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Popular Front of Judea
15th October 2013, 00:37
Today's heresy. Let the denunciation begin.


Congressman Alan Grayson and former congressman Ron Paul are two of the fiercest warriors against an out-of-control Federal Reserve.
Paul has campaigned to dissolve the Fed for 35 years, and wrote an entire book called "End the Fed (http://www.amazon.com/End-The-Fed-Ron-Paul/dp/0446549177/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362804342&sr=8-1&keywords=0446549177)". Grayson has repeatedly (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/09/congressman-grayson-fed-secretly-stuffed-500-billion-into-foreign-private-pockets-and-gave-230-billion-to-citi-as-a-secret-bailout.html) slammed (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/04/congressman-grayson-asks-for-an-investigation-into-federal-reserves-fomc-leak.html) the Fed, and absolutely demolished it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8W6z6xDhMk) ... to its face (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0NYBTkE1yQ). Paul and Grayson also co-sponsored a bill (http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/11/19/paul-grayson-audit-the-fed-bill-passes-financial-services-committee/) to audit the Federal Reserve. (Their desire to rein in the Fed is supported by numerous top economists (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/economists-occupy-and-end-the-fed.html).)
So when the two of them support a Fed-related solution to the "government shutdown" crisis, I listen.
Congressman Grayson writes (http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/10/09/ending-the-debt-limit-crisis-dear-ben-bernanke/):
A simple solution to the impasse is as follows: Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke should simply cancel the Treasury debt that it owns. The government can just forgive the government's debt.

This wouldn't solve the debt problem entirely. The Federal Reserve doesn't own all U.S. government debt; it owns only roughly $2 trillion of it. (Well $2,076,927,000,000.00, as of last Wednesday, but who's counting?)

NPR (http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/10/10/230944425/everyone-the-u-s-government-owes-money-to-in-one-graph) has a helpful graphic showing the various holders of U.S. government debt, including the Fed:



http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/pm-gov_debt_v-624.gif (http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/pm-gov_debt_v-624.gif)Source:NPR (http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/10/10/230944425/everyone-the-u-s-government-owes-money-to-in-one-graph)
Congressman Grayson continues:
Yet canceling this debt would give the government substantial room under the debt ceiling to manage its finances. It would end the debt ceiling standoff in Congress, and it would prevent a default.

The debt held on the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve can be canceled without any significant consequence, because it is a bookkeeping artifact corresponding to the money supply. In essence, the government owes this money to itself. If I owe money to myself, I can cancel that debt at will and without consequence, essentially taking it out of my left pocket and putting it in my right pocket.

Last year, the Federal Reserve declared a "profit" of roughly $91 billion, much of which came from interest payments from the U.S. Treasury. The Federal Reserve then quickly remitted nearly all of this profit right back to the U.S. Treasury.

The Federal Reserve does this every year. Reducing or eliminating this unearned "profit" actually will provide a more realistic view of federal finances.
Grayson gives credit to Paul for coming up with the idea:
I am a Democrat, and known as a progressive. But this idea was put forward a few years ago not by me, or by a member of my party, but by Republican Representative Ron Paul.

He thinks, as do I, that the Federal Reserve's dramatic expansion of its balance sheet is simply a way of financing the government by printing money. The Fed isn't really "buying" Treasury bonds, it is just letting the government finance its deficit by adding to the money supply.
Indeed, Paul introduced a bill (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/174953-rep-paul-introduces-bill-to-cancel-public-debt-held-by-the-fed) in 2011 which would have led to the cancellation of $1.6 trillion in federal debt held by the Fed.
Grayson continues:
While canceling the Treasury debt held on the Federal Reserve balance sheet might be considered unorthodox, it is no more unorthodox than the quantitative easing that has added much of this debt to the Fed's balance sheet.
Indeed, quantitative easing - the radical program the Fed has engaged in for years, which doesn't help the economy (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/06/81-5-of-money-created-through-quantitative-easing-is-sitting-there-gathering-dust-instead-of-helping-the-economy.html), benefits the the super-elite and hurts the little guy (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/12/quantitative-easing-benefits-the-super-elite-and-hurts-the-little-guy-and-the-american-economy.html), and more than offsets any savings from budget cuts in other areas (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/03/fed-spends-as-much-in-a-month-as-the-sequestration-budget-cuts-cost-in-a-year.html) - is largely performed through buying U.S. debt ... $45 billion each month (http://www.cnbc.com/id/101100281).
Grayson concludes:
In any event, preventing a financial meltdown, with its attendant risks of interest rate and price spikes as well as staggering employment losses, is certainly central to the Federal Reserve's mandate of ensuring price stability, maximum employment and moderate, long-term interest rates.

