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Popular Front of Judea
17th October 2013, 00:32
Simon Menners (http://simonmenner.com/) new book Top Secret: Images from the Stasi Archives (http://simonmenner.com/pages/Stasi-Index.htm) examines the vast collection of information and photos once gathered by the East German secret police. While coincidental, the timing couldnt be better as news about the NSA surveillance program continues to dominate headlines.
I had come to realize that the public has very limited access to pictures showing the act of surveillance from the perspective of the surveillant, says Menner, who spent two years pouring through the Stasis archives. We rarely get to see what Big Brother sees.
During the Communist era, East Germany employed 300,000 spies to observe its own citizens; more per capita than any other totalitarian government in recent history. First opened in 1992, the archives of the Stasi contain 1.4 million photographs and over 50 miles of documents (For a comparison of data storage for the Stasi and the NSA, see this graphic (http://apps.opendatacity.de/stasi-vs-nsa/english.html)).
Menners book is organized into several sections that include photographs Stasi agents took while on the job, documentation of their training, and random snapshots whose inclusion are puzzling. Many of the images appear deceptively benign.
The more I look at these photographs, the more terribly normal they appear, says Menner who has selected images that depict unmade beds, a liquor cabinet, and a drawer containing a toy airplane.
These scenes hardly seem like incriminating evidence, but the photographs had a specific purpose. Stasi agents would take Polaroids before searching through someones things in order to put everything back in its place. So if the tangle of sheets on a bed hid correspondence from someone in West Germany, the resident would likely be arrested and imprisoned.
The photographs of the Stasi training exercises are surprisingly humorous because many of the agents look like bumbling spies in a Monty Python sketch. In a section on disguises, men and women don frumpy outfits and wigs to impersonate character types. Others are shown receiving instructions on how to apply fake facial hair, demonstrating secret hand signals, or stiffly practicing arrest and combat techniques with an unintentional campiness.
Menner also selected photographs that seem impossible to explain, like the one of a random guinea pig, or the one of a cat reclining on the floor.
I can understand why an avid amateur photographer takes pictures of a guinea pig. But why does he take these images during a surveillance operation that could alter the lives of others for the worse? And why did these guinea pig images still end up in the archive? he asks.
Other images show a forbidden interest in Western culture, like teenagers bedrooms decorated with Madonna posters or the contents of packages sent from West Germany. Here, items like aluminum foil, Swiss chocolate, or Philadelphia cream cheese are documented as evidence of capitalist sympathies.
While Menners selections often show the Stasi in ridiculous moments, the archives are still a serious matter for former East Germans. Many residents were shocked to discover they had been under surveillance and have found detailed files documenting their daily activities. As of 2011, there was a two-year waiting list to access the archive.
The book, which comes out in the United States at the end of November, was a natural fit with Menners previous work. His earlier projects include a curated series of archival photos from World War I and a portrait series of murder weapons seized by the Berlin Police Department.
The book is already out in Germany, where it is helping to contribute to the ongoing national process of Vergangenheitsbewltigung, or coming to terms with the past.
Counter-revolutionary guinea pig:

http://i.imgur.com/Frjibc2l.jpg

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Blake's Baby
17th October 2013, 09:23
Careful comrade, you're in danger of bringing 'actually existing socialism' in to disrepute by your frivolous anti-proletarian action. I think you're suffering from a dangerous cosmopolitan interest in seeing the truly absurd side of the glorious workers' states.

Radio Spartacus
17th October 2013, 09:43
Halloween is coming up, think I could dig up one of those shady western tourist disguises if I went to Germany?

freecommunist
17th October 2013, 10:53
The one in the big hat looks like vic reeves :grin:

argeiphontes
18th October 2013, 04:40
Maybe they dressed up as tourists just to make people think there were tourists ;)

Red_Banner
18th October 2013, 04:46
The Stasi guys were probably just bored or testing the cameras.

khad
18th October 2013, 06:16
99% of all intel is worthless, and the goal of every operation is to cast a wide net because you never know what might be useful. I don't see anything particularly exceptional about these so-called revelations.

The NSA datamining program rakes in even more massive piles of useless data, but you never see western hipsters like the author of this article characterize that as "absurd."

Here's a lolcat for the NSA.

http://www.masada2000.org/Palestinian-terrorcat.gif

Terror. Bomb. Al-Qaeda. Anthrax. Blah Blah

Halert
18th October 2013, 06:37
Here's a lolcat for the NSA.


equating Palestine to nazi germany. I'm stunned, i didn't expect something like that to be posted on this forum.

khad
18th October 2013, 06:50
equating Palestine to nazi germany. I'm stunned, i didn't expect something like that to be posted on this forum.
Perhaps a 72pt bold, red sarcasm tag would suffice to compensate for your inability to infer the context of a post.

argeiphontes
18th October 2013, 06:56
The NSA datamining program rakes in even more massive piles of useless data, but you never see western hipsters like the author of this article characterize that as "absurd."


