races . . . “superior even to ancient Rome.” Ceauşescu wanted a huge robot work force.7
His intention was to breed on the one hand large numbers of “pure” Romanians and on the other, those who were to make up his “robot work force,” the status Romanies had endured as slaves for 550 years8. In both cases, like the ancient Spartans, the weak were allowed to die, since they were of no use to either population. Women, married or not, were encouraged to have many children; they were rewarded publicly for having five or more, and birth control was made illegal. Romanian officials maintain that Romanies were not therefore discriminated against, since this policy affected them equally9. The difference, however, lay in what was destined for each group. Because of the state of the Romanian economy, and the execution of Ceauşescu in December, 1989, this bizarre plan was never to materialize, but it has left a legacy in the surplus children who languish in the Romanian orphanages and whose bodies fill the mass graves reported by Terre des Hommes. That Romanies are treated as subhuman in modem Romania, where the very word Úigan (“Romani,” but synonymous with “slave” in the Romanian language), is the result of centuries of persecution rooted in Romanian history.

Fuck Ceasescu. There's so much I can take from hardcore apologetics for soviet regimes, but if I ever met a Nicolae apologist in person, then the line is crossed - I swear I'll sock them right in the jaw. Pigs.

[RedAnarchist]

I don't know much about him, but I felt sorry for him and his wife when I saw the video of their execution. I don't feel sorry for them now.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

I don't know much about him, but I felt sorry for him and his wife when I saw the video of their execution. I don't feel sorry for them now.

I haven't seen it, but I'd probably cheer.

[RedAnarchist]

I haven't seen it, but I'd probably cheer.

I probably would now, knowing what the shitstain was like.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Ceausescu is the kind of post-stalin second world dictator that makes even the most hardcore tanks shake in their winter boots. If you thought the DPRK was bad, think again. The Kims had nothing on this filthy, hitler loving, megalomaniac piece of shit.

I know someone personally who lived underneath the fucking bastard. You weren't allowed to point your god-damned TV antenna a certain way, because it would show that you were trying to pickup 'western broadcasts'. If they caught you, they'd either arrest you or make you disappear.

Ceaușescu also possibly held the world record for most ridiculous cold-war era personality cult. He was so absolutely obsessed with selling off the image of him and his wife as perfect god-people that he actually persecuted an entire broadcasting studio for showing him stutter on television.

There are actually very strong similarities with the DPRK, and like there, it is silly to boil it all down to Ceaușescu as a person. The extent to which he had significant influence is disputable. By and large he seems to have served as a figure-head for the state, a big-brother character, the incarnation of the party, a party that, very early on, already in the late 1950's and early 1960's began to shift sharply towards nationalism and all its repugnant consequences.

Kim Il-sung and a DPRK delegation visited one of the mass-games in Bucharest sometime in the 1960's or early 70's (possibly 1971, unless I am confusing the years), and was so impressed with the personality cult displayed that they set out to imitate forthwith. These games were orchestrated by the party and all sorts of officials that participated in the elevation of Ceaușescu to the skies, himself being a fumbling buffoon more than anything in reality, incompetent and useless. I do believe that DPRK maintained good relations even when the Ceaușescu government shifted their focus westwards after their falling out with the Soviet bloc, though.

[Comrade Jacob]

From what I've read he was a piece of shit that was an enemy of socialism and got exactly what he deserved.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

There are actually very strong similarities with the DPRK, and like there, it is silly to boil it all down to Ceaușescu as a person. The extent to which he had significant influence is disputable. By and large he seems to have served as a figure-head for the state, a big-brother character, the incarnation of the party, a party that, very early on, already in the late 1950's and early 1960's began to shift sharply towards nationalism and all its repugnant consequences.

Kim Il-sung and a DPRK delegation visited one of the mass-games in Bucharest sometime in the 1960's or early 70's (possibly 1971, unless I am confusing the years), and was so impressed with the personality cult displayed that they set out to imitate forthwith. These games were orchestrated by the party and all sorts of officials that participated in the elevation of Ceaușescu to the skies, himself being a fumbling buffoon more than anything in reality, incompetent and useless. I do believe that DPRK maintained good relations even when the Ceaușescu government shifted their focus westwards after their falling out with the Soviet bloc, though.


This is true.

But this thread is not about the communist party of Romania. It is about Ceaușescu as a person.

Also, while the reverse is also true, claiming that Ceaușescu held no power and was 'incompetent and useless' with regards to political power in Romania is downright absurd.

Here's some pictures of Nicolae hanging out with his filthy ilk.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/1975_Ceausescus_Tokio_Hirohito.jpg

Nicolai and his wife standing with the one and only Hirohito, emperor of fascist Japan.

[MarxEngelsLeninStalinMao]

There are actually very strong similarities with the DPRK, and like there, it is silly to boil it all down to Ceaușescu as a person. The extent to which he had significant influence is disputable. By and large he seems to have served as a figure-head for the state, a big-brother character, the incarnation of the party, a party that, very early on, already in the late 1950's and early 1960's began to shift sharply towards nationalism and all its repugnant consequences.

Kim Il-sung and a DPRK delegation visited one of the mass-games in Bucharest sometime in the 1960's or early 70's (possibly 1971, unless I am confusing the years), and was so impressed with the personality cult displayed that they set out to imitate forthwith. These games were orchestrated by the party and all sorts of officials that participated in the elevation of Ceaușescu to the skies, himself being a fumbling buffoon more than anything in reality, incompetent and useless. I do believe that DPRK maintained good relations even when the Ceaușescu government shifted their focus westwards after their falling out with the Soviet bloc, though.
It was actually Ceaușescu who visited one of the mass-games in North Korea and was impressed with Kim Il Sung's cult of personality, not the other way around.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

This is true.

But this thread is not about the communist party of Romania. It is about Ceaușescu as a person.

Also, while the reverse is also true, claiming that Ceaușescu held no power and was 'incompetent and useless' with regards to political power in Romania is downright absurd.

They cannot be divorced from one-another, the party and Ceausescu. This discussion seems to treat this all as coming out of nowhere except from his personal pathologies, which is silly. It is doubtful that he had many solid political views aside from nationalism, judging by the constant shifts of policy and so on. I'm pretty sure the OP was also referring to him as a historic character, and not whether he was nice to his wife or not. I think the criticisms levied here are preposterously personalising and fail terribly to keep to materialist standards, instead giving in that the personality cult was legitimate and reflected reality, which it did not.

And in case you forget it (because you seem to treat it like something exceptional), but Hirohito was a nevertheless a recognised diplomatic character by that time, and far from the worst imperialist scum that Ceaușescu had a cheerful meeting with.

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What I like was he supported Dubcek and became independent from the USSR.


But when it came to managing the economy, he went nuts.
He took out heavy loans, which he did pay, but he drained the economy by doing this.
Then him and the legistlature vote to make those kind of loans illegal, which he is forced to rely on too many exports.
And, the things being exported are things that Romanians needed to survive.