Bernanke could alleviate the debt ceiling crisis simply by canceling the debt held on the Fed's balance sheet.
This may sound like a fringe idea. But the Financial Times noted in an article last year entitled “Will central banks cancel government debt? (http://blogs.ft.com/gavyndavies/2012/10/14/will-central-banks-cancel-government-debt/)”:
It is obvious that governments are struggling to find the correct balance between controlling public debt ... and boosting the rate of economic growth. The former objective requires more budgetary tightening, while the latter requires the opposite. Is there any way around this? One radical option now being discussed is to cancel (or, in polite language, “restructure”) part of the government debt that has been acquired by the central banks as a consequence of quantitative easing (QE). After all, the government and the central bank are both firmly within the public sector, so a consolidated public sector balance sheet would net this debt out entirely.

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Adair Turner, the chairman of the UK Financial Services Agency, and reportedly a candidate to become the next governor of the Bank of England, made a speech (http://www.fsa.gov.uk/library/communication/speeches/2012/1011-at.shtml) last week that said more unorthodox options, including “further integration of different aspects of policy”, might need to be considered in the UK. Two separate journalists (Robert Peston of the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19918332)and Simon Jenkins of The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/09/iconoclast-for-bank-of-england)) said that Lord Turner’s “private view” is that some part of the Bank’s gilts holdings might be cancelled in order to boost the economy. Lord Turner distanced himself (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/10/13/britain-fsa-turner-idUKL5E8LD2QA20121013?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssFinancialServicesAndRealEstateNews) in public from this suggestion on Saturday. However, the notion will now be widely discussed.

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Similar proposals have however been widely debated by economists in the past. This goes back at least as far as the works of Abba Lerner in the 1940s on “functional finance” (http://cas.umkc.edu/economics/people/facultyPages/wray/courses/Econ%20601/readings/lerner%20functional%20finance.pdf) and the role of fiat money. More recently, the Modern Monetary Theorists have reawakened Lerner's ideas.The Fed Could Simply CANCEL $2 Trillion of Government Debt | Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-10-12/fed-could-simply-cancel-2-trillion-government-debt)

cyu
15th October 2013, 01:27
The first debt that should be cancelled is debt owed to the rich. The wealthier they are, the less the poor should be giving them more financial power.

Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist
15th October 2013, 01:36
The first debt that should be cancelled is debt owed to the rich. The wealthier they are, the less the poor should be giving them more financial power.

If this were to happen then the faith in the U.S government to uphold it's debts would collapse, the dollar would probably cease to be the world's reserve currency, and we'd most likely see a situation where no one would lend the government any money unless it was at an extremely high interest rate and had some means of guaranteeing that they will repay the debt, which might result in the government perhaps bargaining with some collateral.

cyu
15th October 2013, 01:54
I'm all for crashing the US dollar, not least of which because the strength of the dollar allows the US to spend so much money on weaponry that fuels capitalist oppression and exploitation around the world.

From http://www.revleft.com/vb/crashing-mediums-exchange-t175288/index2.html

if working people only kept their money in "rallods" and immediately converted any holdings of dollars they had into rallods, what would happen? The amount of dollars floating around the market would shoot up - a massive supply increase affecting the ratio of dollars to actual goods and services - leaving the dollar ever more worthless as more people start dumping dollars - with "value" now being held in "rallods". Of course, real value originates from what working people are willing to accept as payment.

Depends what you replace it with. For example, I could say, let's kick out all politicians and replace them with fascists - and that would indeed cause an unholy amount of pain to everyone. However, I'm sure you'd agree that if they were replaced by people friendlier to leftists, people would be better off.

The same is true of crashing stock markets. If employees seize control of their companies, the stock market is definitely going to crash - it's just a side effect of stocks no longer having their stated purpose. However, would you oppose seizing the means of production simply because it would crash the stock market?