Algorithms can be used to mine the vast quantities of data and make associations. Data is only useless if there's no way to process it. NSA has the resources to do it.

Os Cangaceiros
18th October 2013, 09:37
99% of all intel is worthless, and the goal of every operation is to cast a wide net because you never know what might be useful. I don't see anything particularly exceptional about these so-called revelations.

The NSA datamining program rakes in even more massive piles of useless data, but you never see western hipsters like the author of this article characterize that as "absurd."

Survelliance in decades past was more expensive than it is today and required much more manpower. Forces like the US government not only have their own networks to gather intelligence, but they also benefit from a lot of groundwork already laid by corporations (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/opinion/schneier-surveillance-trajectories/index.html), thus making intelligence gathering very cheap and easy compared to the heyday of the Staasi. Thus making this fact:


During the Communist era, East Germany employed 300,000 spies to observe its own citizens; more per capita than any other totalitarian government in recent history. First opened in 1992, the archives of the Stasi contain 1.4 million photographs and over 50 miles of documents

...even more ridiculous and yes, absurd

Magic Carpets Corp.
19th October 2013, 13:28
Thouroughness is the key when it comes to intelligence gathering. Look in the archives of any other intelligence agency and generally 99.999% percent of the crap there is useless.

CyM
20th October 2013, 08:35
Careful comrade, you're in danger of bringing 'actually existing socialism' in to disrepute by your frivolous anti-proletarian action. I think you're suffering from a dangerous cosmopolitan interest in seeing the truly absurd side of the glorious workers' states.

This is the history forum, not chit chat.

This thread had the potential to be a serious discussion about the stasi, and posts like this derailed it. Please don't do that again.

You're a smart member, give us your thoughts about the stasi and the deformed workers' states, and tack a joke on at the end if you want. But don't make a post that is entirely a joke, that contributes nothing.

Blake's Baby
20th October 2013, 13:44
99% of all intel is worthless, and the goal of every operation is to cast a wide net because you never know what might be useful. I don't see anything particularly exceptional about these so-called revelations...

So, you're saying the DDR was just like any other bourgeois capitalist state?


...The NSA datamining program rakes in even more massive piles of useless data, but you never see western hipsters like the author of this article characterize that as "absurd."...

Of course the data the NSA mines is absurd. Who cares about drunken selfies on FB, what my sister-in-law wants for Christmas or how cute somebody's kid looked in the school play?

All of that doesn't mean that this isn't absurd; nor does it mean 1-in-6 people in DDR wasn't spying for state security (a level that would make the Gestapo green with envy).



This is the history forum, not chit chat.

This thread had the potential to be a serious discussion about the stasi, and posts like this derailed it. Please don't do that again.

You're a smart member, give us your thoughts about the stasi and the deformed workers' states, and tack a joke on at the end if you want. But don't make a post that is entirely a joke, that contributes nothing.

You're quite right. Mea culpa. I found the thread through 'New Posts' and hadn't realised it was in the 'History' forum. I shouldn't have assumed it was in essence a joke thread.

Magic Carpets Corp.
20th October 2013, 14:29
So, you're saying the DDR was just like any other bourgeois capitalist state?
So, you're saying your reading comprehension skills leave much to be desired?


Of course the data the NSA mines is absurd. Who cares about drunken selfies on FB, what my sister-in-law wants for Christmas or how cute somebody's kid looked in the school play?

All of that doesn't mean that this isn't absurd; nor does it mean 1-in-6 people in DDR wasn't spying for state security (a level that would make the Gestapo green with envy).
You will have to explain to me why 1-in-6 people stepping up to the plate and working with the state to safeguard their society from pro-capitalist parasites and foreign sabotage is even remotely connected to Nazism, or why it's a bad thing at all.

I'm not sure how 300,000 people as stated in the OP, out of a population of around 16-17 million at the time, amounts to 1-in-6 people, however.

argeiphontes
20th October 2013, 17:01
You will have to explain to me why 1-in-6 people stepping up to the plate and working with the state to safeguard their society from pro-capitalist parasites and foreign sabotage is even remotely connected to Nazism, or why it's a bad thing at all.

Because freedom is a good thing, first of all. Second of all, many of those people were coerced into doing it. Last, but definitely not least (in fact most), if people have to spy on each other to maintain the state, then there is something wrong with the state itself. A real worker's state wouldn't need Stasi to protect it, would it? That's the real reason it reached these heights of absurdity.

I was around when the Berlin wall fell. Everybody loved it, and with good reasons.