As for replacing the medium of exchange - what we currently have is a wealthy class with vast amounts of economic power - and part of that power (besides resource ownership) derives from them holding more money than everyone else. If you replaced the medium of exchange (which would almost surely crash the old medium of exchange), then that removes another plank from the economic structure that gives capitalists undue power.

Vladimir Innit Lenin
15th October 2013, 17:03
Nevermind that cancelling the debt, and the usurping of the dollar as the world's reserve currency (not bad things taken in isolation), will trigger a chain of events that will lead to another global recession, jobs lost, lives ruined etc.

It's a dangerous strategy played by the republicans - I think they're cutting their nose to spite their face, tbh. If they think that purposely defaulting will just lead to a nice, cosy, balanced budget situation, then I think they're making a mis-calculation that will have grave repercussions not only for the world but for them also. It'll probably cost them the 2016 Presidency and control of the Senate/House for a few years too, so they'll not end up being able to implement such a policy.

And one must also question the laughable state of democracy when a minority grouping, with little popular support, can pretty much push through a policy (balanced budgets) by opposing other policy, with no mandate, and with no regard for the very real social and economic consequences of their actions.

cyu
15th October 2013, 19:11
If there were a successful communist revolution in the United States, would it trigger global recession, jobs lost, and lives ruined?

If not, what would leftists do differently from right-wingers to prevent such things from happening?

Loony Le Fist
15th October 2013, 19:36
It is unbelievable that the monetary system in this country is configured in such a way that we owe money to ourselves. It really is time for some new thought in terms of economics. The debt ceiling and the deficit in generally should be a non-issue.

The Garbage Disposal Unit
15th October 2013, 19:59
Nevermind that cancelling the debt, and the usurping of the dollar as the world's reserve currency (not bad things taken in isolation), will trigger a chain of events that will lead to another global recession, jobs lost, lives ruined etc.

It's a dangerous strategy played by the republicans - I think they're cutting their nose to spite their face, tbh. If they think that purposely defaulting will just lead to a nice, cosy, balanced budget situation, then I think they're making a mis-calculation that will have grave repercussions not only for the world but for them also. It'll probably cost them the 2016 Presidency and control of the Senate/House for a few years too, so they'll not end up being able to implement such a policy.

And one must also question the laughable state of democracy when a minority grouping, with little popular support, can pretty much push through a policy (balanced budgets) by opposing other policy, with no mandate, and with no regard for the very real social and economic consequences of their actions.

The re-emergence of politics - fucking craycray am I right?
It's interesting in that this political crisis seems to come down to the fact that (part of) the Republican Party decided act, in political terms, rather than just "acting" as functionaries/managers. I think it says something interesting about the state of contemporary bourgeois politics that simply acting, even on an ostensibly pro-capitalist basis, is sufficient to throw the whole legislative apparatus (and, as a consequence, potentially everything else) into fucking chaos.

Of course, this is the moment we should probably kick into high gear - sure, the dollar might not crash, and we might not be thrown into mad-hyperinflation, depression, etc. - but, damn, whereas we very well might be, we shouldn't let it catch us on our asses. Time for the cadre to stockpile cigarettes and canned food, practice their footwork, etc. Anyway, I digress.

Back on the topic of the OP, What do y'all think the odds are of the Federal Reserve forgiving the gov't debt? What does the Fed "do" with its money? What would the impact be off of paper? If someone could elaborate on this a bit, I'd really appreciate it.

cyu
16th October 2013, 01:21
The poor owe the rich. That's why the ruling class basically owns the country, and owns the politicians.

Vladimir Innit Lenin
16th October 2013, 18:20
The re-emergence of politics - fucking craycray am I right?
It's interesting in that this political crisis seems to come down to the fact that (part of) the Republican Party decided act, in political terms, rather than just "acting" as functionaries/managers. I think it says something interesting about the state of contemporary bourgeois politics that simply acting, even on an ostensibly pro-capitalist basis, is sufficient to throw the whole legislative apparatus (and, as a consequence, potentially everything else) into fucking chaos.


I would actually say that what we are witnessing is an expression of far-right libertarianism in action. You are right that these tea party republicans have gone beyond their role of political managers of capitalism on behalf of the bourgeoisie, they have gone against the interests of the ruling class, in general, in coming to the brink of shutting down the economy. It's an expression of ideology rather than, as you say, managing capital.